The retreat of reason

[Trausti]

Five year old boys don't draw flowers or butterflies 'cuz they're boys and boys only draw TRUCKS BITCH!

Because a couple million years of natural selection formed human sexual dimorphism.

 

[laughing dog]

Can anyone rationally explain what alleged differences in picture drawing among children or dimorphism has to do with the OP or are those just illustrations from a retreat of reason?

 

[Trausti]

Can anyone rationally explain what alleged differences in picture drawing among children or dimorphism has to do with the OP or are those just illustrations from a retreat of reason?

It relates to the earlier discussion that there gender does not exist or is a social construct. Sorry if you missed that or your religious sensibilities were offended.

 

[laughing dog]

Can anyone rationally explain what alleged differences in picture drawing among children or dimorphism has to do with the OP or are those just illustrations from a retreat of reason?

It relates to the earlier discussion that there are no gender differences. Sorry if you missed that.

So, they are illustrations from a retreat of reason. Thanks.

 

[beero1000]

Can anyone rationally explain what alleged differences in picture drawing among children or dimorphism has to do with the OP or are those just illustrations from a retreat of reason?

It relates to the earlier discussion that there gender does not exist or is a social construct. Sorry if you missed that or your religious sensibilities were offended.

[citation needed]

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I disagree with the OP, but yes, there are inherent differences between boys and girls and what we gravitate towards on the average. We shouldn't be treated differently just because of those group trends, but there ARE such trends. It goes a long way to explaining the "gender pay gap" you keep hearing about.

 

[Trausti]

It relates to the earlier discussion that there gender does not exist or is a social construct. Sorry if you missed that or your religious sensibilities were offended.

[citation needed]

What logic links one set of clothing to one gender again?

So maybe you are unaware of babies born without a specific sex?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

It appears that the great flying spaghetti monster makes mistakes sometimes!

So, is it reality or biology that drives gender specific clothing?

A niche for customers who determine that their children have no gender?

Infants are indestingishable by gender, unless you inspect their genitals, or go out of your way to signal gender through clothing choices. Why any normal and healthy person would want to do either is beyond me; but certainly doing neither is the diametric opposite of 'schemes related to gender and sex'.

asdf

 

[LordKiran]

[citation needed]

What logic links one set of clothing to one gender again?

So maybe you are unaware of babies born without a specific sex?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

It appears that the great flying spaghetti monster makes mistakes sometimes!

So, is it reality or biology that drives gender specific clothing?

A niche for customers who determine that their children have no gender?

Infants are indestingishable by gender, unless you inspect their genitals, or go out of your way to signal gender through clothing choices. Why any normal and healthy person would want to do either is beyond me; but certainly doing neither is the diametric opposite of 'schemes related to gender and sex'.

asdf

None of these comments claim that gender does not exist or is a social construct.

 

[DBT]

Vive la Différence. Embrace variety. Down with homogenization.

 

[JohnG]

Five year old boys don't draw flowers or butterflies 'cuz they're boys and boys only draw TRUCKS BITCH!

Because a couple million years of natural selection formed human sexual dimorphism.

No one is denying differences in gender.

 

[TSwizzle]

No one is denying differences in gender.

Unfortunately there are a vociferous few that do. They seem to think gender is a choice.

 

[skepticalbip]

No one is denying differences in gender.

Unfortunately there are a vociferous few that do. They seem to think gender is a choice.

Right. And there are those who are militant about it. It is rather humorous that they do actually believe gender is a choice. However, it stops being funny when they get in my face screaming and threatening that I must also accept their delusion "or else".

 

[repoman]

The rare ( and hopefully stays rare) gender confusion trolls, attention seekers and people who play with gender to make a political point should not be used by people who are arguing in bad faith about real gender dysphoria.

Granted there may be some "healthy" ways that people become trans and some ways that involve some darker aspects. And again if a trans person got there through some nasty comorbid reasons, that should not implicate a trans who got there without comordibities.

Also, trans people do not invalidate the general biological reality of gender differences, I think they strengthen it.

Look up third way trans.

Also this youtube channel by a young ftm trans is interesting;

 

[LordKiran]

The rare ( and hopefully stays rare) gender confusion trolls, attention seekers and people who play with gender to make a political point should not be used by people who are arguing in bad faith about real gender dysphoria.

Granted there may be some "healthy" ways that people become trans and some ways that involve some darker aspects. And again if a trans person got there through some nasty comorbid reasons, that should not implicate a trans who got there without comordibities.

Also, trans people do not invalidate the general biological reality of gender differences, I think they strengthen it.

Look up third way trans.

Also this youtube channel by a young ftm trans is interesting;

Meh, I blame limp-wristed therapists not contesting their patient's claims out of fear of being considered 'gatekeepers'

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

FDR when he was a boy.

Also, regarding pink versus blue:

In 1927, Time magazine printed a chart showing sex-appropriate colors for girls and boys according to leading U.S. stores. In Boston, Filene’s told parents to dress boys in pink. So did Best & Co. in New York City, Halle’s in Cleveland and Marshall Field in Chicago.

Today’s color dictate wasn’t established until the 1940s, as a result of Americans’ preferences as interpreted by manufacturers and retailers. “It could have gone the other way,” Paoletti says.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/when-did-girls-start-wearing-pink-1370097/?c=y&page=1

 

[iolo]

First liberals deny race, now they deny gender. What else will be sacraficed at the altar of "equality"?

What exactly IS 'race' Goebbels? 100 yds? Marathon? Stop talking antiquated bullshit.

 

[ZiprHead]

Trausti, I find your avatar hilariously ironic.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

There is biological sex and also some degree of intersexed and some aspect of that might be more common than we realize. It doesn't really matter though because a discussion about biology is irrelevant to current customs in design of children's clothing. Biology might be a little more relevant to adult clothing, but not children's.

There is a lot of historical ignorance about how customs have changed, too, and so I will make an effort to transcribe some old newspaper articles. The first one I will transcribe will be about pink versus blue.

 

[iolo]

In the Eighteenth Century pink was a male colour because red coats (manly, military) faded since the dye was unstable. The whole game of gender seems as silly as American football, or cricket, frankly.

 

[beero1000]

[citation needed]

What logic links one set of clothing to one gender again?

So maybe you are unaware of babies born without a specific sex?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

It appears that the great flying spaghetti monster makes mistakes sometimes!

So, is it reality or biology that drives gender specific clothing?

A niche for customers who determine that their children have no gender?

Infants are indestingishable by gender, unless you inspect their genitals, or go out of your way to signal gender through clothing choices. Why any normal and healthy person would want to do either is beyond me; but certainly doing neither is the diametric opposite of 'schemes related to gender and sex'.

asdf

I find your lack of reading comprehension disturbing.