This video doesn't show what the ACLU thinks it does

[Ahab]

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For some strange reason ACLU thinks this man is a good father.

There is nothing wrong with a boy playing with 'girl toys' or preferring to wear 'girl clothes' anymore than it would be for a girl to wear 'boy clothes' or play with 'boy toys'.

Seems to me he is a terrible father. He is so attached to gender stereotypes that the only way he can accept his child's desires to play with girl toys or wear girl clothes is to pretend that his child is a girl.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I have no idea the status of the father or his child. What I do know is that a video is incapable of providing a lens into their life at home.

 

[WAB]

Seems to be a man who wants his child to be happy.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Seems to me he is a terrible father. He is so attached to gender stereotypes that the only way he can accept his child's desires to play with girl toys or wear girl clothes is to pretend that his child is a girl.

All you got out of that was a kid wanting to play with girl toys and wear girl clothes? That's the central issue as you see it?

 

[TV and credit cards]

More shit legislation from shit politicians. I doesn't matter if it gets stricken down by the courts. It doesn't matter who gets hurt in the process. All that matter is to appeal to their reprehensible constituents. So they can say they tried. They tried to make you feel better by making others feel miserable. They tried. Don't forget to vote.

Well, at least it forces the courts to make decisions.

And it's a losing game regardless. Who would live their life acquiescing to being who they are not? No law or court can dictate such a thing.

We are not as others perceive us to be. These children will need their parent's guidance more than most but in the end we will all be who we know we are.

 

[laughing dog]

Seems to me he is a terrible father. He is so attached to gender stereotypes that the only way he can accept his child's desires to play with girl toys or wear girl clothes is to pretend that his child is a girl.

Unless you are well acquainted with that family and that child, you really have no standing or information to come to such a conclusion.

 

[Jarhyn]

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For some strange reason ACLU thinks this man is a good father.

There is nothing wrong with a boy playing with 'girl toys' or preferring to wear 'girl clothes' anymore than it would be for a girl to wear 'boy clothes' or play with 'boy toys'.

Seems to me he is a terrible father. He is so attached to gender stereotypes that the only way he can accept his child's desires to play with girl toys or wear girl clothes is to pretend that his child is a girl.

Wow. Either we didn't watch the same video or you need to get yourself right.

All he is doing is listening to his daughter about who his daughter is and actually accepting that. I doubt he was insisting that she be a girl. All I can say is that this situation, were I in it (a child picking up social roles that do not match my expectations or models for normal behavior), the first thing that I would do would be to ask what, exactly, are the child's goals for their behavior, whether they just like this, who they seek to peer-group with, how they wish to navigate puberty.

It seems like this father fought for a long time on figuring out that's what he needed to do, to release control and drop his expectations of who his daughter ought be.

Maybe, just maybe, it is his daughter who is so attached to gender stereotypes and the way she chooses to express herself is "as a girl" as is her right. It seems to me you have terrible views for being so attached to sexual developmental determinism that you would deny sexual developmental free will and pretend that a human being ought not get to decide that for themselves.

 

[repoman]

So this male child is either truly transgender in relation to discomfort of the male physical body regardless of gendered clothing and toys and activities or is fine with a male body and does not like a boy's role.

This is not a small difference. There are some gay men who suspect that if they were children now they would be thought of as transgender because they were temperamentally and behaviorally very feminine as children. I think they are a bit paranoid, but not in all cases.



But in many ways it is the bible bashers that have the gender roles so rigid that Ahab should be complaining about. My seat of the pants take is that most people are naturally fitting in biologically with gender roles, so on the other side don't go so far where feminine women and masculine men feel they have to rein that in. It would be a "Demolition Man" future for that to happen in a large degree though, fairly unlikely.

So, what about people who want to live with the highly stereotyped gender roles of their opposite birth sex (because that is what their temperament is) but do NOT want any hormones or surgery? Sort of like permanent drag, but not as a performance. Should this be a further category?

 

[Jarhyn]

So this male child is either truly transgender in relation to discomfort of the male physical body regardless of gendered clothing and toys and activities or is fine with a male body and does not like a boy's role.

