Trump and Outrage Fatigue

[untermensche]

To some capitalists a despot is somebody who stops you from raping the poor.

I love nothing more than when an alleged socialist tries to use the evil capitalist logo against a user with the name Jimmy Higgins. It betrays quite a bit of ignorance.

I respond to ideas not avatars.

This is confusing to some.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

To some capitalists a despot is somebody who stops you from raping the poor.

I love nothing more than when an alleged socialist tries to use the evil capitalist logo against a user with the name Jimmy Higgins. It betrays quite a bit of ignorance.

I respond to ideas not avatars.

This is confusing to some.

That is GOP level obfuscation.

 

[untermensche]

I respond to ideas not avatars.

This is confusing to some.

That is GOP level obfuscation.

It is the facts.

What exactly do you want?

Chavez is called a despot because he tried to deal with the inequities of an immoral system.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

From a president whose administration held nobody accountable? Really?

I'm sorry, how many investigations were mounted that turned up actionable behavior?

Does the mantra "we're looking forward, not backward" ring any bells?

What does that have to do with urging young folks to vote?

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Hitler was never elected to be supreme leader of Germany.

He held an elected office early then became a despotic dictator later.

Hitler never held any elected governmental office. He was appointed Chancellor, and his assumption of the Presidency upon Hindenburg's death was also an appointment later submitted for plebiscite, which he won, unsurprisingly given that the terror state had already begun to take shape.

 

[untermensche]

Hitler was never elected to be supreme leader of Germany.

He held an elected office early then became a despotic dictator later.

Hitler never held any elected governmental office. He was appointed Chancellor, and his assumption of the Presidency upon Hindenburg's death was also an appointment later submitted for plebiscite, which he won, unsurprisingly given that the terror state had already begun to take shape.

How is winning a plebiscite not holding elected office?

Hitler is a warning for those who want to move away from democracy.

He is not an example of a problem with democracy.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Chavez was democratically elected.

Again and again.

He was no despot.

That is stupidity.

So was Hitler. Wasn’t Mugabe elected as well? It isn’t unusual to see despot be elected.

Hitler was never elected to be supreme leader of Germany.

He held an elected office early then became a despotic dictator later.

Chavez was never a despotic leader.

He was an elected leader, elected over and over, that worked within a Constitution.

I notice you didn't address Mugabe.

And you provided no evidence that Chavez wasn't a dictator. Yeah, there were elections--but they were meaningless. An opponent with a realistic chance? Charge them with a crime, but do no investigation. Someone with pending charges couldn't run for office.

 

[untermensche]

Can't prove a negative.

Up to the clowns that call an elected official a dictator to prove it.

You are pulling nonsense from your ass.

You don't have the slightest clue what happened in any Venezuelan election.

You are a mindless parrot repeating things you do not understand.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Can't prove a negative.

Prove it.

 

[untermensche]

Can't prove a negative.

Prove it.

Believe it or not.

I don't give a shit.

To stop me from saying it all you have to do is prove I am not a god.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Hitler was never elected to be supreme leader of Germany.

He held an elected office early then became a despotic dictator later.

Hitler never held any elected governmental office. He was appointed Chancellor, and his assumption of the Presidency upon Hindenburg's death was also an appointment later submitted for plebiscite, which he won, unsurprisingly given that the terror state had already begun to take shape.

How is winning a plebiscite not holding elected office?

Because the plebiscite only happened after he assumed office, and fully a year-and-a-half after the Enabling Act gave him the power to control communications and jail dissidents. He'd already eliminated the strongest opposition in June of 1934, as well (though that opposition was no more democratic than he was himself). I'd hardly call that a free and fair referendum.

That's not winning an election, that's rigging a plebiscite held after his appointment -- not election.

Hitler is a warning for those who want to move away from democracy.

He is not an example of a problem with democracy.

I disagree. The democracy of the Weimar Republic had some flaws both constitutionally and politically in terms of fragmentation of the electorate, which both helped Hitler's accession to power in Jan 1933 by appointment.

Democracy, like any other form of government, has inherent weaknesses as well as strengths. I think we're seeing in modern-day America more examples of the weaknesses of democracy that can arise if we don't take action to buttress the freedoms of a nation.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Can't prove a negative.

Up to the clowns that call an elected official a dictator to prove it.

You are pulling nonsense from your ass.

You don't have the slightest clue what happened in any Venezuelan election.

You are a mindless parrot repeating things you do not understand.

