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Solar roadways, the reality

Several as in one or two. link

Seemed more people saw issues than pay off benefits.
 
Remember how several on here were thinking this was a great idea and a few of us pointed out it wasn't going to work? The results are in:

http://jalopnik.com/that-fancy-new-solar-bike-path-in-amsterdam-is-utter-bu-1708232432

They spent $3.82 million. They get $720/year in power from it.

This is based on simply incorrect facts. There's a couple of things seriously wrong with the OP's logic:

Point 1)

The 3 million+ figure gets thrown around a lot by detractors, and used to argue that the cost-to-benefit ratio isn't there.

There's just one problem with this line of logic; the 3 million dollar figure isn't what the road costs to build; it's just the money they raised for doing the R&D. In fact, building the test road has eaten up only a small portion of that budget. It's like a company raising a 100 million dollars to develop a new consumer computer, having them build a prototype, and then people dismissing it on the grounds that nobody would buy a computer that costs a 100 million dollars to make. It's absurd logic.

Point 2)

Op title talks about Solar Roadways; then links to an article about SolaRoad. These are two different projects. Solar Roadways is an American company while SolaRoad is the name of a Dutch research project undertaken by a consortium of partners including the highly regarded independent applied science institute TNO, and Imtech (a corporate technical services giant), which are hardly entities to waste time and money on something that's scientifically suspect and economically worthless. If you're going to make sweeping statements on a topic, at least do the basic research necessary so you don't embarrass yourself by mixing such basic things up.

Point 3)

The amount of power generated by the SolaRoad has actually been well above the expected for the pilot program; which is significant when one keeps in mind that prior to the pilot program the consortium's feasibility studies already showed that if put into full-scale production a stretch of road would earn back its cost in 20 years; and that said feasibility study did not include the effects of an *optimized* production and maintenance cycle in driving initial costs down.


Conclusion: Detractors are peddling a foregone conclusion that is not supported by evidence.
 
A solar cycle path and/or footpath might be a really good idea; but I don't see how you can ever get past the fact that splitting the two functions is always an even better idea.

A path that doesn't generate power is never going to be more expensive to build or maintain, nor less effective at being a path or cycle way, than one that does generate power.

A solar array that doesn't act as a thoroughfare is never going to be more expensive to build or maintain, nor less efficient as a power source, than one that does also serve as a roadway.

By building an ordinary path, and then building an ordinary solar array above that path, you will always end up with a road that is no more expensive and no less useful; and a solar array that is no more expensive and no less efficient, than you could have achieved by combining the two functions in one surface.

Add to that the benefits of having protection for users of the path/cycle way/roadway from the rain and/or sun provided by the solar power structure overhead, and it is a no-brainer. The best solution is a two level structure, with solar arrays above the roadway. It will always be at least as cheap and at least as efficient - and right now, far more so on both counts.

Solar cells don't make a good road surface (when compared with tough and cheap materials), and road surfaces don't make for good solar arrays (when compared with structures specifically designed to capture the sun's rays).
 
Anyone know what the power losses are projected to be when the Solar Roadway is covered by traffic?
 
The French are going to build 1,000 kilometers of solar roadways.

http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Solar-Energy/France-To-Build-621-Miles-Of-Solar-Roads.html

The project is called the Wattway and is going to be a collaboration between French road builder Colas and the National Institute of Solar Energy. The remarkable thing about the project is that the 1,000 km of road will be paved with solar panels embedded into the road itself. The panels are about a quarter of an inch thick and supposed to be able to withstand highway traffic without making roads more slippery.
 
1,000 kilometers? Wouldn't it be better to start slowly and do 10 kilometers? My questions are as such, what is the lifetime of a cell, are they exchangeable, can they be lifted temporarily to do road work?

Allegedly 21 m^2 can power a home. That is about the length of some driveways, so that doesn't sound right. If this stuff works, they should concentrate less on roadways, and more on sidewalks and parking lots. Much less wear from traffic. Obviously parked cars would block some, but you still have the access ways.

I'm curious how the power transfers to a transmission line.
 
Solar roadways are IMO a very silly idea. Solar canopies make MUCH more sense. They don't have vehicles traveling over them, and it's easy to slant them to let rain and snow fall off of them. In fact, one can orient them to make them face the Sun, improving their performance.

