Sick Fucks: Philly Police grab black toddler from SUV after destroying vehicle and injuring mom and cousin for no reason, use photo as propaganda

[Jarhyn]

If the cop has a tool that would create the evidence that would exonerate then and doesn't use it, or even intentionally deactivated it, then they get no exoneration. Duh.

This.

"She didn't report it"
"He didn't file charges"
"She should have told someone"
"You have no proof"
"Why didn't they just call 911?"


Yeah. Sauce for goose, sauce for gander.
If cops want to be exonerated, they should have their cameras on all the time.
It's so easy.

Like, they just have to not plan for the camera to "fail" or "be off".

That's all.

Can we expect them to use a working measure of accountability?

 

[Harry Bosch]

actively recruit grown up humans with consciences.

Why would such a person apply to be an American police officer, though?

Why wouldn't a person apply to be an American police officer? Are you kidding? It's a great job. Great pay. Beloved and adored by the public. And one of the safest jobs in America. Long hours. Who wouldn't want to be a cop today?

 

[Harry Bosch]

Yes, that's the poimnt - you may remember the fake "poisoned cops" thing, or the bizarrely-shaped tampon in the Starbucks coffee.



I haven't noted this in any serious protest - mostly because the protests are generally sparked by either a shooting, or a mass police crackdown on random people. It's usually the violent police crackdown that leads to people fighting back - at which point police suddenly pull back and let various random people burn things and loot.

You know, bodycameras are a great way to address the entirely nonsensical and implausible scenario being described in that quote: if the cop isn't wearing one or it wasn't on to record, the cop can be considered guilty of lying. Problem solved. That way, there's evidence when the implausible "resisting" happens.

If the cop has a tool that would create the evidence that would exonerate then and doesn't use it, or even intentionally deactivated it, then they get no exoneration. Duh.

For the record, the first thing I thought when I heard about bodycams was "I wonder how long the back-buffer on the bodycam is?"

Then I found out that most of them don't even have the feature of a back-buffer, a feature every action cam since action cams have been a thing already implement.

They are designed for failure

Edit: Hey Repoman, what are your thoughts on that? How far are you willing to bend over backwards to justify idemnification of cops who could be vindicated if not for their own incompetence, malfeasance, or engineered failure?

I think that any cop who turns off his/her body camera should be automatically fired and not trusted in the courts.

 

[Toni]

Just like cops' fantasies that suspects are resisting arrest, your supposition that suspects arrest to become internet famous are just that: fantasies.

We try not to kink shame here.

All well and good until people get hurt in real life.

Hint: people are getting hurt in real life.

 

[Swammerdami]

... Why wouldn't a person apply to be an American police officer? Are you kidding? ... [It's] one of the safest jobs in America.

I'll guess you're being sarcastic, but the idea that LEO is a particularly dangerous job is a myth.

The following list of the 20 most dangerous jobs in U.S.A. can be found at several websites. Even farmers make this top 20 List, but police officers do not.

1. Logging workers
Fatal injury rate: 109.3 per 100,000 workers
Total deaths (2017): 55
Salary: $38,840
Most common fatal accidents: Contact with objects and equipment

2. Fishers and related fishing workers
Fatal injury rate: 74.2 per 100,000 workers
Total deaths (2017): 41
Salary: $28,310
Most common fatal accidents: Transportation incidents

3. Sailors and marine oilers
Fatal injury rate: 55.1 per 100,000 workers
Total deaths (2017): 9
Salary: $40,730
Most common fatal accidents: Transportation incidents

4. Aircraft pilots and flight engineers
Fatal injury rate: 50.4 per 100,000 workers
Total deaths (2017): 59
Salary: $111,930
Most common fatal accidents: Transportation incidents

5. Paving, surfacing, and tamping equipment operators
Fatal injury rate: 46.7 per 100,000 workers
Total deaths (2017): 12
Salary: $39,120
Most common fatal accidents: Transportation incidents

6. Dredge, excavating, and loading machine operators
Fatal injury rate: 42.4 per 100,000 workers
Total deaths (2017): 13
Salary: $42,950
Most common fatal accidents: Contact with objects and equipment

7. Derrick, rotary drill, and service unit operators, oil, gas, and mining
Fatal injury rate: 40.1 per 100,000 workers
Total deaths (2017): 10
Salary: $49,000
Most common fatal accidents: Transportation incidents

