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It still sounds like you haven't read what's in that section.
I read the entire article before I posted it.

It's clear to me that you, along with the other naysayers on this thread, are opposed to the people and the ideas behind the institution, but are just 'thinking of the children' when you object to the name or administrative progress.
 

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It still sounds like you haven't read what's in that section.
I read the entire article before I posted it.
Rephrasing the observation to be more specific. "From your responses, there is no evidence you read with comprehension the Wiki site you posted".

It's clear to me that you, along with the other naysayers on this thread, are opposed to the people and the ideas behind the institution, but are just 'thinking of the children' when you object to the name or administrative progress.
I am not opposed to their attempts to set up a university. I doubt they will succeed for a number of reasons but this is the USA and they have the freedom to try.

They are appealing to a wide swath of Trumpsuckers, other ignoramuses and malcontents who have fallen for the lies about the breadth and depth of "wokeness" in academia.
 

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Rephrasing the observation to be more specific. "From your responses, there is no evidence you read with comprehension the Wiki site you posted".
I read it and I understood it. The first sentence of the 'Reception' part said that some initial commentators criticised the 'lack of a plan'. That some commentators said that does not mean there was not a plan. Indeed, there is a plan and timeline, and they're on the website. That Loren read one sentence in the 'Reception' part of the article and instantly and uncritically accepted it (the Wiki article doesn't even say there wasn't a plan, but that commentators criticised the 'lack of a plan') proves only that people read uncritically when they see a supporting narrative.
I am not opposed to their attempts to set up a university. I doubt they will succeed for a number of reasons but this is the USA and they have the freedom to try.
I'm glad to hear you are not opposed.
 

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I have the rather controversial opinion that plans should be at least longer and more comprehensive than what is written in a fortune cookie, The University of Austin has failed to achieve this.
They haven't published detailed plans, that's true. But that doesn't mean they don't have detailed plans. Nor does it mean a timeline with details cannot be developed into 'plans' to satisfy an audience of people like yourself who are ideologically opposed to the people and the ideas at the foundation of the university.
 

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Rephrasing the observation to be more specific. "From your responses, there is no evidence you read with comprehension the Wiki site you posted".
I read it and I understood it. The first sentence of the 'Reception' part said that some initial commentators criticised the 'lack of a plan'. That some commentators said that does not mean there was not a plan. Indeed, there is a plan and timeline, and they're on the website. That Loren read one sentence in the 'Reception' part of the article and instantly and uncritically accepted it (the Wiki article doesn't even say there wasn't a plan, but that commentators criticised the 'lack of a plan') proves only that people read uncritically when they see a supporting narrative.
As your response ironically provides evidence that people read uncritically when they see a supporting narrative, because there was much more in that section that was on point criticism. But hey, since you sympatico with their ideology and their straw men, why bother to think critically?
 

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Rephrasing the observation to be more specific. "From your responses, there is no evidence you read with comprehension the Wiki site you posted".
I read it and I understood it. The first sentence of the 'Reception' part said that some initial commentators criticised the 'lack of a plan'. That some commentators said that does not mean there was not a plan. Indeed, there is a plan and timeline, and they're on the website. That Loren read one sentence in the 'Reception' part of the article and instantly and uncritically accepted it (the Wiki article doesn't even say there wasn't a plan, but that commentators criticised the 'lack of a plan') proves only that people read uncritically when they see a supporting narrative.
As your response ironically provides evidence that people read uncritically when they see a supporting narrative, because there was much more in that section that was on point criticism.
Loren responded to my assertion that the University of Austin founders had a plan and the criticism that it didn't have a plan was off-base. I linked the Wikipedia article to show the elements of the plan.

Whatever else was in the 'Reception' part was irrelevant to Loren's false assertion. But if he wants to discuss it, he can.
 

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I don't understand why anybody has a firm opinion about this. It looks like a typical start-up to me.

Possibly grifters. Possibly well intentioned, but comes to nothing. Possibly turns out OK, but not as envisioned. Possibly a great addition to the Human Situation.
Who knows?

That's what start-ups look like at first.
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Anyone remember Stve Bannon's startup to build the souther border wall?
 

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They haven't published detailed plans, that's true. But that doesn't mean they don't have detailed plans.
Last time I checked, that's called an assumption. You reckon I could be part of the leadership of this University? A lot of these people call themselves left. Do you think as a leftist I would be accepted because I hold accountability higher then leftism?
 