Hmm, usually when I see personal attacks like this I regard the poster as throwing in the towel.

Let's have a discussion without the vitriol, no? I think everyone here could get something to think about, myself included. But these sorts of posts tend to shut conversation down, don't you agree?

 

[untermensche]

Can't prove a negative.

Up to the clowns that call an elected official a dictator to prove it.

You are pulling nonsense from your ass.

You don't have the slightest clue what happened in any Venezuelan election.

You are a mindless parrot repeating things you do not understand.

Hmm, usually when I see personal attacks like this I regard the poster as throwing in the towel.

Let's have a discussion without the vitriol, no? I think everyone here could get something to think about, myself included. But these sorts of posts tend to shut conversation down, don't you agree?

I've dealt with that poster for years. When did you show up to teach me something?

It is one unsubstantiated lie after another. You will search his posts for one link that substantiates his claims in vain.

What you are seeing is just quickly getting to the bottom line.

He asked me to prove Chavez was not a dictator.

He asked me to prove the elected leader, elected several times, was not a dictator.

Is that a rational request?

Or a pathetic dodge?

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Can't prove a negative.

Up to the clowns that call an elected official a dictator to prove it.

You are pulling nonsense from your ass.

You don't have the slightest clue what happened in any Venezuelan election.

You are a mindless parrot repeating things you do not understand.

Hmm, usually when I see personal attacks like this I regard the poster as throwing in the towel.

Let's have a discussion without the vitriol, no? I think everyone here could get something to think about, myself included. But these sorts of posts tend to shut conversation down, don't you agree?

I've dealt with that poster for years. When did you show up to teach me something?

It is one unsubstantiated lie after another. You will search his posts for one link that substantiates his claims in vain.

What you are seeing is just quickly getting to the bottom line.

He asked me to prove Chavez was not a dictator.

He asked me to prove the elected leader, elected several times, was not a dictator.

Is that a rational request?

Or a pathetic dodge?

<shrug> I read what I read. You make the impression you make. If you're fine with it, so be it.

As far as your appeal to elections justifying Chavez's commitment to democracy, I'm skeptical. You seem to think sham elections have never happened. They have been and will continue to be used as window-dressing to justify tin-pots to the masses. I'm not saying that's the case in Venezuela -- I don't know enough about that particular case, though there are certainly questions about the legitimacy of the elections he's won -- but I know for a fact that many non-democratic countries have staged "elections" in order to justify one-man or one-party rule.

A post filled with invective and little else doesn't dispel my skepticism. If you're okay with that, cool.

 

[untermensche]

How is winning a plebiscite not holding elected office?

Because the plebiscite only happened after he assumed office, and fully a year-and-a-half after the Enabling Act gave him the power to control communications and jail dissidents. He'd already eliminated the strongest opposition in June of 1934, as well (though that opposition was no more democratic than he was himself). I'd hardly call that a free and fair referendum.

Again. How is it not holding elective office?

What you are saying is it was an elective office with a shady election.

That's not winning an election, that's rigging a plebiscite held after his appointment -- not election.

An election is when people vote.

Hitler is a warning for those who want to move away from democracy.

He is not an example of a problem with democracy.

I disagree. The democracy of the Weimar Republic had some flaws both constitutionally and politically in terms of fragmentation of the electorate, which both helped Hitler's accession to power in Jan 1933 by appointment.

Democracy, like any other form of government, has inherent weaknesses as well as strengths. I think we're seeing in modern-day America more examples of the weaknesses of democracy that can arise if we don't take action to buttress the freedoms of a nation.

What you are saying is the democracy was not safe guarded very well.

That is not a problem inherent to democracy.

It was a problem with one democracy.

What we are seeing in modern America is an oligarchy with a few democratic trappings.

Again, not a problem inherent to democracy.

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I've dealt with that poster for years. When did you show up to teach me something?

It is one unsubstantiated lie after another. You will search his posts for one link that substantiates his claims in vain.

What you are seeing is just quickly getting to the bottom line.

He asked me to prove Chavez was not a dictator.

He asked me to prove the elected leader, elected several times, was not a dictator.

Is that a rational request?

Or a pathetic dodge?

<shrug> I read what I read. You make the impression you make. If you're fine with it, so be it.

By the way, no one's here to teach you anything, least of all me. I don't know you from a can of paint and what you learn is not my concern. I speak my own mind. Don't worry, you'll live.

Yet you think you can give me lessons in behavior.

You are ignorant butting into something you don't understand.