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The two types of Feminism

Anybody else here read Quora? Its like a more mature version of redit.

Here is a great comment written in response to an article (linked) that I just read regarding toxic and non-toxic feminism: https://www.quora.com/When-does-fem...-for-womens-rights-but-its-sexist-against-men

Jennifer Domina said:
Feminism becomes toxic when it stops being about equality and starts being about spite and “revenge" for the way women have been treated.

Where exactly that point is depends on the ego and emotional maturity of who you ask. But objectively, it's not difficult to spot.

It's obvious to anyone with common sense that there are situations and cultural attitudes that are harmful to women.

Feminism, at its core, is meant to help women in these situations. Denying that these situations exist is just as toxic and ignorant as denying that situations and cultural attitudes exist that harm men.

But it's important to remember that feminism attacks the issue of gender equality by focusing on women's issues. I can't tell you how many times I've been asked why feminists don't care about things like circumcision.

Uh, we do. It's a barbaric and pointless practice. But you don't get mad at the ASPCA for not doing anything about world hunger, do you?

That's the problem with egalitarianism. It's just too broad to make much of a difference. Feminism is more focused.

Alternatively, masculinism attacks the problem of gender inequality by focusing on the situations and cultural attitudes that are harmful to men (like circumcision).

But masculinism and feminism are not mutually exclusive. Most sane people are both. It's toxic when you claim that you have to be one or the other, or that one or the other isn't needed in today's society, or that someone who may not understand why one is needed is automatically a bigot or a sexist.

For example, not all men understand why catcalling is such a big deal. I had a conversation not long ago with one of these gentlemen. And he wasn't a bigot, he just had a limited perspective and didn't know.

If I had gotten hostile and been a judgemental prick, and shrugged him off and called him sexist, that would've been an example of toxic feminism.

But I explained to him what it means, what it feels like, and helped him understand it from my perspective, and at the end, he understood. There were some things he still didn't agree with (which is his right), but he understood why women take such issue with it, and agreed that it's a larger issue than he originally thought.

I'd venture to say that most men who don't like feminism are like him. They just don't understand, and instead of helping them understand, toxic people have made them feel like villains.

This is also true for women who don't understand certain things in masculinism, and men are just as guilty of getting hostile and being judgemental pricks. All it does is breed enemies. There's nothing productive or constructive about it.

Unfortunately, until we can collectively decide to stop giving toxic people power, not much progress is going to be made on either front.
 
You know what, my father was in many ways limited by his upbringing. In other ways, he was truly progressive. He believed that his daughters could do anything a man could do and never tried to limit our dreams, to get us to aim for the safe middle ground. He actively encouraged us to pursue mathematics and science as he (correctly) saw that as where the jobs would be for us. His life's circumstances limited his reach in life. He was determined that we would not see such limitations.

As much as I love and respect him for raising all of his kids that way, the three most important words he ever said to us, aside from I love you were: Think for yourself.

I'm sure you can post a hundred different pieces from different quora, some from actual women, and of course there are tons of women telling other women all kinds of ways that feminism is 'bad.' Way back in the 70's, there was Phyllis Schafly, who made a very lucrative career out of telling women that they should stay home and raise their families. There was that Anita Bryant lady and all the lovelies on Fox. So what?

Lots of people post all kinds of crap criticizing feminism, often for things that are not part of feminism. Some probably have good motives. Some specifically want to create doubt about the validity of the goal of feminism, which is equality of the sexes, and do this by promoting falsehoods about feminism. Some want to hijack feminism and make it all about the menz. I don't really care.

I don't really care that you think you can personally divide feminism into two types, define the differences and pronounce one good and one bad. Good for you.

My dad had a lot of faults, but I actually like his take on things.
 
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