The fascist mindset

[DrZoidberg]

Here's an interesting comparison between Anders Behring Breivik and the UNA-bomber. The mind of the paranoid right-wing fanatic

Manifestos compared

Kaczynski: One of the most widespread manifestations of the craziness of our world is leftism, so a discussion of the psychology of leftism can serve as an introduction to the discussion of the problems of modern society in general.

Breivik: One of the most widespread manifestations of the craziness of our world is multiculturalism, so a discussion of the psychology of multiculturalists can serve as an introduction to the discussion of the problems of Western Europe in general.

Kaczynski: But what is leftism? During the first half of the 20th century leftism could have been practically identified with socialism. Today the movement is fragmented and it is not clear who can properly be called a leftist.

Breivik: But what is multiculturalism or Cultural Communism? The movement is fragmented and it is not clear who can properly be called a cultural Marxist.

Kaczynski: Political correctness has its stronghold among university professors, who have secure employment with comfortable salaries, and the majority of whom are heterosexual, white males from middle-class families.

Breivik: Political correctness has its stronghold among government employees, politicians, university professors and journalists and publishers in government broadcasting companies who have secure employment with comfortable salaries, and the majority of whom are heterosexual, ethnic Europeans from middle-class families.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36399515

 

[untermensche]

The left is about tolerance.

It is the only place where tolerance is even talked about.

Intolerance may not be from the right but it is most definitely not from the left and to say it is is merely to not know what the left is.

 

[J842P]

It's hard to put Kaczynski anywhere on the right-left scale. He was certainly anti-Leftist, but I don't think you can call him a fascist or a right-winger. He was no nationalist, at least. His problem wasn't really with Left-wing politics as it was with industrialized society. He idealized hunter-gatherers. Hardly a fascist.

 

[Derec]

The left is about tolerance.

You funny, unter! All you have to do is go to a college campus to disabuse yourself of that notion.

 

[untermensche]

The left is about tolerance.

You funny, unter! All you have to do is go to a college campus to disabuse yourself of that notion.

You can call them on the "left".

But your label is simply ignorance of what the left stands for.

 

[abaddon]

It's hard to put Kaczynski anywhere on the right-left scale. He was certainly anti-Leftist, but I don't think you can call him a fascist or a right-winger. He was no nationalist, at least. His problem wasn't really with Left-wing politics as it was with industrialized society. He idealized hunter-gatherers. Hardly a fascist.

I’m not sure on that, I think that was a criticism Kaczinski made of John Zerzan, that Zerzan idolizes hunter-gatherers (which indeed he does). Zerzan had been trying to “correct” Kaczinski for not tracing the troubles with civilization back far enough since Kaczinski's focus was on industrialism.

I don’t know what to call radical primitivism. It’s a call for the traditionalism of ages ago, which in a way is pretty damn conservative. But then it’s also a call for radical change of the status quo, which is what most conservatives are terrified of, they're scared change will unleash chaos so only just recent changes should be undone in order to “make the nation great again”.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

For fascism, the inventor of fascism, Benito Mussolini is the ultimate authority. Mussolini defined Fascism as anti-Liberal, both in the economic sense and the political sense.

http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm
THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM BENITO MUSSOLINI (1932)

Its not really good to discuss what fascism really is without understanding it's source.

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"Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and the economic sphere. The importance of liberalism in the XIXth century should not be exaggerated for present day polemical purposes, nor should we make of one of the many doctrines which flourished in that century a religion for mankind for the present and for all time to come."

 

[untermensche]

People think that US leaders were originally opposed to Hitler and Mussolini.

That couldn't be more wrong.

They were both praised by many US leaders, especially business leaders, up until Hitler took Czechoslovakia and it was not possible to support them openly after that.

But of course many Americans did support them both, in secret, long after that.

 

[fast]

It's amazing what some can tolerate. Like unattended young children running around a restaurant. But, when toleration leads to acceptance, it's hardly toleration anymore. We can sometimes tolerate certain human behavior, but we're not merely encouraged to tolerate crap, but we're encouraged to do even more.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

The left is about tolerance.

You funny, unter! All you have to do is go to a college campus to disabuse yourself of that notion.

Is it really fair to say that the low number of "SJWs" on college campuses represent what most liberals think about tolerance?

 

[untermensche]

You funny, unter! All you have to do is go to a college campus to disabuse yourself of that notion.

Is it really fair to say that the low number of "SJWs" on college campuses represent what most liberals think about tolerance?

They are kids playing with petty power.

They think their little demonstrations are changing the world.

Kids.

Not the left.

 

[DrZoidberg]

The left is about tolerance.

It is the only place where tolerance is even talked about.

Intolerance may not be from the right but it is most definitely not from the left and to say it is is merely to not know what the left is.

Nah. I think that's the No True Scotsman Fallacy. You just don't identify with the intolerant leftists. The right-left dichotomy has nothing to do with tolerance. Both sides are all over the map. Leftists can be extremely intolerant. The political correctness movement is all left, and all extremely intolerant.

I think the right often talks about tolerance. But their stance is so entrenched and unified that they don't come across as being aware of it. Good luck trying to get anybody on the American right to support infringements on free press. That is evidence of tolerance.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Well, everyone's in favour of free speech and tolerance of a person's views if they agree with those views. It's when you disagree with those views and are still expected to be tolerant of them that people run into trouble.

