Koyaanisqatsi
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This is not evidence.
You have never once presented any evidence so stfu.
This is not evidence.
This is not evidence.
You have never once presented any evidence so stfu.
This is not evidence.
You have never once presented any evidence so stfu.
I am not claiming color production is a function of memory.
This is the order of things.
To have a memory first requires having an experience.
The experience of [a wavelength of] color [and everything that was happening at the time of the stimulus striking the retinae] must exist before the memory can exist.
Anything that is experiencedcould theoretically beis stored in memory.
Something that has been experienced many times will potentially be remembered extremely well.
So well a person can use their memory to imagine a color.
But imagining a color and experiencing a color within the visual experience are completely different processes.
I am not claiming color production is a function of memory.
Nor am I.
The order of things is still experience first memory second.
The experience is the whole process of stimulus to retrieval to update to re-storage, which all takes place in a few millliseconds, if that.
The experience is the whole process of stimulus to retrieval to update to re-storage, which all takes place in a few millliseconds, if that.
No.
There is no experience of the stimuli.
There is only experience of some end product that was constructed using the stimuli.
And you are right the stimuli is seemingly instantaneously transformed from one kind of information into an entirely different kind of information.
You see a young woman wearing a blue dress. Stimulus. This stimulus triggers associated memories (e.g., "first girlfriend wore similar blue dress"; "mother died wearing a blue dress"; "the color of my first car was blue"; "that girl in the blue dress is pretty and I want to have sex with her;" etc., etc., etc.).
No, not "entirely different kind
A rock exists, rock is a definition of a category of objects. Etc etc etc...The barb dies create a color. There are red, teen, and blue sensors in the eye. Shades of color are the result of relative levels in the RGB sensors. Just like color TV.
Ever have a vivid color dream? Ever daydream in color?
What you see is essentially a TV screen created by the brain. Yes vision is a product of the brain, it is generically wired with nervous system and brain. Colors are filled in. From experiment every one does not have the exact same perceptions. We learn to interpret color.
Shown experimental some critters other than humans have color vision some do not. Some see into the ultraviolet. Some see infrared.
Carrion birds are attracted to the color of blood and guts.
The light has different wavelengths. It has no color.
Color is something a brain creates in response to differing wavelengths of EM energy.
There is no blue light. No blue objects.
There is colorless energy of differing wavelengths that a brain turns into blue.
The only place blue exists is as an experience. In the mind.
I don't know how many other ways I could say this before you comprehend.
Color is something a brain turns colorless EM energy into.
A rock exists, rock is a definition of a category of objects. Etc etc etc...The barb dies create a color. There are red, teen, and blue sensors in the eye. Shades of color are the result of relative levels in the RGB sensors. Just like color TV.
Ever have a vivid color dream? Ever daydream in color?
What you see is essentially a TV screen created by the brain. Yes vision is a product of the brain, it is generically wired with nervous system and brain. Colors are filled in. From experiment every one does not have the exact same perceptions. We learn to interpret color.
Shown experimental some critters other than humans have color vision some do not. Some see into the ultraviolet. Some see infrared.
Carrion birds are attracted to the color of blood and guts.
The light has different wavelengths. It has no color.
Color is something a brain creates in response to differing wavelengths of EM energy.
There is no blue light. No blue objects.
There is colorless energy of differing wavelengths that a brain turns into blue.
The only place blue exists is as an experience. In the mind.
I don't know how many other ways I could say this before you comprehend.
Color is something a brain turns colorless EM energy into.
Still do not see thy point you are trying to make. Agreed the brain creates the perception we have of the grup of wavelengths we cal bloe. Blue as a rag is arbiter. We could call zitbog.
The band of wavelengths we call blue excites the retina which sends bioelectric signals to the brain which creates what we call vision. How is it blue does not exist? What do you mean when you say blue?
Blue light is a definition. Kilogram is a definition.
Autonomy of mind is needed for any opinion to have value.
That is what I am asking you to prove. You are just re-stating your claim. You need to demonstrate why this is supposed to be the case.
Tell me how any opinion you have has any value unless you have it freely.
Tell me how a forced opinion has value.
Tell me how any opinion you have has any value unless you have it freely.
Tell me how a forced opinion has value.
You are the one offering an opinion. I am the one asking you to justify your opinion with an explanation.
Just an argument supported with evidence.
That's all.
Why is this so difficult?
A question is not an opinion. I am simply asking you to explain your claim. That is a question.
Ahem, you are still avoiding the question.
A rock exists, rock is a definition of a category of objects. Etc etc etc...
Still do not see thy point you are trying to make. Agreed the brain creates the perception we have of the grup of wavelengths we cal bloe. Blue as a rag is arbiter. We could call zitbog.
The band of wavelengths we call blue excites the retina which sends bioelectric signals to the brain which creates what we call vision. How is it blue does not exist? What do you mean when you say blue?
Blue light is a definition. Kilogram is a definition.
Your memory is totally fucked up.
There is no enjoyment in telling you the same things over and over.
Blue exists.
It is an experience.
It is not a stimulus.
Ahem, you are still avoiding the question.
No you are.
This is the philosophy section and you have no ability to make philosophical judgements.
How is an opinion worth something unless it is freely made?
Saying you like ice cream when you are forced to say it is meaningless.