Trump and Hitler - a comparison

[Derec]

What you are missing is that it it's perception of function, not actual function. It's not actual disorder that made people vote for The Felon.

In 2016 I think it most definitely was the #BLM riots that contributed to it.
In 2024 the situation is more complex, but I think crime issues played a role. Since 2016 the Democratic Party moved to the left. Soft-on-crime DAs like Alvin Bragg and George Gascon were elected all over the country. NY State passed the bail deform where a wide swath of criminals cannot be held in jail pretrial and not even bail can be demanded, even if they commit crimes over and over again.
Then we had the 2020 riots where local DAs and even Feds once Biden and Garland took over went very easy on the perpetrators. We are talking sentences like 12-15 months for a pair of arsonist lawyers in NYC or 10 years for a deadly arson in Minneapolis (federal guidelines 20 years) where the US attorney argued for leniency because of the arsonist belonged to "Black Lives Matter".
Then there is the epidemic of retail and car thefts, often by juveniles that are released to parents with no consequences in many instances.
You don't think all that contributed to the sense of frustration and alienation among many people?

Yes, Trump is horrible and I held my nose and voted Harris/Walz, but let's not pretend that Kamala Harris, who infamously lied about Michael Brown having been murdered, was the right person for this moment. 2024 was the year of the backlash to the leftward lurch of the Democratic Party, a lurch Kamala Harris embraced in 2019 during her run for president. Note that in 2024, even fauxgressive California finally voted out George Gascon, recalled left-wing Alameda County DA Pamela Price, and rolled out some of the provisions of a previous ballot measure that relaxed penalties for theft, a measure DAs like Gascon misused to not prosecute many thefts at all.

What's new about this? I was the victim of a bunch of bullies back in school. The school didn't have the power to do anything and they knew that the police would just promptly release them to their parents. That was nearly 50 years ago.

This is not bullying (and for the record, I think schools should have more power to do something) but serial grand theft auto. These kids get arrested over and over again, but because of the laws in these jurisdictions, they get released to their parents with no consequences.
'We don't always get it right': Court records show juvenile car thieves are typically released to parents

A 16-year-old driving a stolen car through Hamilton County on June 22, 2023, tried to outrun a police pursuit, but he crashed the vehicle into the back of a Glendale police car, according to police records.
The teen pulled around the police car, then ditched his ride and took off on foot, jumping fences as the Glendale officer — with his body-worn camera recording the chase — finally caught him.
[...]
When it happened, the boy was under house arrest for other criminal charges, including sex offenses against a younger child, according to Hamilton County Juvenile Court records.
After the arrest, he was admitted to the Hamilton County Youth Center.
Two weeks later, court records show he was released to his mother.
[...]
He said after juvenile car thieves are arrested, they're generally released to their parents or guardians — even if they have other criminal charges.
[...]
Hamilton County Juvenile Court Administrator Liz Igoe said judges and magistrates are required to do what's in the best interest of the child defendant and balance that with public safety.
"When we are not detaining kids, it's because the information we have at the time, we believe, this is a child that can safely be released to the community," Igoe said.

Really? A car thief with a pending "sex offenses" charge can "safely be released to the community"? Also, a 16 year old is a minor, but he is not a child. There is a difference.

Note that this is Ohio. A state where Democrats are no longer competitive statewide. Even the long-time Senate incumbent Sherrod Brown lost 46.5-50.1%. He still outperformed Harris-Walz, since she lost bigly (43.9-55.1).
Hamilton County, from the above article, went for Harris 56.7-41.9%. Of course, Hamilton County contains Cincinnati which helps explain it. But Democrats cannot afford to only play in cities.

Children 11 to 14, arrested, released after robberies, crash of stolen Kias

[Police Chief Brian] O’Hara said five of the children were released from the Hennepin County Juvenile Detention Center and the sixth, a 14-year-old girl, was hospitalized in stable condition. No other people were injured, but O’Hara said four uninvolved vehicles were struck during the crashes of the stolen Kias.
O’Hara said it’s standard procedure to release auto theft suspects of this age. He said juvenile courts do not have many options to help children this young suspected of auto theft and other crimes.

This was in Minneapolis. While Kamala Harris won Minnesota relatively comfortably (50.9-46.7%), her margin was lower than Biden's (52.4-45.3%) four years earlier, and that despite her having Minnesota governor Tim "Knucklehead" Walz as running mate.

 

[SLD]

BLM “riots” were 2020, not 2016.

