Trump sending troops to thwart this. What kind of F***head is he?

[fromderinside]

The mid session guest on Real Time noted that the bottom up view of what is driving the immigration seekers north is gangs and violence, Most of the current travelers are women and children.

Here is a story from the Atlantic from June that reflects the nature of the present migration north from central America.

Today’s Migrant Flow Is Different https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/06/central-america-border-immigration/563744/

Historically, Central Americans have tended to migrate for economic reasons. Since the end of the internal armed conflicts in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Nicaragua—which together displaced almost 2 million people in the 1970s and 1980s—thousands of Central Americans travelled to the U.S. to escape economic misery in their war-torn states. During the late 1990s and early 2000s, the U.S. saw record numbers of apprehensions of migrants along its border with Mexico.
Today’s migrant flow is very different. Yes, there are still male heads of household seeking to pursue the “American Dream” in the U.S. so as to send home a couple of hundred dollars each month to their families. But the crux of the recent crisis at the border is that there are fewer male migrants in their 20s or 30s making the crossing, and many more families, newborns, children, and pregnant women escaping life-or-death situations as much as poverty.

If you need a more recent one how about this.

From BBC October 24
Migrant caravan: What is it and why does it matter? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45951782

​Some migrants have already reached the Mexican city of Tapachula, while others are still at the Guatemala-Mexico border.Separately, a newly formed group of 1,000 mainly Honduran migrants has set off for the US. But more than 3,000 Hondurans have turned back.

The journey is gruelling and poses a number of challenges for those who decide to join the caravan.The hot weather means sunburn and dehydration are a constant risk, and some of the migrants have attempted to protect themselves with umbrellas and pieces of cardboard.

A number of people have fainted during the journey after walking for six consecutive days. The migrants have been sleeping on the streets or in makeshift camps and there is a lack of clean water and sanitation.Food is also in short supply, and local people have reportedly been providing the convoy with some food as it passes through.

At the border between Guatemala and Mexico, where migrants faced long waits as border officials checked their documents, there were clashes with police as tempers flared. Some migrants threw stones and the police fired tear gas, leaving several people injured

Caption contest posted this recent picture of the 'migration'.



It shows the actual proportions of those vicious arab and criminal elements The Orange One makes up.

My view is the video press is making news rather than reporting it. Face it a picture IS worth many words.

How do we get out the real story through the blind "big headline" press?

I'm telling my neighbors, but, that's small change. Got any big ideas?

Focus, people, focus.*

*_{so I'm preaching to the choir, So? Someone has to preach somewhere.}

 

[Derec]

These caravaners are economic migrants. If they were legitimate asylum seekers, they would accept Mexico's offer to stay.
Migrant caravan members reject offer to stay in Mexico

But after one of the caravan's longest days of walking and hanging from passing trucks, the bulk of the migrants were boisterous Friday evening in their refusal to accept anything less than safe passage to the U.S. border."Thank you!" they yelled as they voted to reject the offer in a show of hands in the town of Arriaga. They then added: "No, we're heading north!"
Sitting at the edge of the edge of the town square, 58-year-old Oscar Sosa of San Pedro Sula, Honduras concurred.
"Our goal is not to remain in Mexico," Sosa said. "Our goal is to make it to the (U.S). We want passage, that's all."

How can anybody, with a straight face, say that these are anything but economic migrants? Even if they intend to defraud the asylum system in order to get into US.

On Friday evening, Irineo Mujica, whose organization People without Borders is supporting the caravan, accused Mexican immigration agents of harassing migrants in an effort to stop the group's advance. He urged them to travel closely together."They are terrorizing us," he said.

How entitled can somebody be? There is no right to enter a country illegally.

And "People without borders"? They are not even hiding their "open borders" ideology.

It's like with the Islamic fakefugees invading Europe. They can be safe in other Islamic countries like Turkey, but they demand to go to Germany or Sweden because they can get more money there. In Europe too there is big money being donated in the name of "open borders" ideology.

 

[Derec]

Focus, people, focus.*

*_{so I'm preaching to the choir, So? Someone has to preach somewhere.}

I know there are a lot of open border advocates on here, but not everybody is. This illegal migration must be stopped, and illegals already here must be deported. We also need a federal law banning sanctuary cities. Because even when asylum claims are rejected, these people can always go hide in one of sanctuary cities where local governments aid and abet them.

 

[fromderinside]

Easiest way to fix problem is to fix laws that provide leeway for the nearby neighbors to supply much needed labor at legal wages with timed reward of path to citizenship.

Other whan white should not be an issue since most of our trading neighbors happen to be such. If ya takes their money and buys their products you certainly shouldn't consider them inferior or even different.

