Speakpigeon
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I was paying attention to what the OP said and I responded to that.I don't see that it's any good. Personally, I'm experimental or cautious depending on circumstances. I'm conscientious or careless depending on the activity. I'm extravert or reserved depending on the situation and what people look like. I'm friendly and compassionate or analytical and detached according to my understanding of who the other person is. I'm confident or emotional depending on what the interaction and relationship is. Maybe some people, maybe most people, are more consistent but I tend to think most people can adapt their personality to some extent. I believe this is common knowledge. Most, or at least many, people compartmentalise their lives to some extent and can have several faces. Sounds like a winner to me. This would also explain why we don't pay much attention to what psychology says.
EB
Well, you're paying so little attention to what Psychology says, that you are misrepresenting what it says and then rejecting a straw man.
I also didn't represent psychology at all so I couldn't possibly have mirepresented it.
Whose straw man then?
So why reply to my post instead of directly addressing Ipetrich's? He claimed what he presented to be "mainstream psychology". Now you are saying that psychologists are the "biggest" critics of it. Yet, you didn't comment on the OP when you had something to say to comment on my post where you had nothing to say. That's absurd.First, the biggest critics of the Big 5 theory in the OP, or any notion of stable "personality" are Psychologists.
Tell Ipetrich!Also, the Big 5 theory allows for the kind of contextual variance in you are describing. The idea is merely that each dimension captures variability in how different people "tend" to behave in situations. For example, almost everyone feels/acts more "shy" or "reserved" among strangers than well known others. That doesn't differentiate people much. How they differ is that some people at their most "shy" are more like how other people are when they are at their most open and extroverted, and some people tend to lose that shyness much more quickly. Basically, if you take two people and measure how "shy" they feel/act across many different observations and situations, one person will have a higher average/typical level of shyness than another. Thus, if you plot the population overall on each person's most typical level of shyness, you get a normal distribution with lots of people neither strongly shy or extroverted but some people strongly at one end of the continuum (though, even these people vary within themselves in level of shyness).
The 5 dimensions are empirically uncorrelated with each other. Thus, where you fall on the continuum for one dimension does not predict where you fall on the others. Thus, while some people are middle of the road on all 5, most people fall farther out from the mean on at least one dimension, with others falling on extremes on several. This creates numerous different patterns/profiles across the 5 dimensions that merely are claimed to reflect differences in what is most typical for a person relative to what is typical for other people.
I think these categories tend to give people a false notion that they have a deeply entrenched personality and that's a very bad trick to play on many people. I've met people throughout my life who tried to understand their lives and solve their problems. I never met one who would have been helped by a stronger belief that he or she had a deeply entrenched personality. Me I think it's better to increase the confidence the person has that he or she can change. The idea of personality is the opposite of that. Maybe it works for selling cars and life insurances but I think it's really counterproductive for improving one's life.Thus, while some people are middle of the road on all 5, most people fall farther out from the mean on at least one dimension, with others falling on extremes on several.
EB