 

[Derec]

BLM “riots” were 2020, not 2016.

Of course they were. But 2014-2016 had their own destructive #BLM riots. Ferguson, Baltimore, Minnepolis, Charlotte and more.
Btw, why did you put "riots" in scare quotes?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

What's new about this? I was the victim of a bunch of bullies back in school. The school didn't have the power to do anything and they knew that the police would just promptly release them to their parents. That was nearly 50 years ago.

This is not bullying (and for the record, I think schools should have more power to do something) but serial grand theft auto. These kids get arrested over and over again, but because of the laws in these jurisdictions, they get released to their parents with no consequences.

I'm not questioning the release to parents, I'm questioning the claim that it's something new.

Really? A car thief with a pending "sex offenses" charge can "safely be released to the community"? Also, a 16 year old is a minor, but he is not a child. There is a difference.

I agree there's a problem. I'm just saying it's not new.

Note that this is Ohio. A state where Democrats are no longer competitive statewide. Even the long-time Senate incumbent Sherrod Brown lost 46.5-50.1%. He still outperformed Harris-Walz, since she lost bigly (43.9-55.1).
Hamilton County, from the above article, went for Harris 56.7-41.9%. Of course, Hamilton County contains Cincinnati which helps explain it. But Democrats cannot afford to only play in cities.

Children 11 to 14, arrested, released after robberies, crash of stolen Kias

[Police Chief Brian] O’Hara said five of the children were released from the Hennepin County Juvenile Detention Center and the sixth, a 14-year-old girl, was hospitalized in stable condition. No other people were injured, but O’Hara said four uninvolved vehicles were struck during the crashes of the stolen Kias.
O’Hara said it’s standard procedure to release auto theft suspects of this age. He said juvenile courts do not have many options to help children this young suspected of auto theft and other crimes.

This was in Minneapolis. While Kamala Harris won Minnesota relatively comfortably (50.9-46.7%), her margin was lower than Biden's (52.4-45.3%) four years earlier, and that despite her having Minnesota governor Tim "Knucklehead" Walz as running mate.

You're making this a red vs blue, both sides are guilty.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Secession = reactionary even if you think you are right.

And that ignores the minor problem of it isn't particularly feasible. What is the plan, the Non-Contiguous Blue States of America?

You are allowed to post whatever reactionary, but non-violence stuff you want here. The others are free to tell you it isn't constructive, viable, or intelligent.

We have to stay and fight. This is not the end of America or its Democratic dream. Our country has faced threats before. It has proven resilient. I post two maps to demonstrate this:

But he didn't try to destroy democracy.

And Trump won’t either if we fight.

I'm not trying to be sarcastic or snarky, but I really want to know what you think this "fight" is going to look like?

Protests? Like Trump gives the slightest shit about people protesting him or his policies. Hell, his answer would be either toss as many as possible into jail, or outright shoot them. Remember, a POTUS can't be held responsible for any "official act."

So maybe put on some pussy hats and march to... somewhere? Yeah, that really showed 'em last time.

Voting? Obviously that didn't work. The Dems pushed away huge voting demographics, and once again, the loudest goddamn voice on the internet--young people, didn't show up to vote--again. Oh, and that assumes we'll get to vote in legitimate elections.

Complain to our Senators and congress folks? That doesn't work in the best of times, it's not going to work now (assuming we still have Senators and Congresspeople).

There is one thing thugs understand. That's it. However, it's younger people who are going to have to take that into their own hands, but they won't. They let Roe go down without a peep and they seem apathetic towards the inevitable prospect of reversing same sex marriage. As long as they have the internet and their phones, they're going to do exactly jack shit.

 

[ideologyhunter]

^^^^^^^^So true. In a healthy America, you'd have the courts as a fallback, but the most powerful court is fully behind our soon-to-be emperor. You'd have a vigorous free press -- and how's that looking, these days? You'd have, perhaps, an electorate that could, in the aggregate, see through a phony and a liar and show some good old-fashioned skepticism. All three of these are factors that brought Nixon to his knees a mere fifty years ago.
Trump has got his dessert cart (America) wheeled around to his table, and he's going to dig in. He's got to be laughing at the fat, satisfied, gaslit multitudes that are yelling for him to have seconds.

 

[SLD]

Secession = reactionary even if you think you are right.

And that ignores the minor problem of it isn't particularly feasible. What is the plan, the Non-Contiguous Blue States of America?

You are allowed to post whatever reactionary, but non-violence stuff you want here. The others are free to tell you it isn't constructive, viable, or intelligent.

