The biggest argument for “bathroom bills” was destroyed by this study

[Loren Pechtel]

Yeah, your unhealthy obsession with nobody else being able to have something you don't.

. It is obvious from Toni's post that urinals are part of the unequal distribution of rest room resources. There is not unhealthy about wanting an equal distribution of restroom resource. In fact, given that women tend to naturally take more time in the rest room, it makes sense that they have more restroom facilities.

But I guess an unequal distribution of bathroom resources is ok with you as long as it favors your gender.

I realize women need more stalls than men need urinals. I have no problem with that. She just opposes the existence of urinals despite the fact that in almost any group that will mean a longer wait for women given an equal allocation of resources to bathroom facilities.

 

[Rhea]

Yeah, yeah.
"Give me the child for the first seven years and...."

#gender-whisperers #rainbow-agenda

Hang on, isn’t that a Jesuit quote? Ignatius of Loyola? The guy who said, “Let me look at the foulness and ugliness of my body. Let me see myself as an ulcerous sore running with every horrible and disgusting poison.”


Now that right there is delicious irony. Well played, Lion. Well played.
(You did do that on purpose, right?)

 

[Toni]

You are watching TV with your kids. You're feeling frisky so you wife gives you a blow job.

No problem, kids can figure it all out..right?

1) Different matter entirely.

2) In the old days that's how we evolved. Why do you think it would be harmful?

The entire concept of non-communal/private bedchambers didn't really exist in Northern Europe (and its colonies) prior to the widespread adoption of the domestic chimney in the 16th and 17th centuries. For all of the Stone, Bronze and Iron Ages, and for all but the very wealthiest Romans, all of the Saxons, and but the very wealthiest nobles through most of the Medieval period, almost everyone slept in communal halls, and children grew up seeing adults naked, and seeing them having sex. There is no evidence that this led to any harm whatsoever.

Indeed, prudishness about nakedness really didn't take off until the urbanization of the 19th century made it possible for the first time for most people to live in a way that they could reasonably choose to avoid seeing other humans naked.

It's a modern phenomenon that has become so widely adopted that people assume it is natural or traditional.

Yeah, those were the days when children were not regarded so much as children as they were as disposable free labor who weren't likely to live until adulthood and who could be used in any way that male adults chose. So, for that matter, could women be.

As far as prudishness went, well that all depended on who was exposed. Gay sex was rather ruthlessly punished as were impure females.

Isn't it more a case that private residences and private bathrooms made it possible that people could have more privacy if they chose? I believe this became rather enforced.

I don't see anything wrong with nudity. I don't see anything wrong with wanting to avoid seeing your father in law's penis when you are all out to a nice family dinner at a nice restaurant. I don't see anything wrong with not wanting your girlfriend's grandmother seeing your penis at the same restaurant. I don't think it's weird or unnatural or prudish. I don't see it as damaging but I do see how it could be embarrassing to any of the parties involved, just as it could be embarrassing for you to walk in on your parents or grandparents having sex. Sex and urination, defecation and attending to menstrual needs are generally considered private.

 

[Toni]

From the perspective of the building owner, cheaper to install and maintain, uses less water, theoretically easier to clean. Also tends to allow quicker in/out for the men who use them.

Doesn't matter to me if a builder chooses to use all stalls. I just don't see a mix of both as a problem either.

I guess it bothers me that there are special accommodations for males that are not/or similar are not available to women, and that there is an unequal distribution of resources.

I understand that it is cheaper. I could argue about easier to clean, given what I've seen left in urinals but hey.

Yeah, your unhealthy obsession with nobody else being able to have something you don't.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[Toni]

Yeah, your unhealthy obsession with nobody else being able to have something you don't.

. It is obvious from Toni's post that urinals are part of the unequal distribution of rest room resources. There is not unhealthy about wanting an equal distribution of restroom resource. In fact, given that women tend to naturally take more time in the rest room, it makes sense that they have more restroom facilities.

But I guess an unequal distribution of bathroom resources is ok with you as long as it favors your gender.

I realize women need more stalls than men need urinals. I have no problem with that. She just opposes the existence of urinals despite the fact that in almost any group that will mean a longer wait for women given an equal allocation of resources to bathroom facilities.

Why should it?

I don't see any reason to not have separate bathroom facilities for male and female persons, with open access to any individual to utilize whichever bathroom fits their gender identification.

