The Death of Expertise

[untermensche]

So you're a dime a dozen software "specialist"?

I suppose when the subject of software comes up you will finally have something interesting to say.

Now there you go again. You didn't criticize one's description of work. you denigrating a class of objective software professionals work with the adhom "dime a dozen" perjorative because it makes you feel good. You provided no objective input like noting the fact that he does just as I prescribe, evaluates the work of - let's call them professional technicians for comparisons's sake - providing useful and profitable critical review and other topic constructive input. That qualifies him as an expert.

He just let you have a little rub of cheek when he mentioned his home and dog situation.

If you can't raise your game you can expect to be shown up for not doing so.

As I understand it this is a discussion board not an adversarial winner-loser board.

Many of us expect to gain information and come to resolution here. Not you apparently.

You're full of shit.

I attack ignorant harassment, yes.

It deserves to be attacked.

If you can't see it then you are blind.

 

[beero1000]

It makes me wonder, how could someone prove their expertise in a given language to someone who doesn't speak it?

As Wittgenstein put it:

It is what human beings say that is false and true; and they agree in the language they use. That is not agreement in opinions but in form of life.

P.I.241

I think his point is that there has to be a great deal of agreement about everything else before the possibility of proof or disagreement about anything even becomes possible.

So no. (according to yet another mad German)

But having a mutually agreed upon base of understanding could be construed as being members of a CULT!!!1!

 

[Subsymbolic]

As Wittgenstein put it:



P.I.241

I think his point is that there has to be a great deal of agreement about everything else before the possibility of proof or disagreement about anything even becomes possible.

So no. (according to yet another mad German)

But having a mutually agreed upon base of understanding could be construed as being members of a CULT!!!1!

Actually, I'm pretty certain it's also precisely what Kuhn means by a paradigm, and when he finally does give his exact definition in some obscure footnote in the fourth edition he's pretty well admitting that the difference between indoctrination and learning the field is hard to defend and that paradigms look pretty cult like right down to changing the way you actually perceive.

But I'm trying to think what a cult made up of a single person is. Less L and more N I suppose.

 

[beero1000]

But having a mutually agreed upon base of understanding could be construed as being members of a CULT!!!1!

Actually, I'm pretty certain it's also precisely what Kuhn means by a paradigm, and when he finally does give his exact definition in some obscure footnote in the fourth edition he's pretty well admitting that the difference between indoctrination and learning the field is hard to defend and that paradigms look pretty cult like right down to changing the way you actually perceive.

But I'm trying to think what a cult made up of a single person is. Less L and more N I suppose.

Yeah, and it's almost as if there aren't really objective levels of expertise; they are all actually relative to the knowledge of the culture recognizing the expert. Shocking!

 

[Subsymbolic]

But having a mutually agreed upon base of understanding could be construed as being members of a CULT!!!1!

Actually, I'm pretty certain it's also precisely what Kuhn means by a paradigm, and when he finally does give his exact definition in some obscure footnote in the fourth edition he's pretty well admitting that the difference between indoctrination and learning the field is hard to defend and that paradigms look pretty cult like right down to changing the way you actually perceive.

But I'm trying to think what a cult made up of a single person is. Less L and more N I suppose.

Yeah, and it's almost as if there aren't really objective levels of expertise; they are all actually relative to the knowledge of the culture recognizing the expert. Shocking!

I got to the end of Super Mario Brothers once... I never realised it was an exam!

 

[fromderinside]

You're full of shit.

I attack ignorant harassment, yes.

It deserves to be attacked.

If you can't see it then you are blind.

Nope. Just wanting to trigger another dumb ass whine like the one you just whined.

If you were a crook you'd actually have a plastic toy gun and we'd be past you by now. Unfortunately you're just a badly cracked mirror.

I am an analogy expert.

 

[untermensche]

You're full of shit.

I attack ignorant harassment, yes.

It deserves to be attacked.

If you can't see it then you are blind.

Nope. Just wanting to trigger another dumb ass whine like the one you just whined.

If you were a crook you'd actually have a plastic toy gun and we'd be past you by now. Unfortunately you're just a badly cracked mirror.

I am an analogy expert.

Your making light of constant ignorant harassment is noted.

Your stance on matters is noted.

I just must say it does not look good for you.

 

[Subsymbolic]

You're full of shit.

I attack ignorant harassment, yes.

It deserves to be attacked.

If you can't see it then you are blind.

Nope. Just wanting to trigger another dumb ass whine like the one you just whined.

If you were a crook you'd actually have a plastic toy gun and we'd be past you by now. Unfortunately you're just a badly cracked mirror.

I am an analogy expert.

Your making light of constant ignorant harassment is noted.

Your stance on matters is noted.

I just must say it does not look good for you.

