Teen shot 7 times and killed by police officer - ruled "justified" of course

[RavenSky]

Sounds all too familiar

The temperature was in the teens on the Saturday night in February, around 8:30, when Guilford flashed his high beams at Sgt. Frost's police vehicle.

Guilford had just dropped his brother off at a church and was driving to his girlfriend's house in the town of Mulliken, according to an account of the stop from the county prosecutor's office.

Frost pulled the teen over and turned on his body camera before exiting his vehicle, multiple accounts of the traffic stop show.

"I couldn't see," Guilford says to Frost, as recorded on the body camera, complaining to the officer that the headlights of his vehicle -- a new SUV, according to the complaint and report -- were shining in his eyes.

"I didn't have them on," Frost responds, meaning his high beams. He asks the teen for his license and registration.

Guilford persists, and Frost continues to deny his high beams were on, asking more times for the driver's license. Their argument escalates.

Frost radios for backup as Guilford continues to refuse to produce his identification. Guilford makes a phone call and begins to record the interaction on his own cell phone camera. Guilford admits he does not have his license after Frost asks for it a sixth time. Frost wrests open the driver's door and points a Taser at Guilford, telling him to get on the ground to be detained.

Frost later writes in a narrative account of the stop submitted as part of the police incident report that he thought that in light of Guilford's challenges, the teen may have calling in reinforcements from a local "sovereign citizen or militia movement." The prosecuting attorney's report references a recent police bulletin that warned officers about such threats.

Guilford lowers slowly and reluctantly to the ground. Frost screams for him to lie down with his hands on his side. Guilford continues to film the scene and struggles from the asphalt next to his car.

Guilford, shown on Frost's body camera with his elbows propping him up on the side of the highway, his cell phone in his right hand, says, "This is what American--"

Frost grabs his phone and throws it feet away on the ground.

"You can't do that!" the teen cries, getting up.

"Get your hands behind your back. You're under arrest," the officer shouts back.

Frost discharges his Taser into Guilford's back.

The Taser was shot too close to its target and didn't administer a full shock, the report by the county prosecutor later noted. Instead of being incapacitated, Guilford leaps up angrily.

Only audio recorded on the body camera, and from Guilford's cell phone still recording on the ground nearby, captures what happens in the next 13 to 14 seconds: Heavy breathing, thumping noises, seven gun shots, and a scream.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/16/us/michigan-sheriffs-sergeant-teen-shooting-lawsuit/

 

[Derec]

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[Eldarion Lathria]

But since the kid was white it's justified. And we'll hear nothing more about it.

Eldarion Lathria

 

[Derec]

But since the kid was white it's justified.

It probably was justified, but that did not stop #BLMers before.

And we'll hear nothing more about it.

I certainly do not see any Lansing QTs up in flames.

 

[RavenSky]

But since the kid was white it's justified. And we'll hear nothing more about it.

Eldarion Lathria

Yes, the prosecutor did declare the shooting "justified" - like they generally do when black boys and men are killed. But no, it is not going away either.

 

[RavenSky]

The cop pulled the teen over for flashing his lights to alert the oncoming car (the patrol car) that his brights were on. This same cop had pulled two other cars over for doing exactly the same thing earlier that same night. Instead of realizing that the headlights on his own patrol car where misaligned, he escalated this situation until he killed an unarmed teenager.

 

[repoman]

Perhaps they were misaligned on purpose so he could get a better look at passengers and drivers to profile/target them for drunk driving and so on...

 

[Derec]

Yes, the prosecutor did declare the shooting "justified" - like they generally do when black boys and men are killed. But no, it is not going away either.

This kid was white, and he attacked the cop. Michael Brown was black, and he attacked the cop. Walter Scott was black, but he fled from the cop, and the cop was indicted. Find the common denominator. Hint: it's not being black. So there goes the whole reasoning behind the #BLM nonsense - getting shot by police is not something that only happens to blacks (racial disparity in police shootings is actually less than the racial disparity of homicide perpetrators) and it actually has a lot to do with the behavior of the suspect - attack the cop physically and you have a high likelihood of getting a couple of extra holes in your body.

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The cop pulled the teen over for flashing his lights to alert the oncoming car (the patrol car) that his brights were on. This same cop had pulled two other cars over for doing exactly the same thing earlier that same night. Instead of realizing that the headlights on his own patrol car where misaligned, he escalated this situation until he killed an unarmed teenager.

