This Utah woman was charged for being topless in her own home.

[ZiprHead]

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2019/09/30/this-utah-woman-was/

It started off as an impromptu teaching moment for her young stepchildren.

Tilli Buchanan and her husband had been installing insulation in their garage, and had stripped off their clothes just inside their home to get the itchy materials off their skin. She was topless when her stepchildren bounded down the stairs.

The children were a little embarrassed at the sight — but Buchanan told them they shouldn’t treat her differently because she was a woman. They aren’t uncomfortable seeing their dad’s chest, she told them, so it shouldn’t be different for her.

But apparently state officials don’t have the same view. After getting wind of what Buchanan had thought was an innocent encounter, they filed criminal charges against the 27-year-old West Valley City woman.

She’s now facing three counts of lewdness involving a child — a class A misdemeanor. If convicted, Buchanan could land in jail and stay on the sex offender registry for the next 10 years.

She’s been fighting the case since prosecutors filed it in February, and soon, her attorney Randy Richards plans to ask a judge to find that Utah’s lewdness statute is unconstitutional because it discriminates against women.

 

[Toni]

It depends on who you believe. Apparently allegations include that she was drunk, stripped down in front of the children and said she’d put her shirt on only if her husband showed his penis.

It is almost certainly the case that these allegations come from the children's mother who heard some version from the kids and are probably a gross exaggeration of what actually happened. IRL, people sharing a home occasionally see one another in varying stages of undress and generally speaking, this is no big deal. If indeed she told her husband she’d only put her shirt on if he showed his penis while the children were present, that was out of line. Unless there’s a history of such inappropriate behavior, charges should be dismissed. They should also be dismissed if the kids were inadvertently exposed to her chest.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So she was drunk, exposed herself to the kids, and told the father to lop himself out of the pants... but they still have custody of the kids?

I agree with Toni and step it further that the Father “traded up” for a 27 yr old model. The youngest is 9 when means the step mother was 18 at the time that kid was born. So we have an angry divorced woman (rightfully so is unknown).

Presumably money is involved because... well... without looking at the records, the step mother is likely 10 yrs the younger.

 

[J842P]

It depends on who you believe. Apparently allegations include that she was drunk, stripped down in front of the children and said she’d put her shirt on only if her husband showed his penis.

It is almost certainly the case that these allegations come from the children's mother who heard some version from the kids and are probably a gross exaggeration of what actually happened. IRL, people sharing a home occasionally see one another in varying stages of undress and generally speaking, this is no big deal. If indeed she told her husband she’d only put her shirt on if he showed his penis while the children were present, that was out of line. Unless there’s a history of such inappropriate behavior, charges should be dismissed. They should also be dismissed if the kids were inadvertently exposed to her chest.

Yeah, I can imagine a situation where this would be clearly out of line, but again, I can imagine a situation where it is as mundane as is being described in Buchanan's favor.

I don't feel comfortable speculating, and who knows what's going on between two divorced people and a new spouse and the stepkids?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Based on some quick research, her husband is 11 years her senior.

 

[ZiprHead]

It depends on who you believe. Apparently allegations include that she was drunk, stripped down in front of the children and said she’d put her shirt on only if her husband showed his penis.

It is almost certainly the case that these allegations come from the children's mother who heard some version from the kids and are probably a gross exaggeration of what actually happened. IRL, people sharing a home occasionally see one another in varying stages of undress and generally speaking, this is no big deal. If indeed she told her husband she’d only put her shirt on if he showed his penis while the children were present, that was out of line. Unless there’s a history of such inappropriate behavior, charges should be dismissed. They should also be dismissed if the kids were inadvertently exposed to her chest.

Yeah, I can imagine a situation where this would be clearly out of line, but again, I can imagine a situation where it is as mundane as is being described in Buchanan's favor.

I don't feel comfortable speculating, and who knows what's going on between two divorced people and a new spouse and the stepkids?

This sounds to me like an ex-wife blowing things way out of proportion for what could be many reasons, child custody, spite, etc. How all these bad sounding details came to light is pretty suspicious in my book.

 

[Toni]

It depends on who you believe. Apparently allegations include that she was drunk, stripped down in front of the children and said she’d put her shirt on only if her husband showed his penis.

It is almost certainly the case that these allegations come from the children's mother who heard some version from the kids and are probably a gross exaggeration of what actually happened. IRL, people sharing a home occasionally see one another in varying stages of undress and generally speaking, this is no big deal. If indeed she told her husband she’d only put her shirt on if he showed his penis while the children were present, that was out of line. Unless there’s a history of such inappropriate behavior, charges should be dismissed. They should also be dismissed if the kids were inadvertently exposed to her chest.

Yeah, I can imagine a situation where this would be clearly out of line, but again, I can imagine a situation where it is as mundane as is being described in Buchanan's favor.

