Tier 1 Water Shortage for SW appears inevitable

[DBT]

That is already being done in some places. The Murray/Darling region in Victoria has trade in water, buying water rights, etc. Which also causes a set of problems.

Any change causes "problems". What is your point?

As in the case of the Murray Darling region, the 'solution' doesn't really address the issue of water management yet causes economic hardship for many towns along the river systems.

The point is, we need to act smarter but vested interests appear to do their best to prevent that from happening.

 

[laughing dog]

That is already being done in some places. The Murray/Darling region in Victoria has trade in water, buying water rights, etc. Which also causes a set of problems.

Any change causes "problems". What is your point?

As in the case of the Murray Darling region, the 'solution' doesn't really address the issue of water management yet causes economic hardship for many towns along the river systems.

The point is, we need to act smarter but vested interests appear to do their best to prevent that from happening.

You mean like water users complaining about tradable water rights that increased their price of water?

Increased water scarcity is going to mean economic hardship for someone(s), regardless how it is dealt with.

 

[DBT]

As in the case of the Murray Darling region, the 'solution' doesn't really address the issue of water management yet causes economic hardship for many towns along the river systems.

The point is, we need to act smarter but vested interests appear to do their best to prevent that from happening.

You mean like water users complaining about tradable water rights that increased their price of water?

Increased water scarcity is going to mean economic hardship for someone(s), regardless how it is dealt with.

I mean basic human nature, where each self interest group lobbies the Government to pass laws that favour their needs and wants. Where the compromises that are made result in a less than ideal response to what may be an ecological and economic crisis.

 

[barbos]

This doesn't necessarily mean that we must stop farming almonds, but it does mean farmers need to stop some troublesome practices like flood-irrigating orchards in early Spring and invest in subsurface drip systems that are more efficient. The theoretical drought tolerance of the plant means nothing if the growers refuse to take advantage of those tolerances. And as with all things America, this has become a partisan battle where facts are often ignored. A substantial portion of almond growers do not believe that there is a drought, and refuse to risk more disease and less yield adjusting for a natural crisis that they believe to be an Obama-era hoax.

Interesting, I wonder what percentage of water is actually going through almond tree . You can in theory make water loss through evaporation from soil smaller by simply covering it, at least partially.

 

[fromderinside]

Does bark, not dog bark, tree bark respirate or produce energy? If not then one can place a water containing sleeve over trunk bark and on the ground above where roots drive to efficiently introduce water to the Almond tree, providing point of contact hydration with results of leaf photosynthesis for tree nutrition and health.

 

[laughing dog]

As in the case of the Murray Darling region, the 'solution' doesn't really address the issue of water management yet causes economic hardship for many towns along the river systems.

The point is, we need to act smarter but vested interests appear to do their best to prevent that from happening.

You mean like water users complaining about tradable water rights that increased their price of water?

Increased water scarcity is going to mean economic hardship for someone(s), regardless how it is dealt with.

I mean basic human nature, where each self interest group lobbies the Government to pass laws that favour their needs and wants. Where the compromises that are made result in a less than ideal response to what may be an ecological and economic crisis.

I see, you think there is an ideal response to these situations that will result in no one facing some hardship.

 

[Politesse]

It seems like there is some interest for getting into the details of almond production and water reduction! I highly recommend the website UC Davis maintains on the subject. Their work is politically controversial but scientifically rigorous, and their website is pretty transparent and detailed.

http://ucmanagedrought.ucdavis.edu/Agriculture/Crop_Irrigation_Strategies/Almonds/

A wander through the sidebar will give you some information on other common California crops as well.

 

[DBT]

I mean basic human nature, where each self interest group lobbies the Government to pass laws that favour their needs and wants. Where the compromises that are made result in a less than ideal response to what may be an ecological and economic crisis.

I see, you think there is an ideal response to these situations that will result in no one facing some hardship.

Our response to a crisis, ecological, economical, etc, may range from being very effective to virtually useless, or on balance may even cause more harm than good....depending on who is running the government.

The right wing, for instance, hardly acknowledge that that we have a ecological or climate problem. So, if in power, what are they likely to do? Business as usual?

What is 'ideal?'

 

[laughing dog]

I mean basic human nature, where each self interest group lobbies the Government to pass laws that favour their needs and wants. Where the compromises that are made result in a less than ideal response to what may be an ecological and economic crisis.

I see, you think there is an ideal response to these situations that will result in no one facing some hardship.

Our response to a crisis, ecological, economical, etc, may range from being very effective to virtually useless, or on balance may even cause more harm than good....depending on who is running the government.

The right wing, for instance, hardly acknowledge that that we have a ecological or climate problem. So, if in power, what are they likely to do? Business as usual?

What is 'ideal?'

You are the one who brought up "ideal response", not me. My point is that any response to an ecological or economic issue will have winners and losers - someone will bear an unwanted hardship.

 

[DBT]

Our response to a crisis, ecological, economical, etc, may range from being very effective to virtually useless, or on balance may even cause more harm than good....depending on who is running the government.

The right wing, for instance, hardly acknowledge that that we have a ecological or climate problem. So, if in power, what are they likely to do? Business as usual?

What is 'ideal?'

You are the one who brought up "ideal response", not me. My point is that any response to an ecological or economic issue will have winners and losers - someone will bear an unwanted hardship.

Sometimes the response in a crisis is far from 'ideal' - which is just another way of saying an 'inadequate response.' Nor did I suggest that no one would or should be disadvantaged whenever a course of action undertaken. That is inevitable.

It's a matter balance between effective action and possible disadvantages suffered by those who can least afford it.

 

[Gun Nut]

Most things having consequences, I wonder what the downside to large scale world wide desalinization may turn out to be.

Rain.

LOL. and the "upside" is evaporation. that's pretty funny.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Meanwhile in Climate Changed... farms in California continue to deal and adapt to the water situation that isn't changing for the better.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Meanwhile in Climate Changed... farms in California continue to deal and adapt to the water situation that isn't changing for the better.

Good read. Thanks!

 

[steve_bank]

Add the PNW.

 

[Worldtraveller]

California just shut down one of their hydro-electric dams because there's not enough water to run it.

 

[Politesse]

That is the Oroville Dam, the same structure that nearly failed and flooded the Feather River Valley four years ago. How swiftly the situation changes. I wonder whether thermal stress from an empty hot summer will further endanger the structure?

 

[steve_bank]

California just shut down one of their hydro-electric dams because there's not enough water to run it.

Saw it on the news. It is happening elsewhere as well.