8. Other transportation workers
Fatal injury rate: 39.2 per 100,000 workers
Total deaths (2017): 8
Salary: $24,480
Most common fatal accidents: Transportation incidents

9. Roofers
Fatal injury rate: 39.0 per 100,000 workers
Total deaths (2017): 91
Salary: $38,970
Most common fatal accidents: Falls, slips, trips

10. Maintenance workers, machinery
Fatal injury rate: 37.4 per 100,000 workers
Total deaths (2017): 9
Salary: $45,540
Most common fatal accidents: Contact with objects and equipment

11. Woodworking machine setters, operators, and tenders
Fatal injury rate: 35.9 per 100,000 workers
Total deaths (2017): 6
Salary: $29,100
Most common fatal accidents: Contact with objects and equipment

12. Septic tank servicers and sewer pipe cleaners
Fatal injury rate: 34.3 per 100,000 workers
Total deaths (2017): 0
Salary: $37,950
Most common fatal accidents: Contact with objects and equipment

13. Refuse and recyclable material collectors
Fatal injury rate: 31.9 per 100,000 workers
Total deaths (2017): 30
Salary: $36,160
Most common fatal accidents: Transportation incidents

14. Structural iron and steel workers
Fatal injury rate: 28.0 per 100,000 workers
Total deaths (2017): 14
Salary: $52,610
Most common fatal accidents: Falls, slips, trips

15. Driver/sales workers and truck drivers
Fatal injury rate: 26.0 per 100,000 workers
Total deaths (2017): 987
Salary: $37,610
Most common fatal accidents: Transportation incidents

16. Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers
Fatal injury rate: 25.6 per 100,000 workers
Total deaths (2017): 258
Salary: $69,620
Most common fatal accidents: Transportation incidents

17. Rail-track laying and maintenance equipment operators
Fatal injury rate: 25.4 per 100,000 workers
Total deaths (2017): 3
Salary: $56,060

18. Reinforcing iron and rebar workers
Fatal injury rate: 25 per 100,000 workers
Total deaths (2017): 3
Salary: $46,850

19. Riggers
Fatal injury rate: 24.4 per 100,000 workers
Total deaths (2017): 1
Salary: $48,580

20. First-line supervisors of farming, fishing, and forestry workers
Fatal injury rate: 23.1 per 100,000 workers
Total deaths (2017): 11
Salary: $46,570
Most common fatal accidents: Transportation incidents

[1] U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries
[2] U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics Current Population Survey
[3] U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics Occupational Employment Statistics Survey

I was surprised that farmer/ranchers is a more dangerous job than police so did my own Googling, and arithmetic. In the recent year there were 700,000 police and 89 fatalities (almost half accidental) so, Yes, their fatality rate is only half that of farmer/ranchers.

 

[Politesse]

actively recruit grown up humans with consciences.

Why would such a person apply to be an American police officer, though?

Why wouldn't a person apply to be an American police officer? Are you kidding? It's a great job. Great pay. Beloved and adored by the public. And one of the safest jobs in America. Long hours. Who wouldn't want to be a cop today?

Sane?

We really shit on our public servants in this country, regardless of type.

 

[Angry Floof]

Why wouldn't a person apply to be an American police officer? Are you kidding? It's a great job. Great pay. Beloved and adored by the public. And one of the safest jobs in America. Long hours. Who wouldn't want to be a cop today?

Sane?

We really shit on our public servants in this country, regardless of type.

If only bootlicking authority worshipers could tell the difference between "shitting on" and "holding accountable," we might not have police shooting black people for sport or be one of the top countries in the world in terms of police brutality.

 

[Politesse]

Why wouldn't a person apply to be an American police officer? Are you kidding? It's a great job. Great pay. Beloved and adored by the public. And one of the safest jobs in America. Long hours. Who wouldn't want to be a cop today?

Sane?

We really shit on our public servants in this country, regardless of type.

If only bootlicking authority worshipers could tell the difference between "shitting on" and "holding accountable," we might not have police shooting black people for sport or be one of the top countries in the world in terms of police brutality.

Well, I certainly did not mean to excuse that sort of behavior. But then, maybe the police would be less of a Nazi death cult if the job itself were more desirable.

 

[Angry Floof]

If only bootlicking authority worshipers could tell the difference between "shitting on" and "holding accountable," we might not have police shooting black people for sport or be one of the top countries in the world in terms of police brutality.

Well, I certainly did not mean to excuse that sort of behavior. But then, maybe the police would be less of a Nazi death cult if the job itself were more desirable.

