Trump is above the law

[Loren Pechtel]

Think about it--what happens if he goes to trial? How do you keep one QOP nut from hanging the jury?

 

[Politesse]

The weird thing is that a third of the country seems to think that a president who is utterly above the law, even those laws which directly govern against election fraud, is somehow what our anti-monarchist national founders actually wanted.

I'm starting to believe the old internet meme has it right, that "Woke" is an abbreviation of the longer phrase "stayed awake in history class"...

 

[Bomb#20]

We used to get Muslim posters here from time to time who posted screeds explaining how stupid Christianity is. They seemed to think it was a good way to get atheists to convert.

 

[Jarhyn]

We used to get Muslim posters here from time to time who posted screeds explaining how stupid Christianity is. They seemed to think it was a good way to get atheists to convert.

Sayed?

 

[RVonse]

Think about it--what happens if he goes to trial? How do you keep one QOP nut from hanging the jury?

A post POTUS will not ever be sent to trial or convicted. Does not even matter which party he is from or whether or not he was or is actually guilty of anything.

So it is a moot question to begin with.

And if you do not believe what I have just said consider this. Trump absolutely hated Obama and could have made his post presidency very very uncomfortable: https://www.cato.org/commentary/top-10-ways-obama-violated-constitution-during-presidency

Yet Trump, who was arguably the most independent thinking POTUS (in my lifetime) decided not to do so. That is the tell if ever you needed more to go on.

 

[RVonse]

The weird thing is that a third of the country seems to think that a president who is utterly above the law, even those laws which directly govern against election fraud, is somehow what our anti-monarchist national founders actually wanted.

Even back in the 1970's Nixon said this himself. And Nixon was right even though he eventually found it more convenient to resign.

Sadly one third of the country is right.

And even more sadly is this. You do not even have to be a POTUS to be above the law. Speaker of the House is good enough to trade stocks and do the same things that will get you jail time if you are a CEO.

 

[Elixir]

Yet Trump, who was arguably the most independent thinking POTUS (in my lifetime) decided not to do so.

Lol! Your "independent thinker" did exactly what was dictated by Obama's popularity, which outstripped his by a mile.

 

[Elixir]

Speaker of the House is good enough to trade stocks and do the same things that will get you jail time if you are a CEO.

...and that's in the same league as instigating a violent coup, trying to overthrow democracy to stay in power?
Trump shouldn't be in jail, he should be executed like the traitor dog he is.

 

[RVonse]

Speaker of the House is good enough to trade stocks and do the same things that will get you jail time if you are a CEO.

...and that's in the same league as instigating a violent coup, trying to overthrow democracy to stay in power?
Trump shouldn't be in jail, he should be executed like the traitor dog he is.

But where do you draw the line? A little bit of corruption is ok but a lot is really bad?

How about our politicians follow the same laws the rest of have to? Regardless whether they are the POTUS or not?

 

[Elixir]

But where do you draw the line? A little bit of corruption is ok but a lot is really bad?

No crimes are okay, but we can afford to forgive a Senator who jaywalks - or even one who accepts bribes - without threatening the fact that since its inception, the USA has striven to be, and has built it's strength on being a democratic representative republic. You don't go around destroying millions of lives in order to install yourself as dictator in any Country that isn't a banana republic shithole. Even in a banana republic, that will get you exiled or executed if your coup fails.
Trade some stocks illegally, Maybe you get caught, maybe you don't but it doesn't impact the global standing of an entire Country and its hundreds of millions of citizens.
Fuck, dude, where do you get such ridiculous equivocations?
Your boy LOST. In a landslide. Get over it.
Then he tried to subvert democracy to stay in power.
FACE UP TO IT.

 

[Politesse]

Even back in the 1970's Nixon said this himself. And Nixon was right even though he eventually found it more convenient to resign.

I feel we would struggle to reach common ground on the subject of Richard Milhous Nixon...

 

[RVonse]

You don't go around destroying millions of lives in order to install yourself as dictator in any Country that isn't a banana republic shithole. Even in a banana republic, that will get you exiled or executed.

It is also the banana republics who routinely attempt to mob politicians with the legal system so they can not be allowed to run.

Unfortunately ,if it is really a democracy, it is up to the people to decide who they want. And yes, that will mean the criminals can still get themselves in but at least it is what the people wanted.

