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Trump 2024?

Trump running in '24 is probably Sleepy Joe's best chance for re-election.
They could run Gomhert, Gaetz, Greene or Gosar and have a cakewalk. But Running a twice impeached two time loser who tried to abolish democracy...
That would be a real gifty for the Dems.
 
Those people are progressives, not conservatives.
What "progress" are they making? :brood:

We used to be "The Nation of Immigrants". They want to progress beyond that old nonsense.

I liked our old ways.
Tom

ETA ~Were I able,
I'd make a video of modern GOP leaders pulling down The Statue of Liberty, with all that "send me your poor" stuff they've progressed beyond.~
The term you are looking for is actually "right-wing populist".

Nevertheless, I am a Conservative and Trump is a Progressive.

Welcome to the brave new world.
Tom
Pulling in a stupid direction for stupid reasons is not progressive.
Especially when they tell themselves they're 'returning' to a mythical past of American purity and dominance.

Stupid is a rather subjective judgement.

Hillary was advocating small, incremental, changes. Trump was advocating huge sweeping changes.
That makes Hillary the conservative choice and Trump the progressive choice.

I don't even know what liberal means any more. It doesn't seem to mean anything. It's a label partisan dumbasses use to tell the viewers what to think before the dumbass says anything important.
Thomas Jefferson was a notorious liberal who owned black people. Stalin is viewed as a leftist, when he looks more like a TeaPartier with power than AOC.

These words just get so complex in the 21st century.
Tom
 

We used to be "The Nation of Immigrants". They want to progress beyond that old nonsense.

I liked our old ways.
Tom

ETA ~Were I able,
I'd make a video of modern GOP leaders pulling down The Statue of Liberty, with all that "send me your poor" stuff they've progressed beyond.~
The term you are looking for is actually "right-wing populist".

Nevertheless, I am a Conservative and Trump is a Progressive.

Welcome to the brave new world.
Tom
Pulling in a stupid direction for stupid reasons is not progressive.
Especially when they tell themselves they're 'returning' to a mythical past of American purity and dominance.

Stupid is a rather subjective judgement.

Hillary was advocating small, incremental, changes. Trump was advocating huge sweeping changes.
That makes Hillary the conservative choice and Trump the progressive choice.
Okay, so your choice is just to use words as you'd prefer.

Seriously, Trump's motto was "Make America Great Again"... as in RETURN it to where it was, back in the good ole days. That'd be conservative, not progressive. Otherwise Putin is progressive for wanting to make big change by bringing Ukraine back into Russia, like in the old days.
These words just get so complex in the 21st century.
Yes, words are harder to understand if you don't use them properly.
 
Trump running in '24 is probably Sleepy Joe's best chance for re-election.
There are no guarantees. I do not underestimate the right-wing fascists and their representation in the House and sparse representation in the Senate anymore. We were just one person shy of Trump's second.
They could run Gomhert, Gaetz, Greene or Gosar and have a cakewalk. But Running a twice impeached two time loser who tried to abolish democracy...
That would be a real gifty for the Dems.
No. The fact that Trump won the majority at CPAC indicates our country is fucked. The right-wing consists of far right-wingers and fascists.
 
CPAC doesn't even represent everyone who voted for Cheato in 2020. And he lost that by ~8m votes.
If he has to overcome a 10m vote deficit, that is going to be a tall order, even with all their cheating*.
He has major stench on him.

* depending on how much they can do after taking control of Congress this year
 
Those people are progressives, not conservatives.
What "progress" are they making? :brood:

We used to be "The Nation of Immigrants". They want to progress beyond that old nonsense.

I liked our old ways.
Tom

ETA ~Were I able,
I'd make a video of modern GOP leaders pulling down The Statue of Liberty, with all that "send me your poor" stuff they've progressed beyond.~
The term you are looking for is actually "right-wing populist".

Nevertheless, I am a Conservative and Trump is a Progressive.

Welcome to the brave new world.
Tom
Pulling in a stupid direction for stupid reasons is not progressive.
Especially when they tell themselves they're 'returning' to a mythical past of American purity and dominance.

