The Beast Revelation

[michae1]

Christian films often portray that all those who have not received the mark of the beast will be killed, this is a symbolic truth. The circumstances are true, but they missed the real meaning due to some failed interpretations. All those who have not taken the mark are killed, this part is true, but those who have not taken the mark are Hamas. The mark was given during the elections for the president of the Palestinian authority, which was boycotted by Hamas. Hamas has never received the mark. Films like to portray all people as subject to the mark. This part is wrong. It only affects those Palestinians who did not take the mark, and not the whole world. It is only Hamas. This makes the mark as what the letter indicates. It was the indelible ink brand given to those who voted in the Palestinian elections.

 

[WAB]

Did you know that Gandalf was of the Maiar? The same order as Sauron, and the Balrogs.

 

[Jarhyn]

I find it astonishing that people would rather see it as a description of the present rendered by the past rather than a description of the past repeated somewhat in the past, present, and future.

I am also disappointed by those who are too caught up to see that the discussion was about government action.

The Antichrist/beast was an internationally powerful juggernaut.

The mark was clearly a documentation/consolidation of access to financial infrastructure.

If we are to be at all vigilant of such events, we can probably much more readily view Trump putting his signature on money, asking people to wear hats or bling on his behalf, and the inevitability that this whole "citizen" thing is coming to some kind of pledge/mark situation indicates that the current Trump regime is going to go the distance, and it will not be happening in some backwater, but in whatever part of the world accords to "Rome".

In the original book of Revelation, written about contemporary events, the events described things their oppressive bad-faith Roman government was undertaking.

The Antichrists of history, and there have been a few, have always been the powerful leaders of Nouveau Roman governments, usually those seeking to echo the original Rome and Roman Emperors.

 

[michae1]

I find it astonishing that people would rather see it as a description of the present rendered by the past rather than a description of the past repeated somewhat in the past, present, and future.

I am also disappointed by those who are too caught up to see that the discussion was about government action.

The Antichrist/beast was an internationally powerful juggernaut.

The mark was clearly a documentation/consolidation of access to financial infrastructure.

If we are to be at all vigilant of such events, we can probably much more readily view Trump putting his signature on money, asking people to wear hats or bling on his behalf, and the inevitability that this whole "citizen" thing is coming to some kind of pledge/mark situation indicates that the current Trump regime is going to go the distance, and it will not be happening in some backwater, but in whatever part of the world accords to "Rome".

In the original book of Revelation, written about contemporary events, the events described things their oppressive bad-faith Roman government was undertaking.

The Antichrists of history, and there have been a few, have always been the powerful leaders of Nouveau Roman governments, usually those seeking to echo the original Rome and Roman Emperors.

I find it astonishing that people would rather listen to dead scholars. If those scholars had the chance, I'm sure they would change their interpretations. Instead, use your own eyes. You are alive to see the events. They were just projecting what they thought would occur. If there are a thousand explanations today, then you can be sure yours is one of them.

 

[DBT]

Revelation was written for believers in that time and place. The return of Jesus in power and glory was promised to happen within the lifetime of those present, not two thousand years into the future, with Christians still waiting for the promised event.

 

[Jarhyn]

I find it astonishing that people would rather see it as a description of the present rendered by the past rather than a description of the past repeated somewhat in the past, present, and future.

I am also disappointed by those who are too caught up to see that the discussion was about government action.

The Antichrist/beast was an internationally powerful juggernaut.

The mark was clearly a documentation/consolidation of access to financial infrastructure.

If we are to be at all vigilant of such events, we can probably much more readily view Trump putting his signature on money, asking people to wear hats or bling on his behalf, and the inevitability that this whole "citizen" thing is coming to some kind of pledge/mark situation indicates that the current Trump regime is going to go the distance, and it will not be happening in some backwater, but in whatever part of the world accords to "Rome".

In the original book of Revelation, written about contemporary events, the events described things their oppressive bad-faith Roman government was undertaking.

The Antichrists of history, and there have been a few, have always been the powerful leaders of Nouveau Roman governments, usually those seeking to echo the original Rome and Roman Emperors.

I find it astonishing that people would rather listen to dead scholars. If those scholars had the chance, I'm sure they would change their interpretations. Instead, use your own eyes. You are alive to see the events. They were just projecting what they thought would occur. If there are a thousand explanations today, then you can be sure yours is one of them.

