Suspect of murdering Racist shot dead by Marshals

[Jimmy Higgins]

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A team of law enforcement officers fatally shot a man suspected of being the gunman who killed a supporter of a right-wing group in Portland, Oregon, last week after a caravan of Donald Trump backers rode through downtown, the U.S. Marshals Service said Friday

Michael Forest Reinoehl, 48, was killed as a federal task force attempted to apprehend him near Lacey, Washington, about 120 miles (193 kilometers) north of Portland. Reinoehl was suspected in the killing of 39-year-old Aaron “Jay” Danielson, who was shot in the chest Saturday night, a senior Justice Department official told The Associated Press.

Who the fuck knows what happened in Lacey.

Portland Police Chief Chuck Lovell also has denounced protesters who broke windows and set a fire this week to a business in the upscale apartment building where Mayor Ted Wheeler lives. Protesters are angry that Wheeler has not stopped officers from using batons and tear gas against Black Lives Matter protesters. Wheeler now reportedly plans to move out of the building.

So I start getting this Soccer feeling. You know, when your team goes abroad in Europe for Europa League or Champions League. And there are always these outbreaks of violence. It is as if, people pretend to give a fuck about football to go abroad and get into fights.

Enough with the protests at night! It seems fewer people legitimately protest at night. Yes, there are people that work and can't protest during the day, but those people would need to go home before #violence. It'd be nice if the legit protesters kept to certain hours, so the hooligans could be properly arrested.

 

[southernhybrid]

I read this morning that 93% of the protests in the entire US over the last 6 months have been completely nonviolent. It's a very small number of extremists on both sides who have caused the chaos and violence.

And, when Trump sent in the feds, it just made matters a lot worse. In fact, the ACLU has a big law suit against many of the police, both local and federal, for their illegal actions. I"m talking about things like shoving people into unmarked cars, for no apparent reason, and not being told what they were being arrested for. They also mentioned the usage of rubber bullets and other weapons that in some cases caused serous injuries, etc. Some days it really seems as if we are on the verge of a police state. I'm not saying it's the same all over the country, but at least partly thanks to dear leader, the police have often gone way overboard in how they react to citizens who are simply exercising their rights. After all, it was Trump who told the police to rough up suspects....

I read about the guy in the OP early this morning. He apparently meant well, but he sure was over the top. He considered himself a protector and apparently some of the BLM leaders embraced efforts to protect them. He claimed that he was defending someone when he shot the MAGA guy. Who the fuck knows what any of these people were really thinking? It just seems to me as a small percentage of people have gone way over the top, regardless of their intentions.

 

[Elixir]

I think they should just start shooting anyone who looks like this:

 

[ruby sparks]

I think they should just start shooting anyone who looks like this:

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That's never gonna happen. They're all white.

 

[Derec]

I think they should just start shooting anyone who looks like [a white guy]

Pretty racist, especially given that you have to cherry-pick especially sensationalized shootings and ignore the statistics that say that blacks in the US are 5-6 times more likely to kill somebody than whites. And given that one of these people has a pretty good self defense claim since he was assaulted by the Krauts of the Antifaschistische Aktion.

 

[Derec]

They're all white.

That's his racist point. He is cherry-picking white shooters. Ignoring people who look like this, just for example.


If you are curious about the case:
Teen brothers enter plea in gas station murder case

 

[repoman]

newnation.org is the flipside of this focusing only on blacks that commit crimes.

 

[Derec]

I read this morning that 93% of the protests in the entire US over the last 6 months have been completely nonviolent. It's a very small number of extremists on both sides who have caused the chaos and violence.

A relatively small number of people can cause a lot of destruction.

And, when Trump sent in the feds, it just made matters a lot worse.

I think primary blame should be placed on the milquetoast mayor Ted Wheeler who doesn't want to crack down on rioting that has been going on in Portland for ~100 days now. Kate Brown too, since she could have sent the Oregon National Guard in.

In fact, the ACLU has a big law suit against many of the police, both local and federal, for their illegal actions.

I think ACLU has jumped the shark lately. They even attack police for a police officer shooting an armed thug who was running toward him.

They also mentioned the usage of rubber bullets and other weapons that in some cases caused serous injuries, etc.