I don't feel comfortable speculating, and who knows what's going on between two divorced people and a new spouse and the stepkids?

This sounds to me like an ex-wife blowing things way out of proportion for what could be many reasons, child custody, spite, etc. How all these bad sounding details came to light is pretty suspicious in my book.

That was my first thought.

OTOH, I do know some pretty inappropriate people (not limited to 20 somethings) who behave very inappropriately in front of kids.

Note: Kids prefer to maintain the illusion that they are the products of immaculate conception and that while their parents deeply love one another (or their current spouses), they would never, ever engage in sex in such a way that the kids ever had to know that it was or ever had or ever might happen. Seriously.

 

[Toni]

It depends on who you believe. Apparently allegations include that she was drunk, stripped down in front of the children and said she’d put her shirt on only if her husband showed his penis.

It is almost certainly the case that these allegations come from the children's mother who heard some version from the kids and are probably a gross exaggeration of what actually happened. IRL, people sharing a home occasionally see one another in varying stages of undress and generally speaking, this is no big deal. If indeed she told her husband she’d only put her shirt on if he showed his penis while the children were present, that was out of line. Unless there’s a history of such inappropriate behavior, charges should be dismissed. They should also be dismissed if the kids were inadvertently exposed to her chest.

Up? Down? It's all a matter of perspective. Possibly he was simply looking for someone more his maturity level.

 

[Valjean]

What harm is being alleged?
Exposed breasts? O, the horror!

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

What harm is being alleged?
Exposed breasts? O, the horror!

Agreed. It's a fucked up society in which a lot of violence is considered ok, religious scaremongering is considered ok, but an exposed boob is a great taboo.

Unless these kids were being sexually molested or something I do not see anything wrong here.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What harm is being alleged?
Exposed breasts? O, the horror!

The allegation was that it was a lewd act that involved alcohol, which does change the calculus. There was already an investigation on going apparently that independent of this.

It seems strange though, that this is bad enough to warrant charges, but not bad enough to take the children from custody.

 

[Jarhyn]

What harm is being alleged?
Exposed breasts? O, the horror!

The allegation was that it was a lewd act that involved alcohol, which does change the calculus. There was already an investigation on going apparently that independent of this.

It seems strange though, that this is bad enough to warrant charges, but not bad enough to take the children from custody.

So they drank some beers while doing backbreaking work all day. In fact, casual toplessness is, in these contexts, even more acceptable.

 

[Keith&Co.]

It seems strange though, that this is bad enough to warrant charges, but not bad enough to take the children from custody.

Utah can't choose between the stepmom, who's a lewd alcoholic, and the bio-mom, who's a divorced tattle-tale, but favors the bio-daddy? What's strange about that?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

What harm is being alleged?
Exposed breasts? O, the horror!

The allegation was that it was a lewd act that involved alcohol, which does change the calculus. There was already an investigation on going apparently that independent of this.

It seems strange though, that this is bad enough to warrant charges, but not bad enough to take the children from custody.

So they drank some beers while doing backbreaking work all day. In fact, casual toplessness is, in these contexts, even more acceptable.

Yes. Why should women have to keep their tips on in the heat while working? It's "indecent" because children were around? That's nonsense.

 

[ZiprHead]

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[Gun Nut]

There is no evidence this woman was intoxicated.. it was "reported" to the police... presumably from the woman that was not present.

This is what happened...

a child said some things about something that allegedly happened.
an adult with an ax to grind said some things to the police about what the child had allegedly said to her about what allegedly happened.

So, no reliable information is available about any aspect of this. I predict the woman that reported the incident to police will face charges of filing a false police report. motive being related to custody of the children... I have no more reason to believe this than the version of the story that involves sexual acts with the children.. so its totally trueish.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

What harm is being alleged?
Exposed breasts? O, the horror!

The allegation was that it was a lewd act that involved alcohol, which does change the calculus. There was already an investigation on going apparently that independent of this.

It seems strange though, that this is bad enough to warrant charges, but not bad enough to take the children from custody.

Probably they aren't convinced it really happened.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What harm is being alleged?
Exposed breasts? O, the horror!

The allegation was that it was a lewd act that involved alcohol, which does change the calculus. There was already an investigation on going apparently that independent of this.

It seems strange though, that this is bad enough to warrant charges, but not bad enough to take the children from custody.

Probably they aren't convinced it really happened.

Yes, that is why they are taking her to court?

 

[Keith&Co.]

Probably they aren't convinced it really happened.

Yes, that is why they are taking her to court?

I might enjoy getting the ex wife on the stand to ask, under oath, how she knows about the penis demand.
And compare her story to the children's depositions....

 

[Valjean]

Kids watch murder and mayhem on TV all day, yet a casual glimpse of a boob is an outrage to public decency?