The Mental State of the Country

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Why would Trump's supporters be deterred by the Nazi business?

That would be like Lenin's supporters saying "Whoa, dude. I'm seeing that a lot of your policies have bit if a communist influence and that's making me kind of uncomfortable".

This is what Tump ran on. If any of his supporters are shocked, then those supporters are idiots.

Proof the OP is on target.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Why would Trump's supporters be deterred by the Nazi business?

That would be like Lenin's supporters saying "Whoa, dude. I'm seeing that a lot of your policies have bit if a communist influence and that's making me kind of uncomfortable".

This is what Tump ran on. If any of his supporters are shocked, then those supporters are idiots.

Proof the OP is on target.

Yes. The real problem with Nazis is the people who have a problem with Nazis.

 

[dismal]

Proof the OP is on target.

Yes. The real problem with Nazis is the people who have a problem with Nazis.

The real problem seems to be so many people don't seem to get that everyone as problems with the Nazis. Except like 300 people.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Yes. The real problem with Nazis is the people who have a problem with Nazis.

The real problem seems to be so many people don't seem to get that everyone as problems with the Nazis. Except like 300 people.

Yes, but one of those 300 people is President of your country. JoeMcDipshit not having a problem with Nazis isn't an issue. Donald Trump not really having a problem with them is.

 

[dismal]

The real problem seems to be so many people don't seem to get that everyone as problems with the Nazis. Except like 300 people.

Yes, but one of those 300 people is President of your country. JoeMcDipshit not having a problem with Nazis isn't an issue. Donald Trump not really having a problem with them is.

Based on what? Imagine you had to assemble evidence for trial that Trump is a Nazi or likes Nazis. What would you present?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Proof the OP is on target.

Yes. The real problem with Nazis is the people who have a problem with Nazis.

Since that has nothing to do with what I wrote, I am forced to assume that is your actual opinion.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Yes. The real problem with Nazis is the people who have a problem with Nazis.

Since that has nothing to do with what I wrote, I am forced to assume that is your actual opinion.

I apologize for assuming that your post in a thread about Trump and Nazis had something to do with Trump and Nazis. That was my mistake. Let's spend a while derailing the thread with snitty little irrelevant barbs back and forth.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Since that has nothing to do with what I wrote, I am forced to assume that is your actual opinion.

I apologize for assuming that your post in a thread about Trump and Nazis had something to do with Trump and Nazis. That was my mistake. Let's spend a while derailing the thread with snitty little irrelevant barbs back and forth.

Oh my post did have something to do with the thread's topic, the problem is your response had nothing to do with my post. So, as I wrote, it must be your personal opinion that you expressed.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I don't see how we can survive them.

So that's the bar now... Survival. forget "doing OK".. never mind the possibility of "getting along"... and totally give up on the idea of ever being "fine".

"We Survived!" is the best you can hope for? What a looser-mentality, that would be.

I agree that sounds a little too dismal.

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I am more frightened by how people seem to be supporting Trump supporters who clearly are so unbelievably misinformed. I believe these people would do almost anything for Trump, much like other dictators had similar support. Trump supporters are non-partisans, they are much worse than partisans. They believe in Trump as an image.

That is an interesting response. I do think the propaganda is helping him, too.

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Proof the OP is on target.

Huh? in what way?

You really don't get it?

 

[dismal]

You really don't get it?

No. Explain as best you can.

I mean, I get see a lot of delusional behavior around here from you guys so I assume it's more of that. But the specifics of how you are processing this particular input to get that particular outcome might be interesting.

 

[Elixir]

...those supporters are idiots.

Those four words are Gospel Truth.

 

[laughing dog]

You really don't get it?

No. Explain as best you can.

I mean, I get see a lot of delusional behavior around here from you guys so I assume it's more of that. But the specifics of how you are processing this particular input to get that particular outcome might be interesting.

Coming from someone posting about non-existent Aztec statues, this is a fascinating analysis.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

You really don't get it?

No. Explain as best you can.

I mean, I get see a lot of delusional behavior around here from you guys so I assume it's more of that. But the specifics of how you are processing this particular input to get that particular outcome might be interesting.

Wow.

 

[TV and credit cards]

That Trump's favorability rating did not drop or even dip after his comments on Charlottesville is troubling. This tell me his supporters are not searching for right and wrong but what they like and do not like. That's frightening. We know or should know by now, they are hell and gone from ever taking on evidence and amending their position. I find it comical just typing that.
If he can actually deliver on any one of his half-baked promises, he will benefit much more than any other politician would. What do you think the response would be if congress gives him money for the wall? You think they'll be pissed because Mexico is not paying for it? I don't think so. 'Wall baby wall' is all he would have to chant at a rally and boom. Fucking hero Trump.
You cannot shame these people into amending their position. They do not care. They are getting what they want. They are winning and that is all that matters.

