The Führer Principle

[steve_bank]

http://teacher.sduhsd.net/tpsocialsciences/world_history/totalitarianism_ww2/fuhrer.htm


""The Führer-Reich of the [German] people is founded on the recognition that the true will of the people cannot be disclosed through parliamentary votes and plebiscites but that the will of the people in its pure and uncorrupted form can only be expressed through the Führer. "

Our cultural norms and separation of powersare being tested but are holding. Given worse economic conditions who knows what Trump could incite. He is destroying the judicial branch and coopting Congress and discrediting the media. The only truth is Trump. Hitler's progression.

Certainly not all, many conservatives stand ar attentiion with erect penis gazing at Trump. They are like automatons without a soul or will unable to act as individuals. They lavish praise on Trump to feed his ego. A personality cult without exageration.

We are setting a dangerous precedent.

 

[braces_for_impact]

Twas the GOP that set this dangerous precedent in the first place. In my mind, it can be traced right back to the death of the fairness doctrine. The right was ready and rarin' to go when this concept fell. The attacks on science, the death of expertise as "elitism". The intertwining of religion and politics. The spreading of fake news, and indeed, their very own propaganda arm called Fox News. They set the stage for this, and it all went into overdrive when a black guy became president. Now, the techniques that were so successful against the Democrats are being used to keep the right firmly supporting Trump by controlling their base. Unfortunately, the country has to reap what the GOP has sown.

 

[BH]

Why do people in many circles consider you an elitist if you insist the people giving advice and doing certain jobs have a certain level of expertise those not doing said jobs don't have? Something would be wrong with our education system if people went to school for four, six, ten years to prepare for an academic type job or four to six year for a vocational type position and someone without training could come in and do those jobs with little to no training. There is something wrong if the experts really aren't experts and don't know a lot more than you if you haven't studied that subject academically or vocationally.

I have a cousin getting a PhD in psychology. She was talking to me about what her study load entails. The most I have ever read on a subject is around 90 books and even that just gave me a good general overview of the subject at best. I have never looked at on line academic journals on a daily basis and reading two or three articles a day. I have never had any purely clinical classes for observation purposes or methodilogical practice. I wouldn't know ape from Adam concerning psychology. Why someone would be upset she is an expert is beyond me. Something would be wrong if she wasn't and didn't know a lot more tham me or anyone else not going through such a program.

Granted, I still think for the most part she should have to obey the laws everyone else has to, when she visits my house have basic courtesy, ect. but there is nothing wrong with admitting on that one particular subject she is "better" than me or others. It is just insane to think different.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Why do people in many circles consider you an elitist if you insist the people giving advice and doing certain jobs have a certain level of expertise those not doing said jobs don't have?

Doctors? Bunch of medical elitists.

Mechanics, what do they know about cars that I don't.

I don't need no stinking contractor to build a house.

Teachers don't know anything!

Historians are a bunch of liberal elitists that don't understand America.

Granted, I still think for the most part she should have to obey the laws everyone else has to, when she visits my house have basic courtesy, ect. but there is nothing wrong with admitting on that one particular subject she is "better" than me or others. It is just insane to think different.

You dare question the infallible gut?!

 

[RVonse]

Why do people in many circles consider you an elitist if you insist the people giving advice and doing certain jobs have a certain level of expertise those not doing said jobs don't have? Something would be wrong with our education system if people went to school for four, six, ten years to prepare for an academic type job or four to six year for a vocational type position and someone without training could come in and do those jobs with little to no training. There is something wrong if the experts really aren't experts and don't know a lot more than you if you haven't studied that subject academically or vocationally.

I have a cousin getting a PhD in psychology. She was talking to me about what her study load entails. The most I have ever read on a subject is around 90 books and even that just gave me a good general overview of the subject at best. I have never looked at on line academic journals on a daily basis and reading two or three articles a day. I have never had any purely clinical classes for observation purposes or methodilogical practice. I wouldn't know ape from Adam concerning psychology. Why someone would be upset she is an expert is beyond me. Something would be wrong if she wasn't and didn't know a lot more tham me or anyone else not going through such a program. Fortunately for us, people with common sense generally can relate to and vote for others who also have common sense.

Granted, I still think for the most part she should have to obey the laws everyone else has to, when she visits my house have basic courtesy, ect. but there is nothing wrong with admitting on that one particular subject she is "better" than me or others. It is just insane to think different.

Because there is a huge difference between "common sense" and a technical discipline. They can go together, but more often than not common sense has nothing to do with formal education. You see it all the time in everyday life. Nerdy type people who can solve any rocket equation but still don't have the sense to come in out of the rain. Or you can see people like Steve Jobs who had a huge amount of common sense but no degree in anything.

Politics is almost all about common sense. And most of it comes from wisdom rather than education. That is why the founders wisely decided that it was not important to have a technical degree or special diploma in order to become a representative of our people. Fortunately people who do have common sense generally are able to cast votes for others who also have common sense as well.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Why do people in many circles consider you an elitist if you insist the people giving advice and doing certain jobs have a certain level of expertise those not doing said jobs don't have?

In the ancient Greek democracy, the forum would only allow the doctor to discuss medicine, and only allow the shipwright to discuss ship building, but anybody could discuss politics. Anybody.

 

[Underseer]

http://teacher.sduhsd.net/tpsocialsciences/world_history/totalitarianism_ww2/fuhrer.htm


""The Führer-Reich of the [German] people is founded on the recognition that the true will of the people cannot be disclosed through parliamentary votes and plebiscites but that the will of the people in its pure and uncorrupted form can only be expressed through the Führer. "

Our cultural norms and separation of powersare being tested but are holding. Given worse economic conditions who knows what Trump could incite. He is destroying the judicial branch and coopting Congress and discrediting the media. The only truth is Trump. Hitler's progression.

Certainly not all, many conservatives stand ar attentiion with erect penis gazing at Trump. They are like automatons without a soul or will unable to act as individuals. They lavish praise on Trump to feed his ego. A personality cult without exageration.

We are setting a dangerous precedent.

Conservatives and libertarians (who are completely different, honest!) have spent decades pushing policies designed specifically to step on the necks of the undeserving poor and middle class for the benefit of rich people and large corporations (the economic elites).

They deliberately created the economic problems and stoked the fires of racism to make the Trump election possible.

And you can't tell me they didn't understand the potential dangers of harming the majority for the benefit of a few economic elites. Even if they never read Plato, every fascist regime in the 20^th century started out more or less the same way as Plato warned: resentment over economic disparity leads to people making bad/desperate voting decisions until you end up with a demagogue who becomes a tyrant, and then systematically exterminates the other elites because now they are threats to the power of the dictator.

They knew damn well what fires they were playing with when they decided to fuck over the middle class so that a few economic elites could become even more elites.

Democracies such as we used to have simply don't survive large wealth gaps.

Even if we get rid of Trump, decades of right wing propaganda pretty much guarantee that the train will keep going with the next idiot demagogue willing to blame minorities and external populations.

The only way out of this is to convince millions of rightists that they were wrong about a number of things. Good luck with that. I hope the next demagogue in the White House is slightly less bad than Trump instead of worse.