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They haven't published detailed plans, that's true. But that doesn't mean they don't have detailed plans.
Last time I checked, that's called an assumption.
I did not say they had detailed plans. I said not making publically available detailed plans does not mean they don't have detailed plans. And, in fact, I would not expect detailed planning documents to be made publically available if they had them. They are simply not meant for public consumption, and might contain commercially sensitive material

You reckon I could be part of the leadership of this University? A lot of these people call themselves left. Do you think as a leftist I would be accepted because I hold accountability higher then leftism?
If you had the relevant career experience for a senior position, and--more importantly--you shared the foundational values and wanted to work there--why shouldn't you be considered?
 

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I did not say they had detailed plans. I said not making publically available detailed plans does not mean they don't have detailed plans. And, in fact, I would not expect detailed planning documents to be made publically available if they had them. They are simply not meant for public consumption, and might contain commercially sensitive material
Like I said; it's easy to write out a plan without compromising oneself and not make it look like a fortune cookie saying. They failed to do so, so I'm sticking with my opinion of insipid platitudes. For fuck's sake, they couldn't get beyond two fucking sentences. I love how you still call that legitimate, however.
If you had the relevant career experience for a senior position, and--more importantly--you shared the foundational values and wanted to work there--why shouldn't you be considered?
I am asking you - do you think I have a chance? Their foundational view as you put it is anti censorship. I think I could fit in. What do you think? Let's be honest; my criticisms towards their expression of their "plan" can only benefit them in revision with regards to recruitment. What do you think my chances are?
 

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Like I said; it's easy to write out a plan without compromising oneself and not make it look like a fortune cookie saying. They failed to do so, so I'm sticking with my opinion of insipid platitudes. For fuck's sake, they couldn't get beyond two fucking sentences. I love how you still call that legitimate, however.
This exchange started with you mocking the project by saying calling it a university was 'Orwellian' and 'authoritarian'. You are wrong on both counts. If you had merely said you were unconvinced that anything would come to fruition, I'd never have engaged you in the first place.
I am asking you - do you think I have a chance? Their foundational view as you put it is anti censorship. I think I could fit in. What do you think? Let's be honest; my criticisms towards their expression of their "plan" can only benefit them in revision with regards to recruitment. What do you think my chances are?
I have no idea if you would 'stand a chance', because I have no idea who you are, where you live, whether you have relevant experience, and what roles the organisations has vacant. I'm completely baffled, in fact, as to your line of questioning.
 

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This exchange started with you mocking the project by saying calling it a university was 'Orwellian' and 'authoritarian'. You are wrong on both counts.
Good to know. I was unclear if there is any flexibility allowed in pronouns.
I have no idea if you would 'stand a chance', because I have no idea who you are, where you live, whether you have relevant experience, and what roles the organisations has vacant. I'm completely baffled, in fact, as to your line of questioning.
I believe you.
 

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I don't understand why anybody has a firm opinion about this. It looks like a typical start-up to me.

Possibly grifters. Possibly well intentioned, but comes to nothing. Possibly turns out OK, but not as envisioned. Possibly a great addition to the Human Situation.
Who knows?

That's what start-ups look like at first.
Tom
Some and probably most firm opinions are formed as a reaction to some of the political, moral and/or philosophical views defended by some of the creators and prominent supporters of this new university defend.
 

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Typical startups usually have a detailed plan before they start seeking investors, excuse me, donations. Can you imagine what a bank would do if you walked in looking for a loan using their "plan"?
 

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Typical startups usually have a detailed plan before they start seeking investors, excuse me, donations. Can you imagine what a bank would do if you walked in looking for a loan using their "plan"?
They aren't going to a bank. I cannot imagine a modern bank issuing a loan for a start-up non-profit institution of learning. I cannot imagine a bank giving a loan to any start-up with no assets or income.

Inform me. Did any bank give Zuckerberg a loan to get Facebook started? I doubt it, but I could be wrong.

I know, this could be the 2021 equivalent of Trump University or PragerU. But neither you nor I have any way of knowing about this particular venture. Not knowing what plans they have isn't the same as knowing that they don't have any.
Why not just do what I'm doing? Sit back and watch, without getting involved.
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They haven't published detailed plans, that's true. But that doesn't mean they don't have detailed plans. Nor does it mean a timeline with details cannot be developed into 'plans' to satisfy an audience of people like yourself who are ideologically opposed to the people and the ideas at the foundation of the university.

