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I find it stunning the terrible faith that the fascist right applies to the issues claiming that people are trying to force irreversible procedures on kids.
To look at such tactics is concern trolling in the most charitable light: the law bans BLOCKERS!
These laws guarantee that people will need to "butcher" their body to get it to even a semblance of what they wish to see.
Blockers, the only way to even possibly avoid surgical interventions, allow those who wish to transition the power to do so without closing a door.
Those who desist are not in any way significantly harmed from being delayed of puberty for a year or two while they figure themselves out.
Those who persistently push to start a puberty under the review of doctors, parents, and teachers also are freed from the need for surgical interventions.
Thus it is again clear that the right is concern trolling the issue, and causing the very problems they claim to wish to avoid.
To look at such tactics is concern trolling in the most charitable light: the law bans BLOCKERS!
These laws guarantee that people will need to "butcher" their body to get it to even a semblance of what they wish to see.
Blockers, the only way to even possibly avoid surgical interventions, allow those who wish to transition the power to do so without closing a door.
Those who desist are not in any way significantly harmed from being delayed of puberty for a year or two while they figure themselves out.
Those who persistently push to start a puberty under the review of doctors, parents, and teachers also are freed from the need for surgical interventions.
Thus it is again clear that the right is concern trolling the issue, and causing the very problems they claim to wish to avoid.
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It is 'lunatic' only if you have complete faith in gender ideology. Not all of us are believers.
No, it will not cause her to kill herself. The spectre of suicide is an ever-present fire-and-brimstone talking point of gender ideologists, but the gender ideologists simply state their assertion as if it were fact, and neglect to mention that pre and post-transition trans people have no difference in suicide rates.
The American Academy of Pediatrics also condones the mutilation of the genitals of baby boys. It is pro-mutilation. I am not impressed by their recommendations.
Your hypocrisy is stunning. You yourself have said you do not think youth should have surgeries, yet you did not speak in favour of the surgery-blocking.
As usual, that's the exact opposite of the truth. Boys who have been on puberty blockers often don't have enough material for butchers to fashion their pre-pubescent penises into pseudovaginas.
Jesus Christ I had hoped that pedophile had crawled under a Canadian rock and died.
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Do not be deceived by someone that argues in tweets, demonization, and propaganda.
Again, I want to remind everyone of the policy statement that reflects the current position of the American Academy of Pediatrics:
publications.aap.org
Furthermore, here is a statement of support that was released only months ago by the leadership of the Federation of Pediatric Associations, which includes several different pediatric associations in its membership:
Furthermore, the pseudoscience that supposedly justifies these laws has been found to be based on deliberate omissions and erroneous claims, and it has been comprehensively debunked:
thehill.com
Furthermore, puberty-blocker medication alone, which is the most easily reversible form of hormone therapy, has been found to reduce suicidal ideation in transgender youth by 73%:
jamanetwork.com
Please, everyone, look to real science. There is very nearly a consensus, among pediatric organizations, in support of gender-affirming care. Do not be deceived by pseudoscience, and do not be deceived by a lunatic that argues in tweets. Stand up for reason.
Again, I want to remind everyone of the policy statement that reflects the current position of the American Academy of Pediatrics:
Ensuring Comprehensive Care and Support for Transgender and Gender-Diverse Children and Adolescents
As a traditionally underserved population that faces numerous health disparities, youth who identify as transgender and gender diverse (TGD) and their families are increasingly presenting to pediatric providers for education, care, and referrals. The need for more formal training, standardized...
publications.aap.org
Furthermore, here is a statement of support that was released only months ago by the leadership of the Federation of Pediatric Associations, which includes several different pediatric associations in its membership:
Furthermore, the pseudoscience that supposedly justifies these laws has been found to be based on deliberate omissions and erroneous claims, and it has been comprehensively debunked:
Report says gender-affirming care bans in Alabama, Texas based on ‘flawed science’
Story at a glance A report from researchers at Yale University and the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center (UTSMC) claims efforts to ban gender-affirming care for transgender and nonbin…
thehill.com
Furthermore, puberty-blocker medication alone, which is the most easily reversible form of hormone therapy, has been found to reduce suicidal ideation in transgender youth by 73%:
Mental Health Outcomes in Transgender and Nonbinary Youths Receiving Gender-Affirming Care
This cohort study investigates whether gender-affirming care is associated with decreased depression, anxiety, and suicidality among transgender and nonbinary youths.
jamanetwork.com
Please, everyone, look to real science. There is very nearly a consensus, among pediatric organizations, in support of gender-affirming care. Do not be deceived by pseudoscience, and do not be deceived by a lunatic that argues in tweets. Stand up for reason.
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By the way, I want to point something out, here. The same group of people are making two conflicting arguments:
Notice that these are the same exact people. Stop pretending that they are not the vicious punks they are.
A) they argue that they should not be criticized for misgendering a transgender woman that has a masculine-sounding voice, a masculine-looking height, and a masculine-looking bone-structure, and they claim that it is ridiculous and unfair that they should be expected to validate such a person as a woman.