I am alive to see the events: a person who lies and lies and lies seeking to put his name on everything and everyone for the sake of their own ego; regularly betrays and even murders leaders who don't capitulate to his regime; is willing to attack his own people, releasing contained pestilence, wars, famine/shortage, and death upon the land; advertised a placed his mark on the heads and arms of his followers; commands the devotion of those who claim falsely to be of the church of Jesus; is in league with preachers that call empathy sin; desecrated a church with teargas while they were helping the injured to hold a photoshoot in which he held a Bible upside down; was the victim of a botched assassination (and potentially staged/fake) attempt involving a head wound that "miraculously" disappeared, is literally in the process of "rebuilding" is real and then betraying them...

Like, my way of squaring all the above away is that I think he has handlers who are guiding him for the sake of staging a manufactured "return" narrative using an AI "deity". This is in fact supported by Peter Thiel's involvement with the administration and Project 2025, as well as his outright stated belief that regulating AI will prevent the return of God or whatever.

Its not unreasonable to think Thiel was bankrolling and involved with the Left Behind series, either.

What truly astounds me is that all of that is happening out in the open and folks like you still seem to miss it happening plain as day in front of your faces, and you somehow follow that lying buffoon all the same.

Then you show up here of all places, where we don't even believe in your make believe nonsense god, with the most confused shit ever about what should be understood as fairly obscure commentary on fascism and autocracy and the way lying leaders ride in on waves of apathy and nihilism to make everyone's lives shittier.

Its not that we don't understand your book. We understand it way better than you do. We just understand that it is not True even if it contains truth, and that the lessons we learn from it must be seen to be practical and stand on their own merits without belief.

 

[michae1]

Its not that we don't understand your book. We understand it way better than you do. We just understand that it is not True even if it contains truth, and that the lessons we learn from it must be seen to be practical and stand on their own merits without belief.

We will not agree on anything, but I will ask you one question. Why did Jesus speak to them in parables?

 

[DBT]

To conceal from those with 'hardened hearts' - deliberate ambiguity - appears to contradict the desire "that none should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

 

[michae1]

To conceal from those with 'hardened hearts' - deliberate ambiguity - appears to contradict the desire "that none should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

This is what the Bible says.

The Purpose of Jesus' Parables
(Mark 4:10-12)

10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

Which group do you suppose you belong to?

 

[Jarhyn]

Its not that we don't understand your book. We understand it way better than you do. We just understand that it is not True even if it contains truth, and that the lessons we learn from it must be seen to be practical and stand on their own merits without belief.

We will not agree on anything, but I will ask you one question. Why did Jesus speak to them in parables?

I expect we will not, largely because you are a "believer", and I seek to understand the reasons behind the people who wrote and said and did in what they wrote and said and did.

Personally, I don't much care as to why some dude chose to speak in parables. You might as well ask why Ursula K. LeGuin chooses to speak in whole novels: it's just how they communicated the ideas they were thinking about.

You are trying to find too much meaning in a solid-for-its-time approach to ethics for the common person.

The very fact that I very much suspect you support the evil orange is enough to make me certain that whatever truth exists in Revalation regarding the false Christians, that's you 100%.

Now please go back to whatever shitty false/anti Christian hole you just climbed out of and get to telling them the atheists were mean to you.

If there are events written of in Revelation, they were a contemporary description of a cyclic phenomena about a leader's conduct in their day and age, and the reality here is that human behavior is repetitive and predictably so.

Personally, I think Jesus was an autistic person who figured out some rather true -- if abstract -- things about how people exist through time, and some rather practical ways to deal with those realities, and some things were lost in translation or just only vaguely understood in the first place; that in turn led to hopelessly twisted dogma and wholesale failure to understand it well enough to see the actual goal through of what Jesus actually envisioned.

I suspect that most here who could speak on any of these subjects have been studying them for longer as an adult than you've been sucking air.

 

[DBT]

To conceal from those with 'hardened hearts' - deliberate ambiguity - appears to contradict the desire "that none should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

This is what the Bible says.

The Purpose of Jesus' Parables
(Mark 4:10-12)

10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

Which group do you suppose you belong to?

You overlooked the apparent contradiction. Obfuscation on one hand and the desire that none should perish on the other. Which requires, not parables that may be misleading, but clarity.

 

[Learner]

The aspect of the belief in God which emphasizes on being guided to get understanding is to first believe in God, as it's described (you then see things differently).

Atheists therefore aren't really going to 'get it' as it describes. Atheists will still tell us what the verses may mean with their own understanding of course.

Just two of many examples of verses highlighting why the example of the parables will be understood by some,and not by others, requiring belief etc and etc

Psalm 119:27, which says, "Make me understand the way of your precepts, and I will meditate on your wondrous works." Additionally...
...James 1:5 provides the assurance that if anyone lacks wisdom, they should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault.

No agreements alas between Atheists and theists therefore...
...but we can still have debates!