It's possible they simply haven't published their plans, but they certainly should if they have solid plans. You expect to raise a bunch of money without showing people what it's for?!

Thus I conclude that they don't have a detailed, workable plan.
 

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They haven't published detailed plans, that's true. But that doesn't mean they don't have detailed plans. Nor does it mean a timeline with details cannot be developed into 'plans' to satisfy an audience of people like yourself who are ideologically opposed to the people and the ideas at the foundation of the university.

It's possible they simply haven't published their plans, but they certainly should if they have solid plans. You expect to raise a bunch of money without showing people what it's for?!
I am so glad you are concerned that this institution survives and thrives.

 

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They haven't published detailed plans, that's true. But that doesn't mean they don't have detailed plans. Nor does it mean a timeline with details cannot be developed into 'plans' to satisfy an audience of people like yourself who are ideologically opposed to the people and the ideas at the foundation of the university.

It's possible they simply haven't published their plans, but they certainly should if they have solid plans. You expect to raise a bunch of money without showing people what it's for?!

Thus I conclude that they don't have a detailed, workable plan.
Why should they publish detailed plans on the internet?

In the modern world of fake news and partisan attacks, I wouldn't give my enemies ammo by publishing sensitive information on the internet.

Like you concluding that they have no plans because they haven't shared much with you.
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I am so glad you are concerned that this institution survives and thrives.
Where did Loren say that? The impression I got was that you are upset because no one is willing to have the same take as you do on this university because most people are aware of the concepts of scamming and grifting. I'm sure you can clarify your position on how Loren thinks so don't let me stop you.
 

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Metaphor may want to consider enrolling at this "university," if it's such a credible institution. If nothing else, it seems that transphobia is one of this burgeoning new school's core focus areas, so he'd be able to pick a major fairly easily.
 

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I am so glad you are concerned that this institution survives and thrives.
Where did Loren say that?
He did not. You see, I employed a very subtle kind of irony called screaming sarcasm. Loren clearly does not care if the university survives or thrives and is probably opposed to it doing so.

The impression I got was that you are upset
I am not upset; I am amused at the naked distress that people have at the very idea of this university, and a little bit sad.

because no one is willing to have the same take as you do on this university because most people are aware of the concepts of scamming and grifting.
I understand what a scam and what a grift is. It is just that I am not willing to accuse my ideological enemies of it just because they are my ideological enemies.

I'm sure you can clarify your position on how Loren thinks so don't let me stop you.
I don't know how much more obvious I can make my ironic statements but I'll try to do better in future.
 

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Metaphor may want to consider enrolling at this "university," if it's such a credible institution.
I am not American and my tertiary education days are in the rear-view mirror.

If nothing else, it seems that transphobia is one of this burgeoning new school's core focus areas, so he'd be able to pick a major fairly easily.
Oh yes. What is transphobic about the school, and why do you think I am transphobic?
 

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I don't "think" you're transphobic.

That's your cue to go into your tiresome illiterate act, where you don't know what words mean, and start wailing for definitions that you won't accept. Play it with someone else.
 

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Metaphor may want to consider enrolling at this "university," if it's such a credible institution. If nothing else, it seems that transphobia is one of this burgeoning new school's core focus areas, so he'd be able to pick a major fairly easily.

I don't "think" you're transphobic.

Do you really not grasp the unsupported accusation you're making in these posts?

I've got my problems with things Meta has posted. I cannot think of a reason to insist on sexed pronouns rather than gendered pronouns. Maybe a couple of centuries ago the distinction wasn't clear, but in the here and now it's not a difficult distinction to make for us civilized people.

But you aren't helping, with your vague and unsupported accusations. How about we don't do that?
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I don't "think" you're transphobic.

That's your cue to go into your tiresome illiterate act, where you don't know what words mean, and start wailing for definitions that you won't accept. Play it with someone else.
I am not interested in playing games. I am interested in people not making personal accusations they cannot or will not support.
 

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Statement from Chancellor Robert J. Zimmer on his role for the University of Austin

I was asked to serve in an advisory role to the University of Austin by its founding president, Dr. Pano Kanelos. This board had no fiduciary, oversight or management responsibilities. While the new organization’s commitment to a liberal arts education and free expression reflects topics that are very important to me, I resigned from the Advisory Board on November 11, noting that the new university made a number of statements about higher education in general, largely quite critical, that diverged very significantly from my own views.