Rioters throwing projectiles at police is fine, eh? But police is not supposed to use any riot control methods like rubber bullets, tear gas or the ultrasonic weapons and the active denial system?

Some days it really seems as if we are on the verge of a police state. I'm not saying it's the same all over the country, but at least partly thanks to dear leader, the police have often gone way overboard in how they react to citizens who are simply exercising their rights. After all, it was Trump who told the police to rough up suspects....

On the contrary, I think police have been hamstrung in many of the cities are were not allowed to effectively dealing with the rioting.
In Portland (or Multnomah County more precisely) the left-wing DA won't even prosecute left-wingers whom the police arrest for a variety of offenses, including rioting.
Multnomah County DA: Most Portland Protesters Won't Face Charges, Deserve To Be Heard
That is part of the reason why this bullshit is going on and on in Portland with no signs of abating. There needs to be a crackdown.

 

[Trausti]

What evidence is there that the victim was a racist?

 

[J842P]

That's never gonna happen. They're all white.

Here you go, a good example of exactly such a person getting killed:

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBUUx0jUKxc&t=2s&has_verified=1&bpctr=1599802982[/YOUTUBE]

But sure, continue carrying water for an idiotic narrative. I'm sure opening the door to pointing out the racial makeup of white shooters in the US will end well.

 

[barbos]

I think they should just start shooting anyone who looks like this:

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I am glad I don't wear glasses.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I read this morning that 93% of the protests in the entire US over the last 6 months have been completely nonviolent. It's a very small number of extremists on both sides who have caused the chaos and violence.

It just feels like when a black guy gets shot by the police, you have two small independent groups of people that get up, go to the closet, grab their rioting supplies and get in the car. It is like Pavlov's bell. They just start drooling over going to over to wherever to destroy or burn stuff.

I think they should just start shooting anyone who looks like this:

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I would note that isn't remotely on topic. The OP isn't about murder, it is about protest hooliganism that occurs using the protest as cover. Just like football hooligan overseas, where people use football to justify getting in fights.

 

[SimpleDon]

A relatively small number of people can cause a lot of destruction.


I think primary blame should be placed on the milquetoast mayor Ted Wheeler who doesn't want to crack down on rioting that has been going on in Portland for ~100 days now. Kate Brown too, since she could have sent the Oregon National Guard in.

In fact, the ACLU has a big law suit against many of the police, both local and federal, for their illegal actions.

I think ACLU has jumped the shark lately. They even attack police for a police officer shooting an armed thug who was running toward him.

They also mentioned the usage of rubber bullets and other weapons that in some cases caused serous injuries, etc.

Rioters throwing projectiles at police is fine, eh? But police is not supposed to use any riot control methods like rubber bullets, tear gas or the ultrasonic weapons and the active denial system?

Some days it really seems as if we are on the verge of a police state. I'm not saying it's the same all over the country, but at least partly thanks to dear leader, the police have often gone way overboard in how they react to citizens who are simply exercising their rights. After all, it was Trump who told the police to rough up suspects....

On the contrary, I think police have been hamstrung in many of the cities are were not allowed to effectively dealing with the rioting.
In Portland (or Multnomah County more precisely) the left-wing DA won't even prosecute left-wingers whom the police arrest for a variety of offenses, including rioting.
Multnomah County DA: Most Portland Protesters Won't Face Charges, Deserve To Be Heard
That is part of the reason why this bullshit is going on and on in Portland with no signs of abating. There needs to be a crackdown.

Why do you think that the BLM exists? Do you believe that they have few legitimate grounds for their protests? That they don't deserve to be heard?

Do you think that the cities run by Republican mayors in Republican-run states who presumably do crackdown with the police have a lower rate of violence or fewer demonstrations? Say Tulsa or Fort Worth? If the mayor of Portland and the governor of Oregon hamstringing the police are the reasons for the demonstrations and the violence in Portland we should expect that the Republican-run cities would be substantially free of both wouldn't we?

 

[Derec]

Why do you think that the BLM exists?

It exists because two trained Marxists founded it.

Do you believe that they have few legitimate grounds for their protests?