Stupid is a rather subjective judgement.
But backwards isn't. He's literally fighting progressive changes.
Hillary was advocating small, incremental, changes. Trump was advocating huge sweeping changes.
That makes Hillary the conservative choice and Trump the progressive choice.
Small incremental changes forward, sweeping restrictions, losses of rights and progress.
A sweeping change of removing the progressive Affordable Care Act is not progressive.
I think 'reactionary' would be a better term.

Bug nuts.
Retarded.
Lots of words apply a lot better than progressive.

I don't even know what liberal means any more.
Right now it means Not Anti-Science, Not Anti-Women, Not Anti-Equal Opportunity.

It doesn't seem to mean anything. It's a label partisan dumbasses use to tell the viewers what to think before the dumbass says anything important.
...like communism, socialism, Marxism, responsibility, mandate...
 
CPAC doesn't even represent everyone who voted for Cheato in 2020. And he lost that by ~8m votes.
If he has to overcome a 10m vote deficit, that is going to be a tall order, even with all their cheating*.
He has major stench on him.

* depending on how much they can do after taking control of Congress this year
Trump didn't lose the election by 8 million votes. He lost several states by very fine margins, states run mostly by GOP governments that have been aiming to restrict access to the ballot.
 
Trump running in '24 is probably Sleepy Joe's best chance for re-election.
There are no guarantees. I do not underestimate the right-wing fascists and their representation in the House and sparse representation in the Senate anymore. We were just one person shy of Trump's second.
They could run Gomhert, Gaetz, Greene or Gosar and have a cakewalk. But Running a twice impeached two time loser who tried to abolish democracy...
That would be a real gifty for the Dems.
No. The fact that Trump won the majority at CPAC indicates our country is fucked. The right-wing consists of far right-wingers and fascists.
You forgot that the US has lost around a million people, and those most heavily impacted by it are those who think the virus was a hoax, and other "conservative" idiots.

I'm a little bit hopeful that the margins have been impacted meaningfully in exchange for some well earned Darwin awards.
 
Trump running in '24 is probably Sleepy Joe's best chance for re-election.
There are no guarantees. I do not underestimate the right-wing fascists and their representation in the House and sparse representation in the Senate anymore. We were just one person shy of Trump's second.
They could run Gomhert, Gaetz, Greene or Gosar and have a cakewalk. But Running a twice impeached two time loser who tried to abolish democracy...
That would be a real gifty for the Dems.
No. The fact that Trump won the majority at CPAC indicates our country is fucked. The right-wing consists of far right-wingers and fascists.
You forgot that the US has lost around a million people, and those most heavily impacted by it are those who think the virus was a hoax, and other "conservative" idiots.

I'm a little bit hopeful that the margins have been impacted meaningfully in exchange for some well earned Darwin awards.
Too spread out. A notable plurality of deaths were in Florida, California, Texas and New York. And while deaths likely went under-reported in Florida, they aren't remotely in touch with a Federal Election margin of victory in 2020, where the state voted heavily in favor of the anti-socialist dumpster fire.

Georgia and Arizona could be interesting, but the margins would still be very tight.
 
Those people are progressives, not conservatives.
What "progress" are they making? :brood:
More like ‘regressive’ than progressives. The GOP’s actual stances/actions on taxation, regulation, and social issues make it rather clear they would like nothing more than to usher us into the 1890’s. The Gilded Age is closest to what they seem to think is when America was great. I recall one congressman even saying it was great in his grandmother’s time, which was in that age.
 
CPAC doesn't even represent everyone who voted for Cheato in 2020. And he lost that by ~8m votes.
If he has to overcome a 10m vote deficit, that is going to be a tall order, even with all their cheating*.
He has major stench on him.

* depending on how much they can do after taking control of Congress this year
Trump didn't lose the election by 8 million votes. He lost several states by very fine margins, states run mostly by GOP governments that have been aiming to restrict access to the ballot.
Of course, I know about the few thousand votes that decided the electoral college. The same was true of Trump’s 2016 “landslide”, but the popular vote margin was only 3 mil. Again, if the popular vote margin swells to 10m they’re going to have to cheat that much harder just to win the EC.
 
You forgot that the US has lost around a million people, and those most heavily impacted by it are those who think the virus was a hoax, and other "conservative" idiots.

I'm a little bit hopeful that the margins have been impacted meaningfully in exchange for some well earned Darwin awards.