That's the lamest excuse I've heard so far.

What is undesirable about the job? Yes, it's stressful, but everyone knows that going in. Few people start out with a rabid fear and hatred of the public. Maybe some do, but that is generally trained and conditioned into them after they sign up.

This is not an uncommon story:

How Law Enforcement Taught Me To Dehumanize.

 

[Jarhyn]

If only bootlicking authority worshipers could tell the difference between "shitting on" and "holding accountable," we might not have police shooting black people for sport or be one of the top countries in the world in terms of police brutality.

Well, I certainly did not mean to excuse that sort of behavior. But then, maybe the police would be less of a Nazi death cult if the job itself were more desirable.

To be clear, after the military, I would have joined the police if not for the whole Nazi death cult thing. I would have shot a Nazi death cultist. I know this. So I am not a police officer.

The Nazi death cultists make the job no desirable to the people who are not death cultists nor nazis.

 

[Politesse]

If only bootlicking authority worshipers could tell the difference between "shitting on" and "holding accountable," we might not have police shooting black people for sport or be one of the top countries in the world in terms of police brutality.

Well, I certainly did not mean to excuse that sort of behavior. But then, maybe the police would be less of a Nazi death cult if the job itself were more desirable.

That's the lamest excuse I've heard so far.

What is undesirable about the job? Yes, it's stressful, but everyone knows that going in. Few people start out with a rabid fear and hatred of the public. Maybe some do, but that is generally trained and conditioned into them after they sign up.

This is not an uncommon story:

How Law Enforcement Taught Me To Dehumanize.

It's dangerous, ill-compensated, and while there are still a few good departments out there, the odds are still pretty good that you'll be working for the fucking Nazis. I'm baffled as to how you think your argument makes sense,saying on the one hand that the job is great, and on the other that you get brainwashed upon arrival. I am uninterested in surrendering either my brain or my conscience, thank you.

 

[Angry Floof]

That's the lamest excuse I've heard so far.

What is undesirable about the job? Yes, it's stressful, but everyone knows that going in. Few people start out with a rabid fear and hatred of the public. Maybe some do, but that is generally trained and conditioned into them after they sign up.

This is not an uncommon story:

How Law Enforcement Taught Me To Dehumanize.

It's dangerous, ill-compensated, and while there are still a few good departments out there, the odds are still pretty good that you'll be working for the fucking Nazis. I'm baffled as to how you think your argument makes sense,saying on the one hand that the job is great, and on the other that you get brainwashed upon arrival. I am uninterested in surrendering either my brain or my conscience, thank you.

I think there is some nuance that you are missing. In our culture, cops are generally revered, respected, and hailed as heroes. To tell the truth about police and their training is to counter that status quo.

Again, I do believe that while police work attracts certain aggressive, insecure morons, by and large people go into law enforcement with better motivations than to gain power over others. Then training and police culture begin their work to turn cops into aggressive, us vs. them, arrogant shits with badges, weapons, and that status quo myth that they are heroes.

Listen to the video.

 

[Politesse]

That's the lamest excuse I've heard so far.

What is undesirable about the job? Yes, it's stressful, but everyone knows that going in. Few people start out with a rabid fear and hatred of the public. Maybe some do, but that is generally trained and conditioned into them after they sign up.

This is not an uncommon story:

How Law Enforcement Taught Me To Dehumanize.

It's dangerous, ill-compensated, and while there are still a few good departments out there, the odds are still pretty good that you'll be working for the fucking Nazis. I'm baffled as to how you think your argument makes sense,saying on the one hand that the job is great, and on the other that you get brainwashed upon arrival. I am uninterested in surrendering either my brain or my conscience, thank you.

I think there is some nuance that you are missing. In our culture, cops are generally revered, respected, and hailed as heroes. To tell the truth about police and their training is to counter that status quo.

Again, I do believe that while police work attracts certain aggressive, insecure morons, by and large people go into law enforcement with better motivations than to gain power over others. Then training and police culture begin their work to turn cops into aggressive, us vs. them, arrogant shits with badges, weapons, and that status quo myth that they are heroes.

Listen to the video.

Who is "our"? I didn't grow up with any delusions about what the police were or what they were for, we always knew not to call the sherriff's unless it was very serious, because they would cause more violence than they resolved if they showed up at all.