It's not moral nor is it prudish--it simply seems unnecessary. Aside from saving some business owners some money, I don't see the point. I see it as a loss of privacy which I value.

 

[laughing dog]

Yeah, your unhealthy obsession with nobody else being able to have something you don't.

. It is obvious from Toni's post that urinals are part of the unequal distribution of rest room resources. There is not unhealthy about wanting an equal distribution of restroom resource. In fact, given that women tend to naturally take more time in the rest room, it makes sense that they have more restroom facilities.

But I guess an unequal distribution of bathroom resources is ok with you as long as it favors your gender.

I realize women need more stalls than men need urinals. I have no problem with that. She just opposes the existence of urinals despite the fact that in almost any group that will mean a longer wait for women given an equal allocation of resources to bathroom facilities.

Once again, you are simply wrong. Urinals cannot be used by women. Which may prevent women from quickly using the rest room. I can see why someone would argue that should be present in unisex facilities.

 

[Lion IRC]

Yeah, yeah.
"Give me the child for the first seven years and...."

#gender-whisperers #rainbow-agenda

Hang on, isn’t that a Jesuit quote? Ignatius of Loyola? The guy who said, “Let me look at the foulness and ugliness of my body. Let me see myself as an ulcerous sore running with every horrible and disgusting poison.”


Now that right there is delicious irony. Well played, Lion. Well played.
(You did do that on purpose, right?)

Yes. Quite intentionally ironic.
Voltaire/Ignatius - no matter. It's true enough.
The rainbow gestapo understand how to use it to their purposes.

 

[Jarhyn]

Yeah, yeah.
"Give me the child for the first seven years and...."

#gender-whisperers #rainbow-agenda

Hang on, isn’t that a Jesuit quote? Ignatius of Loyola? The guy who said, “Let me look at the foulness and ugliness of my body. Let me see myself as an ulcerous sore running with every horrible and disgusting poison.”


Now that right there is delicious irony. Well played, Lion. Well played.
(You did do that on purpose, right?)

Yes. Quite intentionally ironic.
Voltaire/Ignatius - no matter. It's true enough.
The rainbow gestapo understand how to use it to their purposes.

Rainbow gestapo? We aren't the ones telling people they can't, mustn't or shouldn't express themselves as they see fit. All we seek is that people not tell others who they are or how they must be. Personally I think that we would all be best served by a two bathroom solution, but in which there are two options: "it matters!", and "doesn't care", so fearful pearl-clutching snowflakes like lion and Toni can continue being as such in their sad, small lives, and the rest of us can actually move on and de-escalate the gender wars. Thing is, we'll need a well-obscured area in that bathroom for a few urinals because we don't want certain people accusing the stand-up pee-ers for all the messes created by the hoverers.

 

[phands]

"Rainbow Gestapo"??????

Yet again, LIRC shows how foul religion is...and with a Nazi comparison. He loses, under Godwin's law.

Mind you, he always loses anyway due to absence of reason and logic.

 

[laughing dog]

Yeah, yeah.
"Give me the child for the first seven years and...."

#gender-whisperers #rainbow-agenda

Hang on, isn’t that a Jesuit quote? Ignatius of Loyola? The guy who said, “Let me look at the foulness and ugliness of my body. Let me see myself as an ulcerous sore running with every horrible and disgusting poison.”


Now that right there is delicious irony. Well played, Lion. Well played.
(You did do that on purpose, right?)

Yes. Quite intentionally ironic.
Voltaire/Ignatius - no matter. It's true enough.
The rainbow gestapo the Catholic clergy and its dupes understand how to use it to their purposes.

FIFY

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I realize women need more stalls than men need urinals. I have no problem with that. She just opposes the existence of urinals despite the fact that in almost any group that will mean a longer wait for women given an equal allocation of resources to bathroom facilities.

Once again, you are simply wrong. Urinals cannot be used by women. Which may prevent women from quickly using the rest room. I can see why someone would argue that should be present in unisex facilities.

But you get about two urinals per stall--the guys get out faster, thus there are more stalls for the women.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yes. Quite intentionally ironic.
Voltaire/Ignatius - no matter. It's true enough.
The rainbow gestapo understand how to use it to their purposes.