And note that the distribution skews heavily towards the older people--and older people are more likely to be Republican. Thus even amongst the ones that aren't death cultists it will help the Democrats.
 
I don't actually think Sleepy Joe can beat anyone, except maybe Trump. But only if Trump comes fully loaded and shoots himself in the foot daily throughout the campaign.
 
I don't even know what liberal means any more.
It might help if you are mindful of the difference between economic liberalism and social liberalism. Conservatives tend to favour the former and deprecate the latter. The tendency among progressives is to sacrifice some of the former for the sake of the latter. Neo-conservatives like Hillary Clinton - and now Joseph Biden - try to have it both ways. That has not worked out well for the vast majority of the electorate since the early to mid 1970s. Before then the rising tide lifted all boats, albeit at different rates.
 
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Those people are progressives, not conservatives.
What "progress" are they making? :brood:

We used to be "The Nation of Immigrants". They want to progress beyond that old nonsense.

I liked our old ways.
Tom

ETA ~Were I able,
I'd make a video of modern GOP leaders pulling down The Statue of Liberty, with all that "send me your poor" stuff they've progressed beyond.~
The term you are looking for is actually "right-wing populist".

Nevertheless, I am a Conservative and Trump is a Progressive.

Welcome to the brave new world.
Tom
Pulling in a stupid direction for stupid reasons is not progressive.
Especially when they tell themselves they're 'returning' to a mythical past of American purity and dominance.
Yeah, "progressive" does not mean pining for the past. It is not progressive to say Make _____ Great Again
 
CPAC doesn't even represent everyone who voted for Cheato in 2020. And he lost that by ~8m votes.
If he has to overcome a 10m vote deficit, that is going to be a tall order, even with all their cheating*.
He has major stench on him.

* depending on how much they can do after taking control of Congress this year
Trump didn't lose the election by 8 million votes. He lost several states by very fine margins, states run mostly by GOP governments that have been aiming to restrict access to the ballot.
Of course, I know about the few thousand votes that decided the electoral college. The same was true of Trump’s 2016 “landslide”, but the popular vote margin was only 3 mil. Again, if the popular vote margin swells to 10m they’re going to have to cheat that much harder just to win the EC.
And in what universe do you think they haven't already cheated?
 
CPAC doesn't even represent everyone who voted for Cheato in 2020. And he lost that by ~8m votes.
If he has to overcome a 10m vote deficit, that is going to be a tall order, even with all their cheating*.
He has major stench on him.

* depending on how much they can do after taking control of Congress this year
Trump didn't lose the election by 8 million votes. He lost several states by very fine margins, states run mostly by GOP governments that have been aiming to restrict access to the ballot.
Of course, I know about the few thousand votes that decided the electoral college. The same was true of Trump’s 2016 “landslide”, but the popular vote margin was only 3 mil. Again, if the popular vote margin swells to 10m they’re going to have to cheat that much harder just to win the EC.
And in what universe do you think they haven't already cheated?
WUT? There is no such universe.
"they’re going to have to cheat that much harder"
And they will. Bet on it.
 
Those people are progressives, not conservatives.
What "progress" are they making? :brood:

We used to be "The Nation of Immigrants". They want to progress beyond that old nonsense.

I liked our old ways.
Tom

ETA ~Were I able,
I'd make a video of modern GOP leaders pulling down The Statue of Liberty, with all that "send me your poor" stuff they've progressed beyond.~
The term you are looking for is actually "right-wing populist".

Nevertheless, I am a Conservative and Trump is a Progressive.

Welcome to the brave new world.
Tom
Pulling in a stupid direction for stupid reasons is not progressive.
Especially when they tell themselves they're 'returning' to a mythical past of American purity and dominance.

Stupid is a rather subjective judgement.

Hillary was advocating small, incremental, changes. Trump was advocating huge sweeping changes.
That makes Hillary the conservative choice and Trump the progressive choice.

I don't even know what liberal means any more. It doesn't seem to mean anything. It's a label partisan dumbasses use to tell the viewers what to think before the dumbass says anything important.
Thomas Jefferson was a notorious liberal who owned black people. Stalin is viewed as a leftist, when he looks more like a TeaPartier with power than AOC.

These words just get so complex in the 21st century.
Tom
the term for Trump and his supporters is reactionary
 
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