Sutherland Springs - Why didn't victims defend themselves?

[Jimmy Higgins]

I think we really need to ask ourselves this question. Why didn't the shooting victims defend themselves? It was just one shooter and there were dozens of them.

"Everybody got down, crawling under wherever they could hide. He was shooting hard."Solis dropped to the ground but was struck in the left arm. "I could feel the gunshots. I saw them on the carpet," she said. "I could see the gunshots coming down."


Brown said his mother recalled the gunman walking up and down the aisles several times.


"She stayed on the ground the whole time -- never saw him, just saw his boots as he walked around the church," Brown said.

Instead of acting, they cowered, waiting for Big Government to come in and save them. It makes me wonder why there was this unnatural instinct to wait for help.

You might be wondering where in the heck I'm coming from.

“Eight of his church members who might be alive if he had expressly allowed members to carry handguns in church are dead,” Cotton declared. “Innocent people died because of his position on a political issue."

It might get dismissed as insensitive but I think it's a fair question: why didn't they overpower him while he was reloading?

These statements weren't isolated with the Dylan Roof massacre, which happened in a church... where the church welcome the kid, a complete stranger, into their study.

So to be fair, should we be asking why didn't the white church goers do anything to help themselves?

 

[starwater]

Who knows how any of us would react in this situation. Mothers were laying on top of their children to protect them. There were lots of children and babies there. They may have been helping the wounded. It's always hard to speculate after the fact. People died.

 

[Bronzeage]

Running toward gunfire is not a natural reaction. It's natural to either shield oneself, or try to shield someone else.

It only takes about a second to snap in a fresh magazine on an AR15. Rushing him while reloading is not realistic.

It probably was not possible to get behind the shooter, or time to organize a mob to rush him. The most one could expect might be to throw hymnals at the shooter. A direct hit to the side of the head would disorient him for a moment, but any change in the outcome is doubtful.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Why are people responding seriously to biting sarcasm?

 

[Elixir]

Why are people responding seriously to biting sarcasm?

They're in pain. They need your thoughts and prayers.

 

[ZiprHead]

Here ya go...

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[Jimmy Higgins]

NSFW dude.

 

[Elixir]

NSFW dude.

I thought it was a woman. Silly me.
But - no nudity. Why NSFW?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It only takes about a second to snap in a fresh magazine on an AR15. Rushing him while reloading is not realistic.

It probably was not possible to get behind the shooter, or time to organize a mob to rush him. The most one could expect might be to throw hymnals at the shooter. A direct hit to the side of the head would disorient him for a moment, but any change in the outcome is doubtful.

If you're nearby and he's reloading your best bet is to jump him and grab the gun, while shouting for help. Rifles are bad in close quarters because of this.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

NSFW dude.

I thought it was a woman. Silly me.
But - no nudity. Why NSFW?

The idea of NSFW is anything that might be an issue in a prudish workplace, not nudity per se. It's a warning that this is something you might not want on your screen where others can see it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It only takes about a second to snap in a fresh magazine on an AR15. Rushing him while reloading is not realistic.

It probably was not possible to get behind the shooter, or time to organize a mob to rush him. The most one could expect might be to throw hymnals at the shooter. A direct hit to the side of the head would disorient him for a moment, but any change in the outcome is doubtful.

If you're nearby and he's reloading your best bet is to jump him and grab the gun, while shouting for help. Rifles are bad in close quarters because of this.

Yeah, that was why he only managed to murder half in attendance and shot just about everyone else.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If you're nearby and he's reloading your best bet is to jump him and grab the gun, while shouting for help. Rifles are bad in close quarters because of this.

Yeah, that was why he only managed to murder half in attendance and shot just about everyone else.

Just because the best course of action is to jump him while he's reloading that doesn't mean anyone did.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yeah, that was why he only managed to murder half in attendance and shot just about everyone else.

Just because the best course of action is to jump him while he's reloading that doesn't mean anyone did.

The question is, why was this question asked when a black church bible study was massacred, but not when even more white people in a church were massacred?