 

[Derec]

Easiest way to fix problem is to fix laws that provide leeway for the nearby neighbors to supply much needed labor at legal wages with timed reward of path to citizenship.

So your solution to illegal immigration is to just open the floodgates, take unlimited number of migrants, and make them citizens?
That's not a solution. That's capitulation.

And you didn't answer about them refusing to stay in Mexico? Why aren't they staying in Mexico?

 

[fromderinside]

These caravaners are economic migrants. If they were legitimate asylum seekers, they would accept Mexico's offer to stay.
Migrant caravan members reject offer to stay in Mexico

But after one of the caravan's longest days of walking and hanging from passing trucks, the bulk of the migrants were boisterous Friday evening in their refusal to accept anything less than safe passage to the U.S. border."Thank you!" they yelled as they voted to reject the offer in a show of hands in the town of Arriaga. They then added: "No, we're heading north!"
Sitting at the edge of the edge of the town square, 58-year-old Oscar Sosa of San Pedro Sula, Honduras concurred.
"Our goal is not to remain in Mexico," Sosa said. "Our goal is to make it to the (U.S). We want passage, that's all."

How can anybody, with a straight face, say that these are anything but economic migrants? Even if they intend to defraud the asylum system in order to get into US.

On Friday evening, Irineo Mujica, whose organization People without Borders is supporting the caravan, accused Mexican immigration agents of harassing migrants in an effort to stop the group's advance. He urged them to travel closely together."They are terrorizing us," he said.

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Yeah. I'm going to accept an offer to stay in a country with the highest drug murder rate north of Brazil. Economic? No chance. They want safety for their children. Most of the migrants are women and children contrary to the big pumpkin's bombasts. That arse is sending troops because he is afraid of being attacked by those who have things he likes grabbing.

 

[Derec]

Yeah. I'm going to accept an offer to stay in a country with the highest drug murder rate north of Brazil.

Show me the numbers.

Economic? No chance.

Have you seen these migrants being interviewed? They lead with "there are no jobs" and "I make only $5 a day". If they talk about violence, it's an afterthought.

They want safety for their children.

And to give them a higher standard of living in the US.

Most of the migrants are women and children contrary to the big pumpkin's bombasts.

So? Do you think women and families can't be economic migrants?
And according to NY Times, you are wrong anyway.

María has been traveling with her two daughters from Honduras in the company of thousands of strangers, most of whom are young, single men. So it follows that she has some concerns about safety as they travel north as part of the migrant caravan.

Even this very pro-caravan, pro-mass migration article contradicts you. And even this article makes it very clear that the main motivation of the caravaners is economic. Some are even previously deported illegals. Their reentry would be a felony.

That arse is sending troops because he is afraid of being attacked by those who have things he likes grabbing.

Blah blah incoherent anti-Trump rant.
I don't much like the guy either, but one thing he is right about is mass migration.

By the way, Honduras has 9 million people. That means nearly 1 in 1000 Hondurans are in this caravan.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Show me the numbers.

Have you seen these migrants being interviewed? They lead with "there are no jobs" and "I make only $5 a day". If they talk about violence, it's an afterthought.

They want safety for their children.

And to give them a higher standard of living in the US.

Most of the migrants are women and children contrary to the big pumpkin's bombasts.

So? Do you think women and families can't be economic migrants?
And according to NY Times, you are wrong anyway.

María has been traveling with her two daughters from Honduras in the company of thousands of strangers, most of whom are young, single men. So it follows that she has some concerns about safety as they travel north as part of the migrant caravan.

Even this very pro-caravan, pro-mass migration article contradicts you. And even this article makes it very clear that the main motivation of the caravaners is economic. Some are even previously deported illegals. Their reentry would be a felony.

That arse is sending troops because he is afraid of being attacked by those who have things he likes grabbing.

Blah blah incoherent anti-Trump rant.
I don't much like the guy either, but one thing he is right about is mass migration.

By the way, Honduras has 9 million people. That means nearly 1 in 1000 Hondurans are in this caravan.

I hate to point out the obvious, but they are looking for jobs, we need workers. Have you ever looked at a graph of the availability of workers as the baby boomers retire? Our birth rate is nearly enough to keep up. We're in deep trouble. The three biggest long term threats to our economy are lack of workers, inflation, and the trade war. And you conservatives are just making it worse...

 

[Elixir]

I hate to point out the obvious...

Well, you have to do that for *some* posters...

but they are looking for jobs, we need workers.

If only they were from Norway...

 

[Derec]

I hate to point out the obvious, but they are looking for jobs, we need workers.