We have to stay and fight. This is not the end of America or its Democratic dream. Our country has faced threats before. It has proven resilient. I post two maps to demonstrate this:

But he didn't try to destroy democracy.

And Trump won’t either if we fight.

I'm not trying to be sarcastic or snarky, but I really want to know what you think this "fight" is going to look like?

Protests? Like Trump gives the slightest shit about people protesting him or his policies. Hell, his answer would be either toss as many as possible into jail, or outright shoot them. Remember, a POTUS can't be held responsible for any "official act."

So maybe put on some pussy hats and march to... somewhere? Yeah, that really showed 'em last time.

Voting? Obviously that didn't work. The Dems pushed away huge voting demographics, and once again, the loudest goddamn voice on the internet--young people, didn't show up to vote--again. Oh, and that assumes we'll get to vote in legitimate elections.

Complain to our Senators and congress folks? That doesn't work in the best of times, it's not going to work now (assuming we still have Senators and Congresspeople).

There is one thing thugs understand. That's it. However, it's younger people who are going to have to take that into their own hands, but they won't. They let Roe go down without a peep and they seem apathetic towards the inevitable prospect of reversing same sex marriage. As long as they have the internet and their phones, they're going to do exactly jack shit.

Well, I’d prefer non violent struggle, but I’m no pacifist. If he really went hog wild, I’d be willing to take up arms again. I’ve done it before. It would need to be an organized movement though.

But he can’t really put as many in jail as he’d like. If enough protest and demand change he will be forced to back down. Congress and the courts would get nervous.

What also if we marched in Wall Street and shut it down? It would scare them. Even if it were only temporary. True riots would be hard to really suppress. Also he can’t trust the bureaucrats and the military to really do what he wants. They may not obey illegal orders. They flat out ought to refuse, but I suspect that they will give him leeway on some things.

The thing about Hitler is that in the face of opposition to his policies he often did back down. The T-4 program is a good example. People were not supportive of it. Pastors spoke out against it, and instead of arresting people, Hitler put a stop to it. Of course he killed off quite a few before that. But regardless even dictators can’t afford to overlook popular opinion. The bottom line is that we must protest, even riot if we must, shut down our transportation infrastructure if necessary. Put a dent in his economy. The only way to defeat him is to see him fail. If the economy stutters and falls, his support will evaporate in both the public and Congress.

But if they try and maintain power illegally, then yes, flat out revolt.

 

[Patooka]

Secession = reactionary even if you think you are right.

And that ignores the minor problem of it isn't particularly feasible. What is the plan, the Non-Contiguous Blue States of America?

You are allowed to post whatever reactionary, but non-violence stuff you want here. The others are free to tell you it isn't constructive, viable, or intelligent.

We have to stay and fight. This is not the end of America or its Democratic dream. Our country has faced threats before. It has proven resilient. I post two maps to demonstrate this:

But he didn't try to destroy democracy.

And Trump won’t either if we fight.

I'm not trying to be sarcastic or snarky, but I really want to know what you think this "fight" is going to look like?

Protests? Like Trump gives the slightest shit about people protesting him or his policies. Hell, his answer would be either toss as many as possible into jail, or outright shoot them. Remember, a POTUS can't be held responsible for any "official act."

So maybe put on some pussy hats and march to... somewhere? Yeah, that really showed 'em last time.

Voting? Obviously that didn't work. The Dems pushed away huge voting demographics, and once again, the loudest goddamn voice on the internet--young people, didn't show up to vote--again. Oh, and that assumes we'll get to vote in legitimate elections.

Complain to our Senators and congress folks? That doesn't work in the best of times, it's not going to work now (assuming we still have Senators and Congresspeople).

There is one thing thugs understand. That's it. However, it's younger people who are going to have to take that into their own hands, but they won't. They let Roe go down without a peep and they seem apathetic towards the inevitable prospect of reversing same sex marriage. As long as they have the internet and their phones, they're going to do exactly jack shit.

I suspect the French nobility thought they had nothing to worry about right up until the guillotines started rolling out too. The left wing terrorists MAGAtards fantasize about could become a self fulfilling prophecy.

 

[RVonse]

Hitler and Trump - a comparison

The comparison is silly and stupid. Was Hitler a self made billionaire? Did Hitler build a successful family before politics, including children even Hillary Clinton now admires? Did Hitler suffer law fare and assignations attempts before his election? Did Hitler suffer through numerous impeachments and needless investigations put on by the secret service?