The kid was high, he refuse to show his documents, and eventually he attacked the cop injuring him. How do you go from all that to "[cop] escalated"?

 

[Derec]

Perhaps they were misaligned on purpose so he could get a better look at passengers and drivers to profile/target them for drunk driving and so on...

Or maybe Explorer has headlights that are higher than those of a regular car and thus shine higher as well. Regardless, that has nothing to do with the shooting which was due to the cop being attacked after the taser didn't work. Had Deven just remained calm and showed the cop his documents he'd probably been on his merry way within minutes.
Lesson: don't toke and drive.

 

[RavenSky]

Perhaps they were misaligned on purpose so he could get a better look at passengers and drivers to profile/target them for drunk driving and so on...

Then he would be in violation of the very same law him claimed he pulled three people over for.

 

[RavenSky]

This kid was white, and he attacked the cop. Michael Brown was black, and he attacked the cop. Walter Scott was black, but he fled from the cop, and the cop was indicted. Find the common denominator. Hint: it's not being black. So there goes the whole reasoning behind the #BLM nonsense - getting shot by police is not something that only happens to blacks (racial disparity in police shootings is actually less than the racial disparity of homicide perpetrators) and it actually has a lot to do with the behavior of the suspect - attack the cop physically and you have a high likelihood of getting a couple of extra holes in your body.

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The cop pulled the teen over for flashing his lights to alert the oncoming car (the patrol car) that his brights were on. This same cop had pulled two other cars over for doing exactly the same thing earlier that same night. Instead of realizing that the headlights on his own patrol car where misaligned, he escalated this situation until he killed an unarmed teenager.

The kid was high, he refuse to show his documents, and eventually he attacked the cop injuring him. How do you go from all that to "[cop] escalated"?

You always go straight to maligning the dead victim, don't you?

1. THC in the system does not mean the teenager was high at that moment.
2. No independent factual evidence that the teenager "attacked" the cop. That part was magically not captured on video.
3. The cop pulled the teen over when he didn't need to, yanked the teen out of his car when he didn't need to, kicked the teen's phone out of his hands when he didn't need to, and killed the unarmed teen when he didn't need to. So yes, it cop escalated the situation, and killed an innocent teen.

 

[Trausti]

This kid was white, and he attacked the cop. Michael Brown was black, and he attacked the cop. Walter Scott was black, but he fled from the cop, and the cop was indicted. Find the common denominator. Hint: it's not being black. So there goes the whole reasoning behind the #BLM nonsense - getting shot by police is not something that only happens to blacks (racial disparity in police shootings is actually less than the racial disparity of homicide perpetrators) and it actually has a lot to do with the behavior of the suspect - attack the cop physically and you have a high likelihood of getting a couple of extra holes in your body.

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The kid was high, he refuse to show his documents, and eventually he attacked the cop injuring him. How do you go from all that to "[cop] escalated"?

You always go straight to maligning the dead victim, don't you?

1. THC in the system does not mean the teenager was high at that moment.
2. No independent factual evidence that the teenager "attacked" the cop. That part was magically not captured on video.
3. The cop pulled the teen over when he didn't need to, yanked the teen out of his car when he didn't need to, kicked the teen's phone out of his hands when he didn't need to, and killed the unarmed teen when he didn't need to. So yes, it cop escalated the situation, and killed an innocent teen.

I dunno. The CNN clip you posted made clear that flashing high beams in Michigan at 500 feet is illegal. Presumably this is so you don't blind oncoming traffic. But it seems not many people (myself included) know this is a traffic violation. Ergo, the stop was legal. From there, the teenager was not cooperative. He did not have his driver's license - another offense. Then the last frame of the body cam shows the teenager get up and swing his arms at the officer. Heh, tragic this was. The cop may very well be an asshole. Yet, the teenager is dead because he acted stupid.

 

[Underseer]

It probably was justified, but that did not stop #BLMers before.

And we'll hear nothing more about it.

I certainly do not see any Lansing QTs up in flames.

Are you suggesting that the media is creating the false impression that African-Americans are more likely to be mistreated by the police, when in fact it is all us poor, oppressed white people who are being mistreated by police more than African-Americans?

Oh, that sinister, sinister liberal media conspiracy! They create a false impression in the public through lies and selective reporting!

