Political discourse cannot have a goal. It's a category error. Political discourses are not the kind of things we can cogently say have goals. People have goals.
I don't believe you could have any convincing argument to support your opinion here. It seems to be broadly the same kind of distinction as a glass half full or a glass half empty. You may be too socially pessimistic for my own taste. Or less generous of character. Too conservative or rightwing perhaps. Or whatever.
Not true in my recollection.
You repeated a lie about one of your political opponents that's being spread by your political allies, you didn't care enough whether it was true to bother checking before you helped spread it, and after that you have the gall to accuse me of being less generous of character. That is entirely normal behavior for politically correct shamers.
So take your own advice. PC shamers constantly misrepresent other people, sometimes causing seriously harmful consequences for them. They ought to take responsibility for that and mend their ways. But if PC shamers were ever to collectively adopt the practice of fact-checking their accusations before making them, that would cause the PC meme set's "R0" basic reproduction number to drop below 1.0, and the current instantiation of the PC phenomenon would die out.
In order for the repetition to be a lie (instead of a honest mischaracterization, ignorance or simple sloppiness), the speaker would need to know it was false. You have presented no evidence that the Kaine or speakpigeon spread a remark that they know is false.
As did you. A lie is a knowingly false claim. In order for someone to repeat or spread a lie (as opposed to an untrue claim), then either the originator of the claim knew it was false or the repeater of the claim must know it is false. You provided no evidence to support either basis for the claim it is a lie.
So where the bejesus did I say either Kaine or speakpigeon spread a remark that they know is false? What, when a lie is half way round the world before the truth has its boots on, you think as soon as not everybody repeating it knows it's false it magically stops being a lie? That's not how it works. Many people in the chain of transmission have to have heard Trump's original remark and known he didn't say all Mexicans are rapists. Everybody else in the chain of transmission made a false damaging accusation with reckless disregard for the truth.
Wow - another shaming and bullying tactic. Whether it is shameful is a different issue than whether it is a "lie".
Wrong. For it to be a lie, it is sufficient if one of the intermediaries between the originator and a current repeater knew it was false. In any event, the originator of the rumor must have heard Trump's original utterance, which means he or she was probably lying, though of course we can't rule out the possibility that he or she was merely a complete idiot. But the rumor has been propagated so widely, by so many people, that it almost certainly passed through many mouths/fingers before reaching speakpigeon. Trump's original words were also widely reported, which makes it unlikely that none of the many unidentifiable people between the originator and speakpigeon never heard them. So to get the odds in favor of this false rumor being a deliberate lie, we have to square or cube the odds against the originator being a complete idiot who made an honest mistake.
Trump's original words are sufficient evidence in themselves to make it more likely than not that the originator of the rumor knew it was false.
Of course whether it is shameful is a different issue than whether it is a "lie"; but since I didn't accuse speakpigeon of knowing it was false but rather of doing something shameful, it's perfectly reasonable for us to focus on the shamefulness of what he did rather than on your obsessive need to believe my inability to achieve proof beyond reasonable doubt makes me a hypocrite. This is not a criminal case; preponderance of the evidence is all we need; everyone who spread the rumor after hearing Trump's original words being a complete idiot is possible but quite improbable. And even if, against all odds, the rumor speakpigeon repeated was not a lie but was merely libelous, spreading libelous rumors is just as shameful.
Your conjectures, guesse and imputations about motives and intelligence are not factual evidence. You have failed to produce an iota of evidence to support your claim that either Kaine or speakpigeon knew it was false.
You are entitled to your opinions. You are entitled to confuse your guesses, conjectures and opinions with fact. You are entitled to base your bullying and shaming tactics on your opinions and guesses. You are entitled to jump into discussions and shame and bully other posters over claims you believe are dishonest. And you are entitled to be a hypocrite over this issue. But you mistaken if you think you are entitled to get a pass on your hypocritical shaming and bullying tactics.
Utter nonsense, of course it makes sense to any fair minded person. You did not write that it is possible (or probable) that Kaine's statement was a lie You did not write "I believe Kaine lied about Trump based on ..... but I do not know it for a fact." You made an absolute claim of fact. That is either sloppy communication or intellectually dishonesty. And it is a glaring error given your willingness to throw around accusations based on such a tenuous conclusion
You are delusional. I made no claim about what Kaine or speakpigeon knew. They repeated a lie. It's very common for one person to repeat another person's lie without knowing it was false. Is English perhaps not your first language?
I did not say you had made such a claim. Perhaps you need to take a refresher course in reading comprehension and in basic reasoning.
Anyone familiar with the English language and basic reasoning understands the difference between a lie and an untrue claim. Without any evidence, you conflate the true in order to castigate someone and a group of people.