Generally speaking, no. The first big case #BLM was "peacefully protesting" (by doing things like burning down a QT in Ferguson and several other businesses) was the killing of Michael "Gentle Giant" Brown, who robbed a convenience store and then attacked a police officer. #BLM promulgated a lot of lies such as that he was "killed for walking down the street", that there was no robbery based on creatively edited footage or that he had his hands up in surrender.

In general they lie a lot about the cases they are protesting. Remember when they claimed that guy in Charlotte did not have a gun but a book and then it turned out he had a gun?

But that's not even the fundamental flaw with the movement. People of all cases get shot by police. And vast majority of police shootings are justified, including shootings of blacks. But #BLM only cares about the skin color of the dead guy, not the circumstances. They have made the issue of police shootings a racial one, which it isn't. Therefore, I do not think they have a point.

That is not to say that there aren't times when police are acting inappropriately, or even criminally. But focus should be on such cases only - #BLM dillutes their message by for example protesting for Patrick Kimmons or Deon Kay, two armed gang-members. And we should all be working together on behalf of ALL legitimate victims, regardless of race.

That they don't deserve to be heard?

No, they do not. People and groups have the right to voice their opinion. They do not have the right to force anybody to listen to them.
So tactics such as blocking highways or invading restaurants and trying to force people to pledge support for #BLM are illegitimate. And of course, tactics such as looting, rioting, burning down buildings are completely beyond the pale.

Do you think that the cities run by Republican mayors in Republican-run states who presumably do crackdown with the police have a lower rate of violence or fewer demonstrations? Say Tulsa or Fort Worth?

I think that is the case. Suely Tulsa is not having 100+ consecutive days of #BLM and Antifa raging all over town like in Portland. Fort Worth is not having leftist extremists occupying part of the city as happened in Seattle and to a lesser degree in Atlanta.

 

[ZiprHead]

Police shot Portland slaying suspect without warning or trying to arrest him first, witness says

When police last week surrounded Michael Forest Reinoehl, a self-described anti-fascist suspected of fatally shooting a member of a far-right group in Portland, Ore., the wanted man wasn’t obviously armed, a witness to the scene said Wednesday.

In fact, according to Nate Dinguss, Reinoehl was clutching a cellphone and eating a gummy worm as he walked to his car outside an apartment complex in Lacey, Wash. That’s when officers opened fire without first announcing themselves or trying to arrest him, Dinguss, a 39-year-old who lives in the apartment complex, said in a statement shared with The Washington Post.

Dinguss’s account of the Sept. 3 fatal shooting, first reported by the Oregonian, contradicts details offered by federal authorities, who said Reinoehl, 48, pulled a gun as members of a fugitive task force tried to arrest him. Two other witnesses also told the Olympian they had seen Reinoehl fire a weapon at police.

Dinguss, whose attorney described him as an ordained minister, said he fears reprisals from far-right groups and police for describing what he saw unfolding outside his apartment.

“We are very concerned for our client’s safety for speaking out, both from the fascist right, and retaliation by law enforcement,” said Luke Laughlin, his attorney, in a statement.

Dinguss said he never saw Reinoehl pull out a gun.

He said he watched as two unmarked police vehicles converged on Reinoehl as he walked to his car, holding his phone and chewing on a piece of candy. The officers never audibly identified themselves and didn’t try to arrest Reinoehl, Dinguss said.

Instead, he said they immediately began firing. When Reinoehl heard the gunfire, he ducked behind his car, which was pinned in by the law enforcement vehicles; he never tried to get inside, Dinguss said, and he never saw him reaching for a weapon. Dinguss said he watched police unleash rapid-fire rounds at Reinoehl, once pausing to shout “Stop!” before resuming their fire.

 

[Trausti]

Police shot Portland slaying suspect without warning or trying to arrest him first, witness says

Dinguss said he never saw Reinoehl pull out a gun.

He said he watched as two unmarked police vehicles converged on Reinoehl as he walked to his car, holding his phone and chewing on a piece of candy. The officers never audibly identified themselves and didn’t try to arrest Reinoehl, Dinguss said.