B) they also claim that parents that help their children receive gender-affirming care during puberty, thereby giving them a chance at living normal lives, should be treated as criminals, and they are defending laws that would have the pediatricians that help them branded as felons.
Notice that these are the same exact people. Stop pretending that they are not the vicious punks they are.
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Really, their goal is to force kids into growing up looking like gender stereotypes which they hate.
They want trans people to be forced to "give their birth gonads/hormone system a try" as if they haven't seen the results of that already in their parents, peers, and upper classpersons and NOPED right the hell away from that.
And apparently metaphor still hasn't heard about DHT cream.
Ridiculous and unfair and immoral that you should bully people into uttering things they do not believe, certainly. But that doesn't stop the demands from the gender ideologues.
Sex is not gender, so why is medically [removed] the bodies of children 'gender affirming'?
You believe there is a conflict between the two positions. There is none.
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Except they're the ones saying there's something that needs to be fixed. Your argument is a strawman.
Puberty blockers are not irreversible. Living as the other gender is not irreversible. That's all most people want for the under 18 crowd.
The proper comparison is between those allowed to transition and those blocked from it.
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A judge has blocked the Alabama law.
www.cnn.com
That is some kind of reprieve, at least.
Judge blocks Alabama restrictions on certain gender-affirming treatments for transgender youth
A federal judge has partially blocked an Alabama law that restricts gender-affirming treatments for transgender minors.
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That is some kind of reprieve, at least.
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I would honestly love an inside look into the mindset that drive such "lies for Jesus", especially about trans people.
It's one of the most baffling things to me even as someone raised in the evangelical fundieverse.
It's just constant rhetoric about kids being harmed, when it has been demonstrated time and again that affirmation surgeries are avoided by hormonal interventions, are not offered to minors, and that the most common hormonal intervention in that age range, blockers, are entirely reversible in effect by simply ceasing to take them.
So where does the impetus to lie about this come from? Where does the justification spring from? I just don't get it why this is such an enemy to be hated other than, perhaps, than having the mindset that people ought not get choices because the choices denied were of them... But that isn't helping anyone, it's just hurting them because whoever-it-was also got hurt.
I can see folks who were denied the opportunity to so much as THINK about being something other than "a woman like her mother" or "a gay" or "a man like his father" harboring such a grudge, but it is not helpful!
I am tempted on occasion to embed myself in a cluster of transphobes until I see one speak the quiet part out loud? But I expect not even that will get me into the mindset of the sort of person that invents such lies. It may even be a subtext that is spoken unconsciously, the quiet part being something spoken from one subconscious to another in dog whistles and unnoticed and even unintentional structure of implication in communications.
It's a fascinating psychology, but one that confuses me greatly as to what thought process, at it's core, leads to the hate that motivates these laws.
It's one of the most baffling things to me even as someone raised in the evangelical fundieverse.
It's just constant rhetoric about kids being harmed, when it has been demonstrated time and again that affirmation surgeries are avoided by hormonal interventions, are not offered to minors, and that the most common hormonal intervention in that age range, blockers, are entirely reversible in effect by simply ceasing to take them.
So where does the impetus to lie about this come from? Where does the justification spring from? I just don't get it why this is such an enemy to be hated other than, perhaps, than having the mindset that people ought not get choices because the choices denied were of them... But that isn't helping anyone, it's just hurting them because whoever-it-was also got hurt.
I can see folks who were denied the opportunity to so much as THINK about being something other than "a woman like her mother" or "a gay" or "a man like his father" harboring such a grudge, but it is not helpful!
I am tempted on occasion to embed myself in a cluster of transphobes until I see one speak the quiet part out loud? But I expect not even that will get me into the mindset of the sort of person that invents such lies. It may even be a subtext that is spoken unconsciously, the quiet part being something spoken from one subconscious to another in dog whistles and unnoticed and even unintentional structure of implication in communications.
It's a fascinating psychology, but one that confuses me greatly as to what thought process, at it's core, leads to the hate that motivates these laws.
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Yes. It is actually unusual for doctors to prescribe anything stronger than puberty blockers, but in cases where they do, the differences is usually the patient and not the doctor. If a patient prescribes full HRT to a 14 year old, then the reality behind that is often a young transgender person that has been seriously raising hell and making noise in order to get it. If doctors prescribe full HRT to a minor, then it is usually because it is the only way the kid will stop perseverating on it long enough to learn their algebra.
… that doesn’t seem like a terribly solid argument for it…
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Transgender kids actually do tend to suffer in their grades if not treated early, though. This a serious problem because it can be harder for many of them to establish good careers later.
Self-harm is a big problem, but it is not the only problem that occurs in transgender kids. It was never a problem for me in spite of my other challenges and an abusive family environmemt on top of that.
The place where I suffered was in my grades. An entrenched cynicism and also the amplified need to escape, mentally, from an intolerable reality was a serious problem. Even in college, I ended up doing better in online courses than in person, and unfortunately, I only came to that late.