 

[Opoponax]

Either way, the right now turns around and whatabouts the hell out of Antifa, an organization with little influence, little history, and almost no identity. It would dry up and blow away upon Trump's demise. Yet in Antifa, conservatives really, really, really want to believe they've found the left's equivalent of the KKK. Of course that's utter shit, but look who the POTUS is. Utter shit is the norm now.

I like to think that I'm fairly well informed (at least better than the average 'Murican) and I hadn't even heard of Antifa until a Trump-supporting friend on Facebook trotted out the accusation that the Charlottesville attacker was one. This was before law enforcement released the identity of the attacker. Apparently the false accusation came from alt-right sources. I asked my friend for a source. He didn't respond. It wasn't until after the attacker was identified that he retracted his claim, but still didn't provide a source.

Then he posted some odd claim that Jason Kessler - one of the white nationalists behind the rally - was once a CNN journalist and Obama supporter who was involved in Occupy. Again, asked for a source. While waiting, I did some research and couldn't find a source for the story other than whack-job conspiracy/alt-right/white nationalist ones. After repeatedly pressing him for a source, he finally conceded that he could have been wrong about the claim, and said he got it from Twitter. No specifics, just Twitter.

So there's not just an alt-right. There's an alt-reality. An echo chamber of questionable information bypassing reality-based media and being spoon fed right into the minds of these people, who lap it up uncritically.

The latest example is the guy protesting in Phoenix Tuesday night who got hit in the strike zone with a gas grenade. He became a bit of a sensation, and did a Q&A on the Phoenix sub-Reddit. Was he Antifa? No. Was he paid by Soros? No. Was he bused in from another state? No. Yet the very next day what pops up on my Facebook? A meme claiming he was a Soros-paid Antifa agitator bused in to cause trouble.

The alt-reality is real!

I hear ya'. What you described is precisely why I dumped a longtime friend. The shit he reads and now believes, well, it fucking disgusts me. Thus, he disgusts me.

I really avoided talking politics with him, but inevitably it happened, and then it happened again, and again. Finally, before I said things I could never take back, I just dropped him from my life. I hope one day that I'll speak to him again though. I don't hold out much hope though.

As with your friend, he could never back up anything, or I could inform him in short order exactly why he was so wrong. Yet he remained and I'm sure still remains undeterred in his pursuit of pure, unfettered far-right fantasy.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

That Trump's favorability rating did not drop or even dip after his comments on Charlottesville is troubling. This tell me his supporters are not searching for right and wrong but what they like and do not like. That's frightening. We know or should know by now, they are hell and gone from ever taking on evidence and amending their position. I find it comical just typing that.
If he can actually deliver on any one of his half-baked promises, he will benefit much more than any other politician would. What do you think the response would be if congress gives him money for the wall? You think they'll be pissed because Mexico is not paying for it? I don't think so. 'Wall baby wall' is all he would have to chant at a rally and boom. Fucking hero Trump.
You cannot shame these people into amending their position. They do not care. They are getting what they want. They are winning and that is all that matters.

Trumpet said lots of things people liked hearing. If you can be convinced you're going to go live with an invisible spaceman you can be convinced of anything, even to vote for Trumpy. You would have to be a certifiable ignoramus to believe his promise that Mexico would pay for his pet wall. But lots of people believed just that, and so voted for him.

There really isn't anything wrong with the country except that there are lots of dumb people that vote on what they hear people say and nothing more, whether those people are actual candidates or just mouthpieces. I know plenty.

 

[RVonse]

I am still amazed that the establishment people in the political parties haven't gotten the crystal clear message that Trump's election was. Trump, THIS GUY, a truly horrible person, defeated all of the republicans in the primary and Clinton in the general.. That should tell them something about how poorly they have been doing for the public at large. Trump, for all he is, still comes across as an outsider and a guy who speaks his (very troubled self absorbed) mind. You do have bigots he appeals to in his base, but much of his support to getting elected was a protest vote. And it seems to have accomplished very little so far in way of people opening their eyes.

+1 Agree.

My only explanation is that McConnel and the rest don't give a crap and probably dont even need to give a crap about the actual voters.

 

[untermensche]

So that's the bar now... Survival. forget "doing OK".. never mind the possibility of "getting along"... and totally give up on the idea of ever being "fine".

"We Survived!" is the best you can hope for? What a looser-mentality, that would be.

Well, I personally plan to get freaked out over one thing or another every two weeks.

This week it's that there are confederate statues everywhere.

Just a thing who's time is long overdue.

Nothing to get upset about.

Unless you have some dogged love for a society based on racist torture.

Something we still see in the US on a smaller scale.

Thus professional QB's are blackballed for not saluting some stupid song properly to point this out.

 

[dismal]

No. Explain as best you can.

I mean, I get see a lot of delusional behavior around here from you guys so I assume it's more of that. But the specifics of how you are processing this particular input to get that particular outcome might be interesting.

Wow.

Not really a helpful explanation.

I guess you don't have one.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Wow.

Not really a helpful explanation.

I guess you don't have one.

Interesting guess but I actually did understand his comment.