It's not obvious, and it's not even correct.
US needs workers in certain fields, but those will not be filled by semi-literate peasants that this caravan consists of.
But does this line of reasoning mean you open borders people are abandoning the argument that the caravaners are refugees and asylum seekers and finally admitting that they are economic migrants?

Have you ever looked at a graph of the availability of workers as the baby boomers retire?

What graph are you thinking of?
This caravan is not filled with a random sample of Honduran society. It tends to be most uneducated people who do stuff like this. And US does not particularly need many unskilled workers. In the future, there will be even less demand for such workers due to automation. All this mass migration is doing is depress wages in the bottom end of the labor market.

Our birth rate is nearly enough to keep up. We're in deep trouble.

US total fertility rate is somewhat below replacement, but nobody is suggesting to cut off immigration altogether. We can fill our needs through legal immigration. Plenty of people want to come here. We do not have to take everybody who demands to be let in, especially not when they have already shown propensity toward violence when they pushed through the Guatemalan-Mexican border.

The three biggest long term threats to our economy are lack of workers, inflation, and the trade war.

Not even close. Especially the lack of workers will not be a problem. Again, what immigrants US needs going forward can be filled through legal immigration, where US can do the selecting. Rather than letting random caravans in.

And you conservatives are just making it worse...

Not a conservative. Just not a naive open borders guy.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Yeah no one coming from Mexico could possibly be an asylum seeker. That'd be impossible. Why are right wing arguments always so pathetic?

 

[Harry Bosch]

Yeah no one coming from Mexico could possibly be an asylum seeker. That'd be impossible. Why are right wing arguments always so pathetic?

Well, it's elections time. Fear of brown people is a strong motivator for Lil'Trumpsters to get to the polls.

 

[Derec]

Well, it's elections time. Fear of brown people is a strong motivator for Lil'Trumpsters to get to the polls.

Yes, the only reason to reject unlimited mass migration of barely literate peasants from the third world is their hue.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Well, it's elections time. Fear of brown people is a strong motivator for Lil'Trumpsters to get to the polls.

Yes, the only reason to reject unlimited mass migration of barely literate peasants from the third world is their hue.

Unlimited?? Illegal immigration is down. Way down. It's at it's lowest level in many years. And yet now all of a sudden it's a Juuuge issue. Come on buddy! You're pretty smart. You don't see any politics in this? Seriously?

 

[Derec]

Unlimited??

That's what open border types like yourself want. Whoever shows up at the border should be let in. Like everybody in this caravan.

Illegal immigration is down. Way down.

From Mexico. From Central America it is up in recent years.
And note that rate of illegal migration going down only changes the rate of increase of the problem. Until there are more deportations than new illegals coming in, the problem is getting worse.
Your side wants no deportations and no enforcement of the borders to prevent new illegals from coming in.

It's at it's lowest level in many years. And yet now all of a sudden it's a Juuuge issue. Come on buddy! You're pretty smart. You don't see any politics in this? Seriously?

What I see is you saying we should let all these illegals in because we supposedly need them as workers. We have all these sanctuary cities preventing illegals from getting deported, even when they are criminal illegals, like that guy who shot and killed that woman in SF. He had felonies on his record but SF chose to release him instead of letting him get deported by ICE.

 

[fromderinside]

There is something about an argument made from mental gymnastics. It's easily tattered. Alabama, Florida, California, Texas, most ot the south and even arizona need farm workers. Those citizens living in those states either don't want or won't workk for wages necessary for those businesses to succeed. Result is more imported goods from those countries you are trying to keep workers from leaving. Sure we want mathematicians and selected scientists,but we don't want too many from India or China, or Malaysia. Wrong color and we aren't willing to speak their language when we do invite them over because, well, it's too hard for our citizens to learn such.

Gee. Our population is retiring a record rates while their jobs and jobs of other 'skilled' workers are going unfilled so up go wages in selected occupations and still there aren't enough workers to fill the bill. The family farm is practically history but you want us to make sure it's history by keeping qualified workers right across our border from coming here to work. It's not about protecting jobs. It's about protecting white privilege. Surte we'll take a few if they are related to white persons already here, speak Engish, and worship in churches. Hell, now we're even worrying about Koreans and Japanese immigrants. Fortunately there are more than enough jobs in Japan to keep most of them at home.

 

[Trausti]

There's really nothing wrong with encouraging foreigners to enter your country to aid with your domestic political battles. Like when Dermot MacMurrough invited Strongbow to Ireland to help him get back his Kingdom of Leinster. This turned out to be an obvious good for Ireland.