The Blame Game

[blastula]

It's a recurring theme on these boards.

Exactly. That is pretty much what every gripe boils down to, people are pissed that someone else didn't vote for their candidate.

Weak. That someone believes voters made a bad choice does not mean they are against those voters' rig>t to vote. As if we must all agree that voters made a good choice every election.

Also, in actual logistical practice, it's Republicans that try to make it harder for more people to vote.

 

[TSwizzle]

Exactly. That is pretty much what every gripe boils down to, people are pissed that someone else didn't vote for their candidate.

Weak. That someone believes voters made a bad choice does not mean they are against those voters' rig>t to vote. As if we must all agree that voters made a good choice every election.

But that is not what is being said on these boards. What people on here say is that anybody that voted for Trump is an ignorant, backward, uneducated, misogynist, nazi, dumb etc etc. It's pathetic.

 

[blastula]

That's not a denial of their right to vote.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

That's not a denial of their right to vote.

Ya, nobody's saying that they shouldn't vote, just that they used their right to vote in a stupid manner.

 

[TSwizzle]

That's not a denial of their right to vote.

I never said it was. I said the petty name calling is pathetic.

 

[blastula]

That's not a denial of their right to vote.

I never said it was. I said the petty name calling is pathetic.

But you agreed with this quote, "Why the hell is anyone being legally allowed to vote for people I don't want in office. Anyone who votes for someone who I don't approve of is obviously an idiot so shouldn't be allowed to vote."

And, sorry, Trump voters factually made an idiotic choice.

 

[TSwizzle]

I never said it was. I said the petty name calling is pathetic.

But you agreed with this quote, "Why the hell is anyone being legally allowed to vote for people I don't want in office. Anyone who votes for someone who I don't approve of is obviously an idiot so shouldn't be allowed to vote."

FFS behave yourself.

And, sorry, Trump voters factually made an idiotic choice.

I've read much worse than that on here (and elsewhere) and it's pathetic.

 

[Hickdive]

Blame?

Americans have elected a misogynist, racist, bigoted, halfwit because most Americans are misogynist, racist, bigoted, halfwits.

Nothing more complex than that.

You can blame the media, the pollsters, the democratic party, Clinton etc etc etc all you want but you won't address the simple truth.

 

[Juma]

The problem isnt the democratic system. It was a very close win for Trump and I would say that anytime you have less difference than say 10% it should be considered a draw and some other mechanism would be necessery. (No precident at at all or both)

 

[Derec]

Bread and circuses. Except without the bread. We can't just hand out bread simply because people are starving, you know.

Let them eat Trump steaks.

 

[TSwizzle]

Blame?

Americans have elected a misogynist, racist, bigoted, halfwit because most Americans are misogynist, racist, bigoted, halfwits.

Nothing more complex than that.

You can blame the media, the pollsters, the democratic party, Clinton etc etc etc all you want but you won't address the simple truth.

Dry your eyes.

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The problem isnt the democratic system. It was a very close win for Trump and I would say that anytime you have less difference than say 10% it should be considered a draw and some other mechanism would be necessery. (No precident at at all or both)

In some circumstances I think that would be appropriate. Something for the future perhaps.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Hillary Clinton lost because people don't like her.
She is mediocre campaigner who had to follow two really good campaigners, her husband and Barack Obama. And they just made her look worse than she was.
She was put in the position of having to campaign by a political party with its head so far up its ass that it couldn't see the citizenry just the lamb roast it had for dinner.

AND ALL of this happened in a liberal bubble that was bound to pop and did.

 

[skepticalbip]

I never said it was. I said the petty name calling is pathetic.

But you agreed with this quote, "Why the hell is anyone being legally allowed to vote for people I don't want in office. Anyone who votes for someone who I don't approve of is obviously an idiot so shouldn't be allowed to vote."

And, sorry, Trump voters factually made an idiotic choice.

Damned dude. don't you recognize humor? That bit you quoted was sarcasm. It was a parody of the the thought behind the typical post on this forum.

Many, many on this forum have no tolerance for opposing political thought and disdain for anyone who would dare to disagree with them politically.

ETA:
On second thought, maybe it was like trying to parody the absurdity of something an evangelical Christian would say... the more absurd it is the more it will be taken for a serious statement.