The report button remains where it was...

 

[untermensche]

I can assure you. I am not threatening to report somebody. I wouldn't know how to do it.

I do not like secret trials of any kind.

I am just giving my opinion.

 

[Subsymbolic]

I can assure you. I am not threatening to report somebody. I wouldn't know how to do it.

That's how this forum works. Seriously, if you feel that the rules are being broken, report it. Personally I think you are the ones breaking the rules and when you do I'll report it without a second thought and assume that the mods here will try to deal as fairly as the mod team over at SC do. However, I'm acutely aware that mine isn't the only POV and it makes more sense to allow the management to sort things out. So yes, if you don't like it report it. That includes me.

 

[untermensche]

I can assure you. I am not threatening to report somebody. I wouldn't know how to do it.

That's how this forum works. Seriously, if you feel that the rules are being broken, report it. Personally I think you are the ones breaking the rules and when you do I'll report it without a second thought and assume that the mods here will try to deal as fairly as the mod team over at SC do. However, I'm acutely aware that mine isn't the only POV and it makes more sense to allow the management to sort things out. So yes, if you don't like it report it. That includes me.

I don't complain to anybody about rules.

I tell people that take things out of context what that kind of behavior is.

And you know it.

 

[Subsymbolic]

I can assure you. I am not threatening to report somebody. I wouldn't know how to do it.

That's how this forum works. Seriously, if you feel that the rules are being broken, report it. Personally I think you are the ones breaking the rules and when you do I'll report it without a second thought and assume that the mods here will try to deal as fairly as the mod team over at SC do. However, I'm acutely aware that mine isn't the only POV and it makes more sense to allow the management to sort things out. So yes, if you don't like it report it. That includes me.

I don't complain to anybody about rules.

I tell people that take things out of context what that kind of behavior is.

And you know it.

You have been complaining to anyone who would listen. I'm saying you should complain to the management. I can fully understand why you wouldn't want to: you know damn well you are way out of order in the way you behave.

 

[untermensche]

Unless you have some point we are done here.

You like to remove things from context.

It is a dishonest practice.

 

[fromderinside]

Some thoughts and conjectures.

I don't think untermenche can support his posts as informative, authoritative, or even relevant.

No supporting evidence in his pronouncements should give us all pause as to whether we're actually trading posts with a bot.

I'm still partial to my cracked mirror analogy for his behavior. Someone makes a claim based on stated argument and gets in return an unsupported string of returned conclusions is what I've observed in the bot's posts.

Based on the certainty of his proclamations and the emptiness of their content I wonder are his claims to experience based on experiences as institutional client for both behavior and drugs? Certainly no professional would treat communication as if he were high priest.

 

[untermensche]

You are supporting mindless harassment.

Not somebody saying an idea is bad because they have an alternative.

Not somebody even saying anything.

Just a link too some obscure topic that has nothing to do with anything.

You are supporting this.

You should be ashamed.

 

[fromderinside]

I simply summarized the nature of your posts as empty unreferenced statements.

I choose to speculate on the nature of your claimed expertise in relation to your response behavior.

Reflections are difficult things to read especially if they are bringing home truths in the one mirrored.

 

[untermensche]

I simply summarized the nature of your posts as empty unreferenced statements.

I choose to speculate on the nature of your claimed expertise in relation to your response behavior.

Reflections are difficult things to read especially if they are bringing home truths in the one mirrored.

My posts contain ideas.

I do not need to reference ideas.

That you think it is possible shows you have trouble with ideas.

 

[fromderinside]

My posts contain ideas.

No. Your posts convey disparagement of the person.

I do not need to reference ideas.

You do. Your initial statements are idea lacking. Actually they are just pure negativity toward the person to whom you are posting.

That you think it is possible shows you have trouble with ideas.

I need not think about any statement you make that is completely lacking in relevant content, especially those which have no substance.

 

[untermensche]

Is saying a person does "something" with their mind and they can move their arm in a planned manner in need of reference?

Does saying a person can consider ideas in their mind and come up with new ideas in need of reference?

You do not get references because you have nothing that can address this.

Talking about primitive fear reflexes is changing the subject.

 

[fromderinside]

Reporting belief needs reference beyond your personal experience. What are findings from studies dealing with any aspect of what youd believe would be nice for starters. i need to see what you do in response to my request before we can move on. I suspect you will just repeat the same thing in different words which is not actually providing evidence. When I have a discussion with someone it needs to be a discussion that can move forward based on material evidence. If all you can come up with is personal spouts then there is no motive for me to continue discussion since such a discussion can go nowhere.

By the way making a personal claim needs more information about the state of the person claiming just to get others to have a chance to buy in. So the answer to all to all your "does it need" queries is yes.