This is not a small difference. There are some gay men who suspect that if they were children now they would be thought of as transgender because they were temperamentally and behaviorally very feminine as children. I think they are a bit paranoid, but not in all cases.



But in many ways it is the bible bashers that have the gender roles so rigid that Ahab should be complaining about. My seat of the pants take is that most people are naturally fitting in biologically with gender roles, so on the other side don't go so far where feminine women and masculine men feel they have to rein that in. It would be a "Demolition Man" future for that to happen in a large degree though, fairly unlikely.

So, what about people who want to live with the highly stereotyped gender roles of their opposite birth sex (because that is what their temperament is) but do NOT want any hormones or surgery? Sort of like permanent drag, but not as a performance. Should this be a further category?

So, there are a lot of problems with modern approaches to gender, though less problems than with past approaches. Foremost among these problematic elements is as you describe: people getting pigeon-holed.

Now, one of these issues comes into the rhythm of communication that are part and parcel with how we present ourselves to the world, and the cultures which we present them to.

It's something I personally struggle with, in that I would totally have a nice evening gown tailored for me, and I would totally wear it were I to know I could get compliments for wearing it well... But I know that I cannot, and that doing so would not have the effect I wish, even if I myself would sincerely compliment any man who wore likewise.

Personally, I think that the categorization is itself problematic. I see nothing wrong with letting my child be whoever, present as whoever, peer with whoever, and have whichever puberty they feel most comfortable with having (and seeing to it they make the decisions for themselves rather than reasons others foist upon them). They will figure out how to effectively advertise themselves for whatever activities they have proclivities to, and that's going to be enough, I suspect. Granted that is going to be rare thing indeed for men to be both "men" by identity and hormones and play to a "woman" stereotype on the basis that for better or worse, they hamstring their ability to reliably find communities that will include them; there are plenty here and elsewhere that would happily reject "men" from places where they may seek the actuation of their temperament on the pure basis of their self-identified masculinity.

As such, I think we are an unfortunate distance from the world wherein a man can wear an evening gown to a nice party. Which is sad. Because I totally would wear an evening gown to a black tie event.

 

[Gun Nut]

Seems to me he is a terrible father. He is so attached to gender stereotypes that the only way he can accept his child's desires to play with girl toys or wear girl clothes is to pretend that his child is a girl.

I can't imagine that you can possibly know this to be true. I can only imagine that you simply WISH it to be true. So that is the interesting question to me; Why do you wish this to be true?

 

[Gospel]

Yeah, what Gun Nut & Jarhyn just said.

 

[J842P]

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For some strange reason ACLU thinks this man is a good father.

There is nothing wrong with a boy playing with 'girl toys' or preferring to wear 'girl clothes' anymore than it would be for a girl to wear 'boy clothes' or play with 'boy toys'.

Seems to me he is a terrible father. He is so attached to gender stereotypes that the only way he can accept his child's desires to play with girl toys or wear girl clothes is to pretend that his child is a girl.

It doesn't sound like that at all.

Your comment seems like a shallow attempt at a "gotcha".

 

[Metaphor]

From the video:

"It will affect my daughter. It will mean she cannot play on the girl's volleyball squad, or dance squad, or tennis team."

His biological male offspring does not qualify for the girl's volleyball squad or girl's tennis (I don't know how dance squads work so I won't comment on it).

This man is, of course, concerned with his own offspring, but evidently does not care about other people's daughters right to single sex spaces. He thinks its a free lunch to accommodate his trans-identified male offspring; if only people could 'be kind'.

The ACLU has been ideologically captured by the transgender rights movement under Chase Strangio, who basically lies daily for a living on Twitter and every other social media channel the ACLU has.

 

[Trausti]

From the video:

"It will affect my daughter. It will mean she cannot play on the girl's volleyball squad, or dance squad, or tennis team."

His biological male offspring does not qualify for the girl's volleyball squad or girl's tennis (I don't know how dance squads work so I won't comment on it).

This man is, of course, concerned with his own offspring, but evidently does not care about other people's daughters right to single sex spaces. He thinks its a free lunch to accommodate his trans-identified male offspring; if only people could 'be kind'.

