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The Second Amendment is past its Use-By date

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I read all these comments about needing to "preserve the right" to let everyone carry around a bang bang because Founding Fathers. All this despite the current day cost to life.

And all I can think about is slavery.
Time to grow up, America.
We don't really need to have that as a right.
 
the principle in america is that you're absolutely correct, it's a stupid and antiquated notion that is predicated wholly on technology so obsolete that it makes the very concept of the amendment pointless and moot.

unfortunately the reality in america is that guns are a genie that is out of the bottle, and that nothing short of a massive military crackdown and republican boogie-man of jack booted thugs coming and taking all your guns away would really do much of anything about the situation.

the gun culture in the US is completely fucked up and gun violence will only get steadily worse, and something really should be done about it, and there's absolutely nothing that can be done about it.
(well, okay i could see MAYBE hugely regulating and all but banning the sale and manufacture of bullets and then letting the existing supply just exhaust itself, but that's about it)
 
I read all these comments about needing to "preserve the right" to let everyone carry around a bang bang because Founding Fathers. All this despite the current day cost to life.

And all I can think about is slavery.
Time to grow up, America.
We don't really need to have that as a right.

The right pre-existed the founding fathers; the Second Amendment does not create the right. It explicitly states that the right "shall not be infringed." The Bill of Rights was put in place as a check on the newly-formed federal government. Any interpretation of the Bill of Rights which aggrandizes the power of government at the expense of the people is inherently in error. You are free not to exercise your rights if you chose; but let the rest of up make our own decision.
 
The right pre-existed the founding fathers; the Second Amendment does not create the right. It explicitly states that the right "shall not be infringed." The Bill of Rights was put in place as a check on the newly-formed federal government. Any interpretation of the Bill of Rights which aggrandizes the power of government at the expense of the people is inherently in error. You are free not to exercise your rights if you chose; but let the rest of up make our own decision.

What about that whole "well-ordered" part of the amendment?
 
I read all these comments about needing to "preserve the right" to let everyone carry around a bang bang because Founding Fathers. All this despite the current day cost to life.

And all I can think about is slavery.
Time to grow up, America.
We don't really need to have that as a right.

The right pre-existed the founding fathers; the Second Amendment does not create the right. It explicitly states that the right "shall not be infringed." The Bill of Rights was put in place as a check on the newly-formed federal government. Any interpretation of the Bill of Rights which aggrandizes the power of government at the expense of the people is inherently in error. You are free not to exercise your rights if you chose; but let the rest of up make our own decision.

Just like slavery, right?
 
(well, okay i could see MAYBE hugely regulating and all but banning the sale and manufacture of bullets and then letting the existing supply just exhaust itself, but that's about it)

I believe this will work perfectly well. As it has in other places.
many of the worst incidents involve recent purchases. Stop that ability, things get better.
Each additional incident takes another one out of circulation. Things get better.


I am all for this. I'd be fine registering my guns. We all should.
Bullshit about stopping tyranny is bullshit.

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What about that whole "well-ordered regulated" part of the amendment?

That's where they show they are speaking with a forked tongue. (fixed your typo) They screech about any effort to regulate at all.
 
I read all these comments about needing to "preserve the right" to let everyone carry around a bang bang because Founding Fathers. All this despite the current day cost to life.

And all I can think about is slavery.
Time to grow up, America.
We don't really need to have that as a right.

The right pre-existed the founding fathers; the Second Amendment does not create the right. It explicitly states that the right "shall not be infringed." The Bill of Rights was put in place as a check on the newly-formed federal government. Any interpretation of the Bill of Rights which aggrandizes the power of government at the expense of the people is inherently in error.

The right also says it is because of an open need for an army which we already have. So it says A --> B. Any interpretation of the Bill of Rights which assumes away that context at the expense of the people is inherently in error.

Now not A does not necessarily --> not B. Nor does not A --> B.

You are of course free to think your right exists outside its context; but let the rest of us retain our agnosticism.
 
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I read all these comments about needing to "preserve the right" to let everyone carry around a bang bang because Founding Fathers. All this despite the current day cost to life.

And all I can think about is slavery.
Time to grow up, America.
We don't really need to have that as a right.

The constitution has a process for amendment. Good luck.
 
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I read all these comments about needing to "preserve the right" to let everyone carry around a bang bang because Founding Fathers. All this despite the current day cost to life.

And all I can think about is slavery.
Time to grow up, America.
We don't really need to have that as a right.

The constitution has a process for amendment. Good luck.

Yes, I think it should be amended. It no longer has any utility that is worth the carnage.
 
When the Republicans kept trying to repeal Obamacare, they were told it was already the law of the land for several years so they should get over it.

The 2nd Amendment has been the law of the land for far longer.

So you are saying that a piss-poor argument, made by supporters of something that could instead have been supported with a number of strong arguments, constitutes permission to support any old crap with piss poor arguments?

How very... political of you.

Meanwhile, regardless of how piss poor any argument against the Affordable Care Act might be, in sane person world, you need non-piss poor arguments to support your contention that the second amendment does more good than harm, or should be retained in its present form.

Of course, if you don't have any such arguments, then "Well someone else made a shit argument for something and that thing remains legal" is all you can fall back on. Just don't expect anyone over the age of nine to be swayed by such school yard rhetoric.

"We have had this rule for a long time" is a SHITHOUSE reason to keep a rule.

The second amendment passed its use by date, if not with the establishment of a permanent US Army in the 1790s, then with the widespread adoption of breech-loading firearms, following the 1808 development of the brass integrated cartridge. Just as the 2nd Amendment does not grant US Citizens the right to bear nuclear weapons, nor does it grant them the right to bear weapons that use another such revolutionary technology never imagined by the framers of the Bill of Rights.
 
It is not those who defend the right to keep and bear arms who keep comparing it to sex. Interesting.

And if you consider it so much like sex, what does that say about your desire to place restrictions on it?

Three silly images obviously not made by gun rights advocates

That doesn't answer the question.

It is those in favor of firearm restrictions that compare guns to sex. So, what are the Freudian implications of them wanting to restrict something they compare to sex?
 
I don't know. Maybe you should ask Freud.

What are your thoughts on the matter?
 
Yes, I think it should be amended. It no longer has any utility that is worth the carnage.

Well, all you need now is a lot more people to agree with you.

Indeed. Although I chose to first just discuss the idea in a forum.

Also, note that a majority of AMericans already agree with me.
Further note: the fact that I no longer thing it should be a "right" does not in any way imply that I think there needs to be a complete ban or a mass confiscation. The simple change that it is no longer a "right" means that we can better control and prevent carnage, while keeping farm and sport use available.

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Three silly images obviously not made by gun rights advocates

That doesn't answer the question.

It is those in favor of firearm restrictions that compare guns to sex. So, what are the Freudian implications of them wanting to restrict something they compare to sex?

Pro-control people don't eqaute it to sex. They equate it to carnage. Rather, we see those who are against control treating it as if it were orgasm-inducing, hence, we see THEM treating guns like sex. Hence the jokes.
 
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