Thunderf00t:
Solar FREAKIN Roadways, are they real? - YouTube
Solar Roadways, IMPORTANT QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS! - YouTube
Solar Roadways, a VERY expensive joke? - YouTube
Solar Roadways: Busted! - YouTube
The stupidity that just won't die! Solar Cycleways and other snake oil!! - YouTube

The EEVblogger:
EEVblog #632 - Solar Roadways Are BULLSHIT! - YouTube
EEVblog #681 - More Solar Roadways BULLSHIT! - YouTube
EEVblog #743 - Solar Roadways Test Results - YouTube

The last one finds that Holland's solar cycleway produces only about half the electricity that a comparable rooftop-solar system does.
 
Solar roadways are IMO a very silly idea. Solar canopies make MUCH more sense. They don't have vehicles traveling over them, and it's easy to slant them to let rain and snow fall off of them. In fact, one can orient them to make them face the Sun, improving their performance.

Thunderf00t:
Solar FREAKIN Roadways, are they real? - YouTube
Solar Roadways, IMPORTANT QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS! - YouTube
Solar Roadways, a VERY expensive joke? - YouTube
Solar Roadways: Busted! - YouTube
The stupidity that just won't die! Solar Cycleways and other snake oil!! - YouTube

The EEVblogger:
EEVblog #632 - Solar Roadways Are BULLSHIT! - YouTube
EEVblog #681 - More Solar Roadways BULLSHIT! - YouTube
EEVblog #743 - Solar Roadways Test Results - YouTube

The last one finds that Holland's solar cycleway produces only about half the electricity that a comparable rooftop-solar system does.

Good points. Roads in general are a good idea because it's not like you're going to kill any plants by blocking out the sun, and without solar paneling, all that sunlight is going to be converted into heat by the road itself. But I agree, canopies sound a lot more cost effective than roads. We can all plainly see how often roads need to be resurfaced and repaired.
 
Solar roadways are IMO a very silly idea. Solar canopies make MUCH more sense. They don't have vehicles traveling over them, and it's easy to slant them to let rain and snow fall off of them. In fact, one can orient them to make them face the Sun, improving their performance.

Thunderf00t:
Solar FREAKIN Roadways, are they real? - YouTube
Solar Roadways, IMPORTANT QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS! - YouTube
Solar Roadways, a VERY expensive joke? - YouTube
Solar Roadways: Busted! - YouTube
The stupidity that just won't die! Solar Cycleways and other snake oil!! - YouTube

The EEVblogger:
EEVblog #632 - Solar Roadways Are BULLSHIT! - YouTube
EEVblog #681 - More Solar Roadways BULLSHIT! - YouTube
EEVblog #743 - Solar Roadways Test Results - YouTube

The last one finds that Holland's solar cycleway produces only about half the electricity that a comparable rooftop-solar system does.

Good points. Roads in general are a good idea because it's not like you're going to kill any plants by blocking out the sun, and without solar paneling, all that sunlight is going to be converted into heat by the road itself. But I agree, canopies sound a lot more cost effective than roads. We can all plainly see how often roads need to be resurfaced and repaired.

The advantages of canopies are far more than just the lower cost; With a canopy above the roadway, you protect road users from rain and snow; and you shade the road, reducing glare (particularly in the very hazardous case where the sun is low, and directly ahead of the driver) - The road becomes more comfortable and safer to drive on. You also protect the road surface itself, reducing the frequency with which it must be replaced, as much of the damage to roadways is due to water, heat and frost, all of which are lessened by the shade effect of the canopy.

I cannot think of a single application for a solar roadway where the objectives could not be more cheaply and more effectively achieved by canopies; But I can think of a number of distinct advantages of canopies that solar roadways do not have.

Just about the only drawback to a solar canopy is that it limits the road to use by vehicles that are of standard height (or lower) - if an abnormally high load needs to be transported, the canopy would need to be removed to allow it passage. Assuming that the canopy is designed to accommodate the maximum allowable standard vehicle heights (in Australia, 4.6 metres for car and cattle transporters, 4.4 metres for double decker buses, and 4.3 metres for all other vehicles), that should be a rare occurrence.
 
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