The ACLU has been ideologically captured by the transgender rights movement under Chase Strangio, who basically lies daily for a living on Twitter and every other social media channel the ACLU has.

Transgender exists only in the head; that someone might truly feels they are in the wrong body or prefer to dress as the opposite sex does not change the biological reality of the rest of the body. It's unfair to biological females, and selfish for biological males, to insist biological females compete against biologically stronger males just so those biological males can affirm their feminine identity.

 

[Trausti]

US Army Reviews Gender-Neutral Combat Fitness Test

Military.com, citing an unnamed army official, reported that physiological differences between men and women could cause individual scores to differ by as much as 100 points on average.

 

[Gun Nut]

Transgender exists only in the head; that someone might truly feels they are in the wrong body or prefer to dress as the opposite sex does not change the biological reality of the rest of the body.

What element of the human existence is not "only in the head"? Existence itself is an illusion we all individually create with the establishment of mind.

 

[Jarhyn]

Transgender exists only in the head; that someone might truly feels they are in the wrong body or prefer to dress as the opposite sex does not change the biological reality of the rest of the body.

What element of the human existence is not "only in the head"? Existence itself is an illusion we all individually create with the establishment of mind.

And "sex" only lives on the crotch. When what is "in the head" determines my experiences, who I am, how I understand the world, and pretty much every other aspect of my goals and desires and self, that seems so much more important to me than some part of me I could literally chop off and be the rest of it without much social difference for the rest of my life.

The 'biological reality of the rest of the body' does not change the 'biological realities that exist in the brain'.

And let's be clear, 'the rest of the body' in this discussion comprises a bit of flesh about the size of an apple that does no thinking, and has no heirarchical control over the rest of it.

 

[Gospel]

Again, what Gun Nut and Jarhyn said (except the apple part, I'm more a dragon fruit kinda guy).

 

[Trausti]

Transgender exists only in the head; that someone might truly feels they are in the wrong body or prefer to dress as the opposite sex does not change the biological reality of the rest of the body.

What element of the human existence is not "only in the head"? Existence itself is an illusion we all individually create with the establishment of mind.

And "sex" only lives on the crotch. When what is "in the head" determines my experiences, who I am, how I understand the world, and pretty much every other aspect of my goals and desires and self, that seems so much more important to me than some part of me I could literally chop off and be the rest of it without much social difference for the rest of my life.

The 'biological reality of the rest of the body' does not change the 'biological realities that exist in the brain'.

And let's be clear, 'the rest of the body' in this discussion comprises a bit of flesh about the size of an apple that does no thinking, and has no heirarchical control over the rest of it.

Millions of years of primate sexual dimorphism occurred for no reason whatsoever.

The impact of sex on gene expression across human tissues

Many complex human phenotypes exhibit sex-differentiated characteristics. However, the molecular mechanisms underlying these differences remain largely unknown. We generated a catalog of sex differences in gene expression and in the genetic regulation of gene expression across 44 human tissue sources surveyed by the Genotype-Tissue Expression project (GTEx, v8 release). We demonstrate that sex influences gene expression levels and cellular composition of tissue samples across the human body. A total of 37% of all genes exhibit sex-biased expression in at least one tissue. We identify cis expression quantitative trait loci (eQTLs) with sex-differentiated effects and characterize their cellular origin. By integrating sex-biased eQTLs with genome-wide association study data, we identify 58 gene-trait associations that are driven by genetic regulation of gene expression in a single sex. These findings provide an extensive characterization of sex differences in the human transcriptome and its genetic regulation.

 

[Trausti]

Transgender Identity Is Associated With Bullying Involvement Among Finnish Adolescents

Results: Both experiences of being bullied and perpetrating bullying were more commonly reported by transgender youth than by cisgender youth. Among transgender youth, all involvement in bullying was more commonly reported by non-binary youth than those identifying with the opposite sex. Logistic regression revealed that non-binary identity was most strongly associated with involvement in bullying, followed by opposite sex identity and cisgender identity. Transgender identities were also more strongly associated with perpetration of bullying than subjection to bullying.

What a surprise.