Instead, he said they immediately began firing. When Reinoehl heard the gunfire, he ducked behind his car, which was pinned in by the law enforcement vehicles; he never tried to get inside, Dinguss said, and he never saw him reaching for a weapon. Dinguss said he watched police unleash rapid-fire rounds at Reinoehl, once pausing to shout “Stop!” before resuming their fire.

From your link:

Dinguss’s account of the Sept. 3 fatal shooting, first reported by the Oregonian, contradicts details offered by federal authorities, who said Reinoehl, 48, pulled a gun as members of a fugitive task force tried to arrest him. Two other witnesses also told the Olympian they had seen Reinoehl fire a weapon at police.

https://www.theolympian.com/news/local/crime/article245485220.html

Chad Smith and Chase Cutler, who were working on cars nearby Thursday, said an unmarked SUV had been parked on School Street for a while when that SUV and another converged on a man in a vehicle at the apartment complex. Smith and Cutler moved onto a grassy area about 50 yards away to watch what was happening.

The man got out of his vehicle and began to fire what they believe was an assault rifle at the SUVs. They said they heard 40 or 50 shots, then officers returned fire, hitting the man.

“It reminded me of a video game,” Cutler said.

WaPo really knows how to spin a false narrative.

 

[ZiprHead]

From your link:

Dinguss’s account of the Sept. 3 fatal shooting, first reported by the Oregonian, contradicts details offered by federal authorities, who said Reinoehl, 48, pulled a gun as members of a fugitive task force tried to arrest him. Two other witnesses also told the Olympian they had seen Reinoehl fire a weapon at police.

https://www.theolympian.com/news/local/crime/article245485220.html

Chad Smith and Chase Cutler, who were working on cars nearby Thursday, said an unmarked SUV had been parked on School Street for a while when that SUV and another converged on a man in a vehicle at the apartment complex. Smith and Cutler moved onto a grassy area about 50 yards away to watch what was happening.

The man got out of his vehicle and began to fire what they believe was an assault rifle at the SUVs. They said they heard 40 or 50 shots, then officers returned fire, hitting the man.

“It reminded me of a video game,” Cutler said.

WaPo really knows how to spin a false narrative.

I actually quoted that part (bolded) in my post.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

From your link:



https://www.theolympian.com/news/local/crime/article245485220.html



WaPo really knows how to spin a false narrative.

I actually quoted that part (bolded) in my post.

So you admit trying to hide the truth by putting the truth right out there in the open for anyone to see?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

From your link:

Dinguss’s account of the Sept. 3 fatal shooting, first reported by the Oregonian, contradicts details offered by federal authorities, who said Reinoehl, 48, pulled a gun as members of a fugitive task force tried to arrest him. Two other witnesses also told the Olympian they had seen Reinoehl fire a weapon at police.

https://www.theolympian.com/news/local/crime/article245485220.html

Chad Smith and Chase Cutler, who were working on cars nearby Thursday, said an unmarked SUV had been parked on School Street for a while when that SUV and another converged on a man in a vehicle at the apartment complex. Smith and Cutler moved onto a grassy area about 50 yards away to watch what was happening.

The man got out of his vehicle and began to fire what they believe was an assault rifle at the SUVs. They said they heard 40 or 50 shots, then officers returned fire, hitting the man.

“It reminded me of a video game,” Cutler said.

WaPo really knows how to spin a false narrative.

Of course the police said he was armed.

The police have a substantial track record of killing cop-killers during arrest. This looks an awful lot like they extended that to the allies of the cops.

 

[ZiprHead]

Chad Smith and Chase Cutler, who were working on cars nearby Thursday, said an unmarked SUV had been parked on School Street for a while when that SUV and another converged on a man in a vehicle at the apartment complex. Smith and Cutler moved onto a grassy area about 50 yards away to watch what was happening.

The man got out of his vehicle and began to fire what they believe was an assault rifle at the SUVs. They said they heard 40 or 50 shots, then officers returned fire, hitting the man.

“It reminded me of a video game,” Cutler said.

WaPo really knows how to spin a false narrative.

This part kinda bothers me. 40 to 50 shots would require a drum magazine. Like this:



Shooting at vehicles that had to be very close to keep Reinoehl's car boxed in yet no reports of him hitting... anything.

Much more information is needed.