 

[Angry Floof]

I think there is some nuance that you are missing. In our culture, cops are generally revered, respected, and hailed as heroes. To tell the truth about police and their training is to counter that status quo.

Again, I do believe that while police work attracts certain aggressive, insecure morons, by and large people go into law enforcement with better motivations than to gain power over others. Then training and police culture begin their work to turn cops into aggressive, us vs. them, arrogant shits with badges, weapons, and that status quo myth that they are heroes.

Listen to the video.

Who is "our"? I didn't grow up with any delusions about what the police were or what they were for, we always knew not to call the sherriff's unless it was very serious, because they would cause more violence than they resolved if they showed up at all.

Our culture = US culture. Now address what I actually wrote or stop responding. Thanks.

 

[ronburgundy]

I think that cops have a perverse incentive to let looting go on. It makes their side look more moral in comparison.

See the people protesting us are criminals.

A related reason they want to the looting to be unabated is that is makes people afraid, and when people are afraid they support authoritarian brutality to restore "order." That's why the GOP is using video of "riots" in the ad campaigns to re-elect a fascist, and why Trump warns white suburban parents about the evil "elements" that will invade their neighborhood under Biden, and why white supremacists have actually instigated much of the violence and looting.

 

[J842P]

Why wouldn't a person apply to be an American police officer? Are you kidding? It's a great job. Great pay. Beloved and adored by the public. And one of the safest jobs in America. Long hours. Who wouldn't want to be a cop today?

Sane?

We really shit on our public servants in this country, regardless of type.

If only bootlicking authority worshipers could tell the difference between "shitting on" and "holding accountable," we might not have police shooting black people for sport or be one of the top countries in the world in terms of police brutality.

Police do not shoot black people for sport.

 

[Angry Floof]

If only bootlicking authority worshipers could tell the difference between "shitting on" and "holding accountable," we might not have police shooting black people for sport or be one of the top countries in the world in terms of police brutality.

Police do not shoot black people for sport.

They might as well. But instead of getting defensive on behalf of corrupt police, maybe you could lend your voice in holding them accountable.

 

[Jarhyn]

If only bootlicking authority worshipers could tell the difference between "shitting on" and "holding accountable," we might not have police shooting black people for sport or be one of the top countries in the world in terms of police brutality.

Police do not shoot black people for sport.

They might as well. But instead of getting defensive on behalf of corrupt police, maybe you could lend your voice in holding them accountable.

I think more of the issue is that, given the murder cult that is "The Executioners", is that police ARE shooting people for sport.

 

[Politesse]

If only bootlicking authority worshipers could tell the difference between "shitting on" and "holding accountable," we might not have police shooting black people for sport or be one of the top countries in the world in terms of police brutality.

Police do not shoot black people for sport.

Oh, bullshit. When you're bending stars to brag to other officers about your number of "kills", you've crossed the line into sport whether or not the killing was otherwise justified. A big game hunter may claim that he only kills rogue elephants, but if their heads are mounted in his parlor it's hard to make the case that he isn't a sportsman too.

 

[Politesse]

That's the lamest excuse I've heard so far.

What is undesirable about the job? Yes, it's stressful, but everyone knows that going in. Few people start out with a rabid fear and hatred of the public. Maybe some do, but that is generally trained and conditioned into them after they sign up.

This is not an uncommon story:

How Law Enforcement Taught Me To Dehumanize.

It's dangerous, ill-compensated, and while there are still a few good departments out there, the odds are still pretty good that you'll be working for the fucking Nazis. I'm baffled as to how you think your argument makes sense,saying on the one hand that the job is great, and on the other that you get brainwashed upon arrival. I am uninterested in surrendering either my brain or my conscience, thank you.

I think there is some nuance that you are missing. In our culture, cops are generally revered, respected, and hailed as heroes. To tell the truth about police and their training is to counter that status quo.

Again, I do believe that while police work attracts certain aggressive, insecure morons, by and large people go into law enforcement with better motivations than to gain power over others. Then training and police culture begin their work to turn cops into aggressive, us vs. them, arrogant shits with badges, weapons, and that status quo myth that they are heroes.

Listen to the video.

I'm well aware of the brainwashing program. It doesn't justify a thing, especially since it's other cops that build up that culture in the first place.

Our culture = US culture. Now address what I actually wrote or stop responding. Thanks.

Ironic comment. I am also an American, but I guess you speak for all of us, so my disagreeing with you constitutes "not addressing your post". I didn't vote you in as ambassador, but can I vote you out?