My focus and commitment have been, and will continue to be, to the University of Chicago. I will continue to work on and speak about the issue of free expression on campuses, and I wish the University of Austin success in advancing this essential priority
 
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Ah, so the objection is merely the (clearly, aspirational) title, and not the values themselves? I'm glad to know you do not object to people starting something that is in accordance with their values, even when you oppose those values.
They shouldn't be calling it a university, especially when it clearly isn't one. Doing so is Orwellian and authoritarian.
Authoritarian?

"Orwellian" language isn't just any inaccurate language. It is language that is designed to limit heterodox thought, by eliminating words and changing meanings. I do not believe that an aspirational name is 'Orwellian'. As to whether they can legally call themselves a university without offering degree programs, I have no idea about the law in Texas or the US on that matter.
Whoever Controls Language Controls Thought. Also Orwellian Today Is the Fact That It's Not Even Noticed.

Using "they" with a singular antecedent is Orwellian, yet both the Left and Right use that collectivist structure. The media even go out of their way to do so. The Illiterate Language Lords push their ignorant and dysfunctional NewSpeak to eliminate a basic category of thought: Number. For example, instead of saying "If people do this, they get that", they will intentionally twist it to "If someone does this, they get that."
 

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What, precisely, is your problem with this? That someone, somewhere, is starting something that accords with their values?
The problem is what was stated... they offer no degree, have no accreditation, yet call themselves a "University"? On their website the only information about any of this is how to "donate". If you don't see a problem with that then go donate, you silly mark.
 

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There really was no list of positives.

Yes, there was.

And one can have a starter list of researchers without advertising. Now, do you have any more evidence of obtuseness you wish to submit?
Yes. How do you wish to start a university without naming it? You know, the question I asked.

The absolute state of this board.
Donate to my "Charity"... I don't give any of the money to anyone yet - still working on it... but hey, I have to start somewhere, right? I will start with calling it a charity and taking money, and work on doing stuff with my (err, I mean your money) later.
 

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It's going well.


Doesn't seem like much critical thinking was exercised by all these self described critical thinkers before attaching themselves to this obvious flim-flam.
 

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It's going well.


Doesn't seem like much critical thinking was exercised by all these self described critical thinkers before attaching themselves to this obvious flim-flam.

If people who do have access to the plans of the "University" are leaving, then that's better information than I have.

Maybe they are just a bunch of grifters. I dunno.
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Out of curiosity.
What happened with the people who contributed to the "Build the Wall" thing? The one that turned out to be "The Big Steal"?

Did they get their money back?
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The video game industry has taught me all the signs of a cash grab and this has every important box checked.

  • The Trailers Show No Gameplay - Check!!
  • The developers are Over-Promising features - Check!
  • No Reviews until after the Game releases - Check!
  • It's a Dark and Gritty Reboot of a Family-Friendly Series - TRIPPLE CHECKED!!!
 

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The video game industry has taught me all the signs of a cash grab and this has every important box checked.

  • The Trailers Show No Gameplay - Check!!
  • The developers are Over-Promising features - Check!
  • No Reviews until after the Game releases - Check!
  • It's a Dark and Gritty Reboot of a Family-Friendly Series - TRIPPLE CHECKED!!!
You left out their dependence on pre-ordering. But other than that, it's a near perfect analogy.
 

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What, precisely, is your problem with this? That someone, somewhere, is starting something that accords with their values?
The problem is what was stated... they offer no degree, have no accreditation, yet call themselves a "University"?
Yes - they intend to offer degrees to undergraduates.

No doubt if they had named this project 'Intended University of Austin', nobody anywhere would have had a problem with it.

On their website the only information about any of this is how to "donate". If you don't see a problem with that then go donate, you silly mark.

Why on earth would I donate solely on the basis that I don't see it as a grift? Is this how you make your donation decisions? Oh, this isn't a grift, so I'm going to donate. I need make no other evaluation.
 

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The video game industry has taught me all the signs of a cash grab and this has every important box checked.

  • The Trailers Show No Gameplay - Check!!
  • The developers are Over-Promising features - Check!
  • No Reviews until after the Game releases - Check!
  • It's a Dark and Gritty Reboot of a Family-Friendly Series - TRIPPLE CHECKED!!!
Nobody has paid for a degree.
 

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There really was no list of positives.

Yes, there was.