Rainbow gestapo? We aren't the ones telling people they can't, mustn't or shouldn't express themselves as they see fit. All we seek is that people not tell others who they are or how they must be. Personally I think that we would all be best served by a two bathroom solution, but in which there are two options: "it matters!", and "doesn't care", so fearful pearl-clutching snowflakes like lion and Toni can continue being as such in their sad, small lives, and the rest of us can actually move on and de-escalate the gender wars. Thing is, we'll need a well-obscured area in that bathroom for a few urinals because we don't want certain people accusing the stand-up pee-ers for all the messes created by the hoverers.

This solution would require three bathrooms, not two.

You just gave me an idea, though--how about putting squat toilets in some of the stalls? For the hoverers.

 

[Jarhyn]

Yes. Quite intentionally ironic.
Voltaire/Ignatius - no matter. It's true enough.
The rainbow gestapo understand how to use it to their purposes.

Rainbow gestapo? We aren't the ones telling people they can't, mustn't or shouldn't express themselves as they see fit. All we seek is that people not tell others who they are or how they must be. Personally I think that we would all be best served by a two bathroom solution, but in which there are two options: "it matters!", and "doesn't care", so fearful pearl-clutching snowflakes like lion and Toni can continue being as such in their sad, small lives, and the rest of us can actually move on and de-escalate the gender wars. Thing is, we'll need a well-obscured area in that bathroom for a few urinals because we don't want certain people accusing the stand-up pee-ers for all the messes created by the hoverers.

This solution would require three bathrooms, not two.

You just gave me an idea, though--how about putting squat toilets in some of the stalls? For the hoverers.

Why? The whole point is that the people in the unisex restroom don't care if they are in a unisex restroom. The IT MATTERS restroom would then have 1 or 2 individual water closets; perhaps even just one. This way, it can be left ambiguous as to what exactly it is that matters and what exactly people do or do not care about, be it gender, or otherwise... but the price for caring so much about it is going to be a line for that one stall.

As to squat toilets, I would rather those over western toilets anyway.

 

[Toni]

I realize women need more stalls than men need urinals. I have no problem with that. She just opposes the existence of urinals despite the fact that in almost any group that will mean a longer wait for women given an equal allocation of resources to bathroom facilities.

Once again, you are simply wrong. Urinals cannot be used by women. Which may prevent women from quickly using the rest room. I can see why someone would argue that should be present in unisex facilities.

But you get about two urinals per stall--the guys get out faster, thus there are more stalls for the women.

Guys already get out faster. I say keep them in their own bathroom.

Ideal for larger venues is a family style bathroom with diaper changing stations and places where parents can feel comfortable escorting their child no matter what the genders flanked by a men’s room for all those guys with prostate problems who are in such a hurry that they cannot possibly be expected to wait long enough to open a stall door, and women’s rooms for all those women who wish to linger a bit and fix their hair and makeup.

 

[laughing dog]

I realize women need more stalls than men need urinals. I have no problem with that. She just opposes the existence of urinals despite the fact that in almost any group that will mean a longer wait for women given an equal allocation of resources to bathroom facilities.

Once again, you are simply wrong. Urinals cannot be used by women. Which may prevent women from quickly using the rest room. I can see why someone would argue that should be present in unisex facilities.

But you get about two urinals per stall--the guys get out faster, thus there are more stalls for the women.

Not if there are only women who want to use the rest room at that time.

 

[Lion IRC]

Yes. Quite intentionally ironic.
Voltaire/Ignatius - no matter. It's true enough.
The rainbow gestapo understand how to use it to their purposes.

Rainbow gestapo? We aren't the ones telling people they can't, mustn't or shouldn't express themselves as they see fit.

By "we" you mean the rainbow gestapo?
Yeah - ya really DO try to dictate how people must conform to the LGBTPCSJW doubleplusgood speak.
#GAFA thought police

All we seek is that people not tell others who they are or how they must be.

By "we" do you mean the rainbow gestapo?
Can I decide what I tolerate? Or will I be told?

Personally I think that we would all be best served by a two bathroom solution, but in which there are two options: "it matters!", and "doesn't care", so fearful pearl-clutching snowflakes like lion and Toni can...

Pearl-clutching snowflakes?
Can you imagine what would happen to someone who dropped an epithet like that on some limp-wristed pansy?
They would lose their job and spend the next 3 years buried under an avalanche of hate speech from the Tolerance Uber Alles, "love is love" brigade.