Anyone who disagrees with me about that is a Nazi and needs to have the government forcibly silence them.

 

[untermensche]

The left is about tolerance.

It is the only place where tolerance is even talked about.

Intolerance may not be from the right but it is most definitely not from the left and to say it is is merely to not know what the left is.

Nah. I think that's the No True Scotsman Fallacy. You just don't identify with the intolerant leftists. The right-left dichotomy has nothing to do with tolerance. Both sides are all over the map. Leftists can be extremely intolerant. The political correctness movement is all left, and all extremely intolerant.

I think the right often talks about tolerance. But their stance is so entrenched and unified that they don't come across as being aware of it. Good luck trying to get anybody on the American right to support infringements on free press. That is evidence of tolerance.

It is the opposite of the No True Scotsman Fallacy.

I am giving a specific feature of being on the left, being liberal minded. Tolerance of people that are different who are causing nobody any harm.

I am not saying that no such cases exist. There are many tolerant people.

And as I said, being intolerant doesn't mean you are on the right, but it does mean you are not truly on the left.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Nah. I think that's the No True Scotsman Fallacy. You just don't identify with the intolerant leftists. The right-left dichotomy has nothing to do with tolerance. Both sides are all over the map. Leftists can be extremely intolerant. The political correctness movement is all left, and all extremely intolerant.

I think the right often talks about tolerance. But their stance is so entrenched and unified that they don't come across as being aware of it. Good luck trying to get anybody on the American right to support infringements on free press. That is evidence of tolerance.

It is the opposite of the No True Scotsman Fallacy.

I am giving a specific feature of being on the left, being liberal minded. Tolerance of people that are different who are causing nobody any harm.

I am not saying that no such cases exist. There are many tolerant people.

And as I said, being intolerant doesn't mean you are on the right, but it does mean you are not truly on the left.

So how do you explain that the political correctness crowd is exclusively leftist? It's not an insignificant group in society

 

[untermensche]

It is the opposite of the No True Scotsman Fallacy.

I am giving a specific feature of being on the left, being liberal minded. Tolerance of people that are different who are causing nobody any harm.

I am not saying that no such cases exist. There are many tolerant people.

And as I said, being intolerant doesn't mean you are on the right, but it does mean you are not truly on the left.

So how do you explain that the political correctness crowd is exclusively leftist? It's not an insignificant group in society

How are they on the left?

The left is about increasing democracy. Increasing participation. Reducing authoritarian control.

And tolerance goes hand in hand with this.

How are they on the left?

 

[DrZoidberg]

So how do you explain that the political correctness crowd is exclusively leftist? It's not an insignificant group in society

How are they on the left?

The left is about increasing democracy. Increasing participation. Reducing authoritarian control.

And tolerance goes hand in hand with this.

How are they on the left?

I'm pretty sure the right says the exact same thing. Both the left and right say they're for freedom. Both are for increased freedom in their own way.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

How are they on the left?

The left is about increasing democracy. Increasing participation. Reducing authoritarian control.

And tolerance goes hand in hand with this.

How are they on the left?

I'm pretty sure the right says the exact same thing. Both the left and right say they're for freedom. Both are for increased freedom in their own way.

I'd have to see who frequents nude beaches more, conservatives or liberals. Then I'll know for sure.

One can be extremely committed to civil rights, even call them a hardcore civil rights activist who gets in your face. But big fucking deal. In the end they want to increase voter participation. The right wants no such action. That's the difference, not whether they have an attitude.

 

[Derec]

How are they on the left?
The left is about increasing democracy. Increasing participation. Reducing authoritarian control

Even leftist dictators find your statement amusingly naive.

 

[Bomb#20]

The left is about tolerance.

It is the only place where tolerance is even talked about.

Intolerance may not be from the right but it is most definitely not from the left and to say it is is merely to not know what the left is.

Nah. I think that's the No True Scotsman Fallacy. You just don't identify with the intolerant leftists. The right-left dichotomy has nothing to do with tolerance. Both sides are all over the map. Leftists can be extremely intolerant. The political correctness movement is all left, and all extremely intolerant.

I think the right often talks about tolerance. But their stance is so entrenched and unified that they don't come across as being aware of it. Good luck trying to get anybody on the American right to support infringements on free press. That is evidence of tolerance.

The problem isn't that untermensche doesn't identify with intolerant leftists. He does. We know which leftists he identifies with: the Spanish Anarchists. He's offered them to us countless times as his example of leftism done properly. The problem is that he deliberately blinds himself to the intolerance of the leftists he identifies with.

"Catholicism must be swept away implacably. We demand not that every church be destroyed, but that no vestige of religion should remain in any of them and that the black spider of fanaticism should not be allowed to spin the viscous and dusty web in which our moral and material values have until now been caught like flies. In Spain, more than any other country, the Catholic church has been at the head of every retrograde aim, of every measure taken against the people, of every attack on liberty." -- a 1936 editorial in the CNT's mouthpiece publication

People rarely categorize intolerance directed toward their outgroups as intolerance.

Well, everyone's in favour of free speech and tolerance of a person's views if they agree with those views. It's when you disagree with those views and are still expected to be tolerant of them that people run into trouble.

Anyone who disagrees with me about that is a Nazi and needs to have the government forcibly silence them.

^^^^ This ^^^^