 

[RVonse]

But where do you draw the line? A little bit of corruption is ok but a lot is really bad?

No crimes are okay, but we can afford to forgive a Senator who jaywalks - or even one who accepts bribes - without threatening the fact that since its inception, the USA has striven to be, and has built it's strength on being a democratic representative republic. You don't go around destroying millions of lives in order to install yourself as dictator in any Country that isn't a banana republic shithole. Even in a banana republic, that will get you exiled or executed if your coup fails.
Trade some stocks illegally, Maybe you get caught, maybe you don't but it doesn't impact the global standing of an entire Country and its hundreds of millions of citizens.
Fuck, dude, where do you get such ridiculous equivocations?
Your boy LOST. In a landslide. Get over it.
Then he tried to subvert democracy to stay in power.
FACE UP TO IT.

How about "rule of law" that stays the same for everyone regardless of position or party affiliation?

 

[Patooka]

But where do you draw the line?

Ask yourself that. It's clear who you are and what you are about. You have clearly drawn a line. It is equally obvious Donald Trump has not crossed it, from your perspective of course.

So where do you draw the line? Calculate everything Trump has done and what he has been accused of. Would you be so generous if someone else, say Hillary, did the same actions?

Didn't think so.

 

[Swammerdami]

Speaker of the House is good enough to trade stocks and do the same things that will get you jail time if you are a CEO.

White-collar crimes are notoriously difficult to prove, especially "insider information" allegations. It might be best to just disallow active trading by Congresscritters and, IIRC, Pelosi herself has reluctantly endorsed (or pretended to endorse) this idea.

BUT, is there real evidence that she actually broke the law? Cite?

 

[Jarhyn]

Well, Rupert Murdoch just flipped on trump apparently, so the cult may actually do a reversal.

 

[Elixir]

It is also the banana republics who routinely attempt to mob politicians with the legal system so they can not be allowed to run.

You're confused. Banana Republics' leaders do what Trump did when they lose - they try to seize power with violence. When they fail, they are not "mobbed with the legal system", they are generally shot or hung, then dragged through the streets.
We used to be a little better than that, but this is the first time we've had to deal with a traitor president trying to seize power through violence. Hopefully due process will bring about a due outcome; Donald Trump's life imprisonment or execution.

 

[RVonse]

But where do you draw the line?

Ask yourself that. It's clear who you are and what you are about. You have clearly drawn a line. It is equally obvious Donald Trump has not crossed it, from your perspective of course.

So where do you draw the line? Calculate everything Trump has done and what he has been accused of. Would you be so generous if someone else, say Hillary, did the same actions?

Didn't think so.

That is the beauty of following "rule of law". The rule of law is not dependent at all on what I or others think. It is simply applied equally to everyone regardless of position, power, or political party. It is only up to the courts to apply it without prejudice. And everyone including Nancy Pelosi would follow the same laws that everyone else did.

If we actually had rule of law applied equally without prejudice, Jan 6 could actually be a court trial and without the political appearance it now has. And it would not matter in the least what anyone thought about Donald Trump.

 

[Jarhyn]

It is simply applied equally to everyone regardless of position, power, or political party.

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Bullshit.

 

[Elixir]

But where do you draw the line?

Ask yourself that. It's clear who you are and what you are about. You have clearly drawn a line. It is equally obvious Donald Trump has not crossed it, from your perspective of course.

So where do you draw the line? Calculate everything Trump has done and what he has been accused of. Would you be so generous if someone else, say Hillary, did the same actions?

Didn't think so.

That is the beauty of following "rule of law". The rule of law is not dependent at all on what I or others think. It is simply applied equally to everyone regardless of position, power, or political party. It is only up to the courts to apply it without prejudice. And everyone including Nancy Pelosi would follow the same laws that everyone else did.

If we actually had rule of law applied equally without prejudice, Jan 6 could actually be a court trial and without the political appearance it now has. And it would not matter in the least what anyone thought about Donald Trump.

You have a hard on for Nancy, it’s plain to see. Feel the same way about other right wing white collar criminals? No? Why no mention of Bernie Madoff?
Quelle surprise.

All your weird and irrelevant perversions aside regarding insider trading and jaywalking, the “rule of law” would impose the death sentence on most traitors who try to violently overthrow the government and the rule of law it supposedly upholds. Trump should be no different.