 

[TSwizzle]

But you agreed with this quote, "Why the hell is anyone being legally allowed to vote for people I don't want in office. Anyone who votes for someone who I don't approve of is obviously an idiot so shouldn't be allowed to vote."

And, sorry, Trump voters factually made an idiotic choice.

Damned dude. don't you recognize humor? That bit you quoted was sarcasm. It was a parody of the the thought behind the typical post on this forum.

And they boldly tell us how thick Trump voters are

 

[blastula]

It's a weak joke for the reason I gave. It's premised on the idea that people should not be upset about how others vote.

 

[skepticalbip]

It's a weak joke for the reason I gave. It's premised on the idea that people should not be upset about how others vote.

It is expected that people would be upset if their chosen candidate loses. However, it is arrogance, intolerance, and disdain that would lead someone to blame the loss on the ignorance of the opposition. Their candidate lost because they didn't appeal to the concerns of the voters. A loss should call for reexamining one's own beliefs and the candidate they offered.

The political foundations of others being different only means they are different. The intolerance of other political thought and animosity toward those who disagree reminds me of the mentality that lead to the conflict in the Balkans.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

It's a weak joke for the reason I gave. It's premised on the idea that people should not be upset about how others vote.

It is expected that people would be upset if their chosen candidate loses. However, it is arrogance, intolerance, and disdain that would lead someone to blame the loss on the ignorance of the opposition. Their candidate lost because they didn't appeal to the concerns of the voters. A loss should call for reexamining one's own beliefs and the candidate they offered.

The political foundations of others being different only means they are different. The intolerance of other political thought and animosity toward those who disagree reminds me of the mentality that lead to the conflict in the Balkans.

But what if the way that they are different is "they are more ignorant than I am"?

 

[LordKiran]

It is expected that people would be upset if their chosen candidate loses. However, it is arrogance, intolerance, and disdain that would lead someone to blame the loss on the ignorance of the opposition. Their candidate lost because they didn't appeal to the concerns of the voters. A loss should call for reexamining one's own beliefs and the candidate they offered.

The political foundations of others being different only means they are different. The intolerance of other political thought and animosity toward those who disagree reminds me of the mentality that lead to the conflict in the Balkans.

But what if the way that they are different is "they are more ignorant than I am"?

If you'll pardon the pun:

Same difference.

Wether you choose to work with or against the president elect if your business but this idea that those who supported him are ignorant morons is the same arrogant position of presumed superiority that lost Clinton the election to begin with.

 

[blastula]

It's a weak joke for the reason I gave. It's premised on the idea that people should not be upset about how others vote.

It is expected that people would be upset if their chosen candidate loses. However, it is arrogance, intolerance, and disdain that would lead someone to blame the loss on the ignorance of the opposition. Their candidate lost because they didn't appeal to the concerns of the voters. A loss should call for reexamining one's own beliefs and the candidate they offered.

The political foundations of others being different only means they are different. The intolerance of other political thought and animosity toward those who disagree reminds me of the mentality that lead to the conflict in the Balkans.

You proved my point, you are denying that voters can make bad choices. You are not only denying that political foundations can be wrong, you are likewise denying that voters can make a self-defeating choice for their political goals.

 

[skepticalbip]

It is expected that people would be upset if their chosen candidate loses. However, it is arrogance, intolerance, and disdain that would lead someone to blame the loss on the ignorance of the opposition. Their candidate lost because they didn't appeal to the concerns of the voters. A loss should call for reexamining one's own beliefs and the candidate they offered.

The political foundations of others being different only means they are different. The intolerance of other political thought and animosity toward those who disagree reminds me of the mentality that lead to the conflict in the Balkans.

You proved my point, you are denying that voters can make bad choices. You are not only denying that political foundations can be wrong,

WTF are you talking about. Wrong based on what political philosophy. A choice that would be wrong for a socialist system can be correct for a capitalist system and vice-versa. There are many more political philosophies than the particular one you hold and what would be right someone holding one of them would be wrong for you (and vice-versa).

you are likewise denying that voters can make a self-defeating choice for their political goals.

Not denying it at all. In fact, I have pointed out that the Democrat party nominating Clinton was a poor choice for their political goals as evidenced by the fact that the choice put the Democrat party out of power.