And one can have a starter list of researchers without advertising. Now, do you have any more evidence of obtuseness you wish to submit?
Yes. How do you wish to start a university without naming it? You know, the question I asked.

The absolute state of this board.
Donate to my "Charity"... I don't give any of the money to anyone yet - still working on it... but hey, I have to start somewhere, right? I will start with calling it a charity and taking money, and work on doing stuff with my (err, I mean your money) later.
It didn't call itself a charity.
 

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What, precisely, is your problem with this? That someone, somewhere, is starting something that accords with their values?
The problem is what was stated... they offer no degree, have no accreditation, yet call themselves a "University"? On their website the only information about any of this is how to "donate". If you don't see a problem with that then go donate, you silly mark.
Well, if we are going to get technical...

- they offer no classes
- no place to even hold classes
- have no teaching staff

But they are hoping to like have a university some time around 2024. They are looking to be accredited.

The good news that a "school" is finally going to fix all the problems that exist in existing colleges, like...

...ummm...

...you know. The liberal stuff.
 

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I don't understand why anybody has a firm opinion about this. It looks like a typical start-up to me.

Possibly grifters. Possibly well intentioned, but comes to nothing. Possibly turns out OK, but not as envisioned. Possibly a great addition to the Human Situation.
Who knows?

That's what start-ups look like at first.
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From their website: "fearless pursuit of truth"

Those be alt-right buzzwords.
I don't "think" you're transphobic.

That's your cue to go into your tiresome illiterate act, where you don't know what words mean, and start wailing for definitions that you won't accept. Play it with someone else.
I am not interested in playing games. I am interested in people not making personal accusations they cannot or will not support.
I wouldn't recommend going to this "school" then.
 

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Curious about the curriculum.

Government 301: The Unitary Executive - Fearless look into the limits of Executive Power and how which party is in charge decides where those limit lie.
American History 202 - A look into the successful transformation of Indian... oh I'm sorry "Native Americans" in America through the embrace of capitalism.
American History 203: Civil War - Raw look into the plight of southerners during the raging Northern Aggression against America's Agrarian population.
Sociology 104: CRT - The truth about how minorities are trying to dishonor America's heritage.
Psychology 101: Intro - An introduction into the psyche of what is wrong with liberals and how it isn't necessarily their fault, but it is.
English 102: American Legends - An intense introduction to the minds that have shaped America into its best possible vision, Limbaugh, Beck, Gingrich, Jones.
 

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From their website: "fearless pursuit of truth"

Those be alt-right buzzwords.

Also sounds like something from an Al Gore documentary, Star Trek IX, or a 70s black activist movement.
In other words, the sort of vague thing people say all the time without meaning anything too specific.
Tom
 

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Who says this isn't a plan?

"WITH YOUR SUPPORT AND INVOLVEMENT, WE WILL BUILD THE UNIVERSITY OF AUSTIN IN THREE PHASES OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS"

I like how by year three they have an engineering school.... and 20 teachers, total?

20 teachers, 100 students?

Nobody has paid for a degree.
That's one of the many claims I did not make.
So, it's like a GoFundMe that never delivers, except nobody has paid for anything?
Yeah, just like GoFundMe... though usually the numbers don't have this many zeros.
 

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Who says this isn't a plan?

"WITH YOUR SUPPORT AND INVOLVEMENT, WE WILL BUILD THE UNIVERSITY OF AUSTIN IN THREE PHASES OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS"

I like how by year three they have an engineering school.... and 20 teachers, total?

20 teachers, 100 students?

Nobody has paid for a degree.
That's one of the many claims I did not make.
So, it's like a GoFundMe that never delivers, except nobody has paid for anything?
Yeah, just like GoFundMe... though usually the numbers don't have this many zeros.
Well, which is it? Is this a charity which is fake (despite it never calling itself a charity) or is it a grift that has cheated people out of money (despite the fact that there is no evidence that anybody has donated to it with false expectations)?
 

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Just wait and follow the money, if they ever collect any. Bannon’s border scam hadn’t collected a dime when it was announced either.
 

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What, precisely, is your problem with this? That someone, somewhere, is starting something that accords with their values?
The problem is what was stated... they offer no degree, have no accreditation, yet call themselves a "University"? On their website the only information about any of this is how to "donate". If you don't see a problem with that then go donate, you silly mark.
Does anyone have a link to that "university"'s home page?

I'd like to see for myself what its founders are claiming about it. Will it be doing any teaching? Research? Advocacy?
 
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