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This guy was ranting today in the locker room at the Y. He was on the other side of a partition from me, so I merely heard him making his speech to two other guys (who seemed to passively let him have his say without much response.) I wouldn't have challenged his talking points anyway, because A, he was clearly a Trumpie, and these folks are madder than shit right now; B, he seemed to be live-streaming a whole bunch of social media squack that I've never heard; C, my poker face isn't on the expert level and he would've pinned me as a Biden Communist, but fast.
Out of idle curiosity, here are 3 of his cherished statements. (He prefaced all this by saying our governor -- Mike DeWine -- is an asshole and that covid restrictions in general are insane, because covid itself is part of a hoax.) But what the hell is he talking about with this stuff:
1) Bill Gates owns the patent on covid. And wouldn't you say that if you own the patent on covid, that you deserve the death penalty? (I know, this doesn't make sense if covid itself is a hoax and not an existential threat.) (Also, can you get patents on viruses these days?)
2) There's a CDC statement that's on-line somewhere, where CDC tells the hospitals that any flu symptoms whatever must be reported as covid, "even a high temperature", and therefore, we have all these inflated pandemic numbers.
3) It's all part of the One World government conspiracy, and just like Venezuela, one of the richest countries on earth, we're going to socialist hell.

The third one is so general that it could be heard almost any night on Fox or any afternoon on right wing radio. Points 1 and 2, though -- anyone know a possible source? Is there a germ of truth in 2?

P.S. If you're the guy from the Fremont Y and you're reading this, my name is Jack Jackson, and I live in Anytown, Ohio.
 
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Regarding #1, I found this: Coronavirus: How a false rumour led to hate online


As I understand it. a research institute in England has been studying coronaviruses for years. One of their financial supporters is the Gates Foundation. The research institute does indeed have a patent, but it's connected to a chicken vaccine for an older coronavirus, not COVID-19.

Throw all that into a blender, and what comes out is "Bill Gates owns the patent on COVID."
 
What would be the point in a patent on Covid??? Who would want to produce it???
 
Loren Pechtel said:
What would be the point in a patent on Covid??? Who would want to produce it???
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Whomever also has a patent on the cure.

Or, a bit more plausibly, perhaps whomever wants to sell a synthetic Covid strain to other laboratories for experimental use in developing that vaccine or cure. This one has actually happened, for instance with synthetic oxytocin aka pytosin in neurology studies.

However, while one can patent a synthetic substitute for a natural substance, one cannot patent a naturally occurring substance directly. Unless COVID-19 really was developed synthetically in a secret Chinese laboratory, but it seems like filing for a patent would be rather giving the game away, given that patent applications are public.
 
...speaking of covid - You're In a Locker Room at the Y?!?!??

I mean if you don't want to hear what these troglodytes have to say, you have all the reason in the world to avoid their hangouts.

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Politesse said:
Loren Pechtel said:
What would be the point in a patent on Covid??? Who would want to produce it???
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Whomever also has a patent on the cure.

Or, a bit more plausibly, perhaps whomever wants to sell a synthetic Covid strain to other laboratories for experimental use in developing that vaccine or cure. This one has actually happened, for instance with synthetic oxytocin aka pytosin in neurology studies.

However, while one can patent a synthetic substitute for a natural substance, one cannot patent a naturally occurring substance directly. Unless COVID-19 really was developed synthetically in a secret Chinese laboratory, but it seems like filing for a patent would be rather giving the game away, given that patent applications are public.
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Who knows what was going on over there, "serial passage" is something that seems interesting and does not need genetic cutting and pasting that apparently leave traces that are seen by experts.

The wiki on serial passage for influenza:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_passage#Influenza

Gain of function research with no risks would be great at figuring out a lot about the immune system. But there are risks.

Found this old 2004 paper on patenting the SARS virus

https://law.unimelb.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/1681117/Rimmer.pdf
 
Yesterday I was paging through the May 22 issue of The Week when I found this in an article on social media madness:
"What are they saying? Social media has been awash in lies, rumors and distortions about the coronavirus, its origins, and potential cures almost since the pandemic's start...Among the most popular Covid-19 myths were...'A group funded by Bill Gates patented the coronavirus'..."
So, in this fantasy, covid is a bioweapon and Bill Gates is behind it, so in my locker room buddy's mind, the death penalty is in order. Holy goddamn. Trumpworld, right?
 
As an arm chair liberal I bellow you should have engaged in a debate! As a person who values his life and also happens to be the main income in a house of 4 dependents knowing that said Trumpster probably wasn't wearing a masks; it aint worth it. It's a no brainer for average folks how patents work. It's all about the research, development & execution of whatever the patent is on. For example you can't patent oxygen itself but you sure can patent your own methods of producing oxygen. Idiots who think a patent on something automagically denotes the actual creation of something is patently false.
 
Gospel said:
As an arm chair liberal I bellow you should have engaged in a debate! As a person who values his life and also happens to be the main income in a house of 4 dependents knowing that said Trumpster probably wasn't wearing a masks; it aint worth it. It's a no brainer for average folks how patents work. It's all about the research, development & execution of whatever the patent is on. For example you can't patent oxygen itself but you sure can patent your own methods of producing oxygen. Idiots who think a patent on something automagically denotes the actual creation of something is patently false.
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What is kind of weird is how sensible and grounded criticism (along with some over the top excessive fear) of what corporations would do to make a buck off our poor health used to be a mostly left wing thing.

For example, this is about Splenda and how it raises the insulin levels of fat people given it before a meal about 20% more than those given just water.

The new study included 17 people who were severely obese (They had a body mass index over 42. A BMI of 30 is considered the starting point for obesity) and didn’t regularly consume artificially sweetened products. The study participants drank sucralose or water before taking a glucose challenge test. This test involves drinking a sugary solution before undergoing blood sugar measurements in order to see how well the body responds to sugar; it’s typically used as a tool to determine if a woman has gestational diabetes, according to the Mayo Clinic.

After that, the researchers asked all the study participants who first drank water to then drink sucralose before undergoing another glucose challenge test, and all those who first drank sucralose to then drink water before undergoing another glucose challenge test. Researchers found that consuming the sucralose was associated with higher blood sugar peaks and 20 percent higher insulin levels compared with consuming the water, though they noted more studies are needed to determine the actual health effects of a 20 percent increase in insulin.
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http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/non-nutritive-sweeteners-can-increase-insulin-resistance-in-those-who-are-obese/

But it is marketed as a health aid.

Anyway, even I don't think that this would have been a long sinister plan to do what the locker room guy said was done. Way too far.

Dial it back and look into something more realistic.

This is the time where online services can just about do everything and brick and mortar was already in a bad place. This virus does help big tech by accelerating this. But to bridge the gap to planned mass murder is crazytown
 
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