 

[Jarhyn]

By "we" you mean the rainbow gestapo?
Yeah - ya really DO try to dictate how people must conform to the LGBTPCSJW doubleplusgood speak.
#GAFA thought police

All we seek is that people not tell others who they are or how they must be.

By "we" do you mean the rainbow gestapo?
Can I decide what I tolerate? Or will I be told?

Personally I think that we would all be best served by a two bathroom solution, but in which there are two options: "it matters!", and "doesn't care", so fearful pearl-clutching snowflakes like lion and Toni can...

Pearl-clutching snowflakes?
Can you imagine what would happen to someone who dropped an epithet like that on some limp-wristed pansy?
They would lose their job and spend the next 3 years buried under an avalanche of hate speech from the Tolerance Uber Alles, "love is love" brigade.

So your response is just a bald assertion: "Gay people really are telling people how they must act, speak wah wah wah (maybe if I throw in enough hashtags they will believe me)"

Good job

All along, there have been a few issues.

One where people who run public businesses choose to refuse service to some segment of the public for arbitrary reasons unrelated to the business: we will sell Tom a pink cake with white stripes, but we will not sell Jerry a pink cake with white stripes. This is Jim Crow by another name.

The second issue where people are literally throwing children into camps to get raped and tortured under the belief that doing so will make them not-gay. If you want to talk about a Gestapo, look no further.

And then a third issue where people are trying to force people to participate in a widespread social/cultural game involving gender.

In the first two, it's pretty apparent what an actual fascist gestapo would be doing, and it is the things being done TO gays, not the things being done BY gays. As to the third, we are not fighting to make people say or do anything. All of this is being done by a society at large that is starting to disregard the Christian Gender Games. The tantrums you throw over the fact that people are not bending to the Christian Gestapo's demands that people pick a gender team and stay on it, or worse to accept their and only their declaration of who ought play on what team are ridiculous in every way. We just want the right to walk away from all that garbage, because as much as you seem to think having a penis or a vagina matters to the rest of a person's life, it doesn't.

The fact is, the generation alive today is rife with people completely willing to forego all of the genderized bullshit. Masculine people with vaginas, feminine people with dicks, non-binary people with both, or neither, or either... we don't care, we just want to have the bodies and hormones we most want for ourselves, and to not be bothered over those decisions. Gestapos bother people who do things that harm nobody. They are thought police who round up people different from them. The LGBT movement today, particularly among youth, is the diametric opposite of that. But Christians, fuck, I can throw a dart at the member list of any Christian forum and have better than even odds of hitting a name with posts arguing that gays should be rounded up and exterminated, or quoting a bible verse about how they ought be stoned to death. Gestapo indeed.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

By "we" you mean the rainbow gestapo?

The rainbow gestapo?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckuj-e6LDJw[/youtube]

 

[Loren Pechtel]

This solution would require three bathrooms, not two.

You just gave me an idea, though--how about putting squat toilets in some of the stalls? For the hoverers.

Why? The whole point is that the people in the unisex restroom don't care if they are in a unisex restroom. The IT MATTERS restroom would then have 1 or 2 individual water closets; perhaps even just one. This way, it can be left ambiguous as to what exactly it is that matters and what exactly people do or do not care about, be it gender, or otherwise... but the price for caring so much about it is going to be a line for that one stall.

As to squat toilets, I would rather those over western toilets anyway.

Three bathrooms: Unisex, prudish male, prudish female. (Although I expect there aren't enough prudish males to bother with separate facilities.)

However, in many business contexts there would be a definite savings as they actually only need one toilet, at which point there's no reason separate bathrooms.

- - - Updated - - -

But you get about two urinals per stall--the guys get out faster, thus there are more stalls for the women.

Not if there are only women who want to use the rest room at that time.

But that's an unusual situation.

 

[Trausti]

I realize women need more stalls than men need urinals. I have no problem with that. She just opposes the existence of urinals despite the fact that in almost any group that will mean a longer wait for women given an equal allocation of resources to bathroom facilities.

Once again, you are simply wrong. Urinals cannot be used by women. Which may prevent women from quickly using the rest room. I can see why someone would argue that should be present in unisex facilities.

.
Woah, there. What about the women with penises? Stop this transphobic shit.