The only similarity I see is that both Hitler and Trump were both convicted felons of the state. But then so were Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela. So being a felon puts you in some good company when the state is operating in a criminal manner in the first place. And our government is definitely a criminal enterprise.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Anyone who thinks Trump is a "self-made" billionaire doesn't know much about him.
Also, when did the Secret Service investigate Trump? He's been investigated by several states, by Congress, and by the FBI, but SCOTUS has helped him out of ever facing accountability for his criminality. Maybe New York will be the exception.

 

[robnisch]

Anyone who thinks Trump is a "self-made" billionaire doesn't know much about him.
Also, when did the Secret Service investigate Trump? He's been investigated by several states, by Congress, and by the FBI, but SCOTUS has helped him out of ever facing accountability for his criminality. Maybe New York will be the exception.

Did anyone see his last rambling disjointed presser? Whales and windmills, dripping water things, Gulf of America!
My god RV what are talking about?
He is not fit to run a hotdog stand.

 

[ideologyhunter]

And "assignation attempts" are what about 20 women have accused him of.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Anyone who thinks Trump is a "self-made" billionaire doesn't know much about him.
Also, when did the Secret Service investigate Trump? He's been investigated by several states, by Congress, and by the FBI, but SCOTUS has helped him out of ever facing accountability for his criminality. Maybe New York will be the exception.

Did anyone see his last rambling disjointed presser? Whales and windmills, dripping water things, Gulf of America!
My god RV what are talking about?
He is not fit to run a hotdog stand.

You know it's bad when they start seriously suggesting things that were previously just satire:

Holland: 'Gulf of America' bill a joke; some don't get it

JACKSON — All the people outraged about the Mississippi bill to rename the Gulf of Mexico as the “Gulf of America” have missed its satirical intent, the sponsor said yesterday.

www.djournal.com

which also states it comes from the genius mind of Colbert:

Comedian and satirist Stephen Colbert joked on his show in 2010, during the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, that the body of water should be renamed as the Gulf of America.
“I don’t think we can call it the Gulf of Mexico anymore,” Colbert said in announcing a charitable fund to help people affected by the spill. “We broke it, we bought it.”

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

Hitler and Trump - a comparison

The comparison is silly and stupid. Was Hitler a self made billionaire? Did Hitler build a successful family before politics, including children even Hillary Clinton now admires? Did Hitler suffer law fare and assignations attempts before his election? Did Hitler suffer through numerous impeachments and needless investigations put on by the secret service?

The only similarity I see is that both Hitler and Trump were both convicted felons of the state. But then so were Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela. So being a felon puts you in some good company when the state is operating in a criminal manner in the first place. And our government is definitely a criminal enterprise.

Hitler is actually closer to being a self-made billionaire than Trump ever was, as Hitler didn't inherit massive wealth, and as he basically owned a nation (Germany, not Greenland) could be considered very rich for several years. No one admires Trump's children (other than MAGA), not even Trump (although he does have an "affection" for his daughter Ivanka).
You do realize that the US government couldn't impeach Hitler, and that the Secret Service couldn't investigate him, as they only operate in USA (and then there is also the matter that the current SS is temporally separated from Hitler by eighty years).
Also, the Secret Service never investigated Trump, quite the opposite - many of them over-loyal to him in contradiction to their duty.
If you want to compare Trump to other people it is more accurate to compare him with Pol Pot and Pinochet.
Incidentally, those others such as Hitler and Mandela actually served prison time, not simply convictions, in the latter's case 27 years.
I agree that your government (the Republican Party) is a criminal enterprise.

 

[SLD]

Hitler and Trump - a comparison

The comparison is silly and stupid. Was Hitler a self made billionaire? Did Hitler build a successful family before politics, including children even Hillary Clinton now admires? Did Hitler suffer law fare and assignations attempts before his election? Did Hitler suffer through numerous impeachments and needless investigations put on by the secret service?

The only similarity I see is that both Hitler and Trump were both convicted felons of the state. But then so were Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela. So being a felon puts you in some good company when the state is operating in a criminal manner in the first place. And our government is definitely a criminal enterprise.

Sheesh! that’s the stupidest thing I’ve seen all day. Are you really that clueless?

 

[Ford]

Hitler and Trump - a comparison

The comparison is silly and stupid. Was Hitler a self made billionaire? Did Hitler build a successful family before politics, including children even Hillary Clinton now admires? Did Hitler suffer law fare and assignations attempts before his election? Did Hitler suffer through numerous impeachments and needless investigations put on by the secret service?