Won't someone stick up for all us oppressed and persecuted white people? We're so marginalized! [/conservolibertarian]

On a more serious note, your implication is categorically insane. Black male teens are twenty one times more likely to be killed by police. The statistics are precisely the opposite of what you suggest, not that you would ever let facts get in the way of your persecution complex.

 

[zorq]

It does sound awfully outrageous to have police officers entrapping citizens ignorant of a specific traffic law by breaking that very law themselves.

Also, police need to learn that tasers are not an "assault civilians free" card. Let's ignore for the moment that tazers are lethal weapons when used against an unidentifiable portion of the population. When did it become policy to apply pain to a suspect until they fall into a state of shock for failing to comply quickly enough? Really?

An officer is impatient so it's okay for him to assault anyone he wants with electricity?

Here's an interesting legal fact upheld by the SCOTUS:
“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.”
Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306 John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529

Food for thought.

 

[Jaecp]

It does sound awfully outrageous to have police officers entrapping citizens ignorant of a specific traffic law by breaking that very law themselves.

Also, police need to learn that tasers are not an "assault civilians free" card. Let's ignore for the moment that tazers are lethal weapons when used against an unidentifiable portion of the population. When did it become policy to apply pain to a suspect until they fall into a state of shock for failing to comply quickly enough? Really?

An officer is impatient so it's okay for him to assault anyone he wants with electricity?

Here's an interesting legal fact upheld by the SCOTUS:
“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.”
Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306 John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529

Food for thought.

Plummer v State 1893 and John Bad Elk 1900 might not be the best legal precedents to cite in the modern era considering how badshit crazy our inability to even indict a cop is. When's the last time they were cited in a decision? I'm not saying they haven't been, but I don't really know how to search that up

Also, the wikipedia article on each of these mentions that the quote you mention is not actually in the case

 

[Derec]

You always go straight to maligning the dead victim, don't you?

Because he did plenty wrong.

1. THC in the system does not mean the teenager was high at that moment.

The THC levels indicated he used marijuana in the last 3-4 hours. Unfortunately THC testing is not as accurate as BAC testing but Deven's belligerent behavior is also consistent with somebody under chemical impairment.

2. No independent factual evidence that the teenager "attacked" the cop. That part was magically not captured on video.

The cop had injuries from the encounter with the teen. There is no magic to the camera coming off when the struggle started.

3. The cop pulled the teen over when he didn't need to,

Deven flashed his lights when he didn't need to.

yanked the teen out of his car when he didn't need to,

He definitely needed to do that. He had somebody who repeatedly refused to provide documentation and then refused to exit the vehicle.

kicked the teen's phone out of his hands when he didn't need to,

Again, Deven refused to follow lawful commands.

and killed the unarmed teen when he didn't need to.

Once a cop is attacked by a perp it does not matter if the perp is armed or not as he can then grab the officer's gun. So yes, he definitely did have to shoot him at that point rather then let Deven "put wings on pigs" as #BLM so charmingly puts it.

So yes, it cop escalated the situation, and killed an innocent teen.

I say Deven escalated the situation. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

[Derec]

It does sound awfully outrageous to have police officers entrapping citizens ignorant of a specific traffic law by breaking that very law themselves.

How is that entrapment? Also what evidence is that that the cop broke any law?

Also, police need to learn that tasers are not an "assault civilians free" card. Let's ignore for the moment that tazers are lethal weapons when used against an unidentifiable portion of the population. When did it become policy to apply pain to a suspect until they fall into a state of shock for failing to comply quickly enough? Really?

It wasn't that Deven wasn't compliant quickly enough, it was that he was actively non-compliant.

Here's an interesting legal fact upheld by the SCOTUS:

19th century court decisions whose details are very different than what transpired here? Really?

 

[bleubird]

Yes the stupid kid should have remained calm and submissive.'cause you never know when you will have to deal with a dickhead cop.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

It probably was justified, but that did not stop #BLMers before.

And we'll hear nothing more about it.

I certainly do not see any Lansing QTs up in flames.

Isn't your alleged objection to BLM that All Lives Matter but when you're given a thread about a White kid getting shot by the police you're still bringing up BLM and protecting the police?

 

[bleubird]

Shot seven times!Really!

Seven fucking times!

Did i say seven times?

Deven seven?