The only similarity I see is that both Hitler and Trump were both convicted felons of the state. But then so were Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela. So being a felon puts you in some good company when the state is operating in a criminal manner in the first place. And our government is definitely a criminal enterprise.

Sheesh! that’s the stupidest thing I’ve seen all day. Are you really that clueless?

I'm just waiting for a post from RVonse offering a full throated defense of Hitler. This is pretty close.

 

[Patooka]

Hitler and Trump - a comparison

The comparison is silly and stupid. Was Hitler a self made billionaire? Did Hitler build a successful family before politics, including children even Hillary Clinton now admires? Did Hitler suffer law fare and assignations attempts before his election? Did Hitler suffer through numerous impeachments and needless investigations put on by the secret service?

The only similarity I see is that both Hitler and Trump were both convicted felons of the state. But then so were Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela. So being a felon puts you in some good company when the state is operating in a criminal manner in the first place. And our government is definitely a criminal enterprise.

I think the biggest similarity between Trump and Hitler is how ignorant and laughably uninformed their supporters are.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

BLM “riots” were 2020, not 2016.

Not to mention the spike in crime occurred during Trump's presidency.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Hitler and Trump - a comparison

The comparison is silly and stupid. Was Hitler a self made billionaire?

Neither was Trump.

Did Hitler build a successful family before politics, including children even Hillary Clinton now admires?

Neither did Trump.

Did Hitler suffer law fare and assignations attempts before his election?

Neither did Trump

Did Hitler suffer through numerous impeachments and needless investigations put on by the secret service?

Hitler was not impeached.

The only similarity I see is that both Hitler and Trump were both convicted felons of the state.

Funny, your post seems to imply Trump and Hitler have more in common than I realized. Personally, I think and have noted a lot, that I feel Trump is a lot more like Mussolini than Hitler. Fat, bombastic dumbass, who is in way over his head, and fawned over despots, putting his nation at great risk and loss for no gain.

But then so were Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela. So being a felon puts you in some good company when the state is operating in a criminal manner in the first place. And our government is definitely a criminal enterprise.

Your admiration for a guy that thinks you are nothing is hard to resolve.

 

[SLD]

Hitler and Trump - a comparison

The comparison is silly and stupid. Was Hitler a self made billionaire?

Neither was Trump.

Did Hitler build a successful family before politics, including children even Hillary Clinton now admires?

Neither did Trump.

Did Hitler suffer law fare and assignations attempts before his election?

Neither did Trump

Did Hitler suffer through numerous impeachments and needless investigations put on by the secret service?

Hitler was not impeached.

The only similarity I see is that both Hitler and Trump were both convicted felons of the state.

Funny, your post seems to imply Trump and Hitler have more in common than I realized. Personally, I think and have noted a lot, that I feel Trump is a lot more like Mussolini than Hitler. Fat, bombastic dumbass, who is in way over his head, and fawned over despots, putting his nation at great risk and loss for no gain.

But then so were Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela. So being a felon puts you in some good company when the state is operating in a criminal manner in the first place. And our government is definitely a criminal enterprise.

Your admiration for a guy that thinks you are nothing is hard to resolve.

Excellent riposte. I do tend to agree that Trump resembles Mussolini more so than Hitler.

My OP was not to simplistically state that Trump and Hitler were a lot a like. My post was to compare and contrast the two. There are indeed vast differences between them. Trump came from a rich background. Hitler came from a poor one. He lost his father when he was young. He lived meagerly until he became the Fuhrer of the party and began to actually make money. Hitler was more of a self made man than Trump. And of course he wasn't impeached. Hitler was a better politician - i.e. in the sense of being able to take power and hold on to it - than Trump who lost an election and failed in his attempt to overthrow the government.

I would also point out one other minor point. MLK was never a convicted felon. He had some misdemeanors for disturbing the peace and refusing to obey an injunction. He was once charged with tax evasion but beat the charge. Trump and Hitler both had felony convictions, but Hitler had one for attempting to overthrow the state. Trump should have had one for the same, but this election stopped it.

Hitler and Trump had different sex lives. Hitler did have sex and at least two mistresses, but at least kept those hidden from the public view, preferring to have an image that he was married to the Fatherland. Trump is a notorious philanderer who makes Clinton look like a choir boy.

Of course Trump's career is not over yet. The real reason for the OP is just that - will he become more like Hitler in his second term or more like Mussolini? How will it play out? I'm bad at predictions but will make some shortly.