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Trump VS COVID-19 Threat

1010 WINS on Twitter: "1010 WINS INTERVIEW: @AOC talks about New Yorkers' biggest #coronavirus concerns, says, "we need to take very bold action right now to protect mom and pops, everyday people" [url]https://t.co/Q87dwInXqh https://t.co/90GJPXPIch" / Twitter[/url]
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AOC tells 1010 WINS we need to take care of small businesses | 1010 WINS
Headlined: NYC transit should definitely get a bailout, the airlines not so much. From the article:
When asked about what New Yorkers' biggest concerns were during the coronavirus outbreak, she said: "Of course on the one hand we have the public health concern, but the second is an economic concern. We really need to take very bold action right now to make sure that we protect our moms and pops, our local restaurants, small businesses and also everyday people: freelancers, hourly workers whose incomes are getting cut back dramatically and in an unprecedented fashion and I believe we need to take a lot of action to pass those folks through."
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Cash into people's pockets? That's good, but one will need mortgage, rent, and student-loan suspensions, like Italy and France, also paid leave. How long? At least 3 mos, likely 6 mos. Small businesses will be hurt *very* badly, and AOC speaks from her pre-Congress experience. Delivery and takeout may not be enough in many cases.

In NY-14, her district, not much hoarding and store shelves have not been emptied very much. She recommends not hoarding, so there will be plenty of stuff to go around. Then a mutual-aid workshop later this day. Assistance to elderly neighbors, caring for neighbors' children. Could use vacant hotels to house homeless people, be sure that people with housing can keep their housing.

What to do if one seems to have symptoms? Don't seek help if one's symptoms are mild - one shouldn't overload hospitals and doctors. One should isolate oneself in a room and let a loved one take care. As to sheltering in place, that has to be done over the entire region, and not just New York City proper. The city's suburbs sprawl into NJ, upstate NY, CT, and Long Island, and a shelter-in-place order for NYC may cause lots of people to move to those suburbs. So one will need coordination with the state gov'ts of NY, NJ, and CT. But one ought to fill one's prescriptions early, if at all possible.

Much better to bail out our public-transit systems, much more than the airlines. MTA: low or no fare.
 
act.tv (@actdottv) • Instagram photos and videos

act.tv on Instagram: “This is going to hit the most vulnerable the hardest, but it will get to us all eventually without a meaningful public health defense. Our President is fumbling this, and he will continue to fumble it. Stay home, wash your hands, sure- but vote. Mobilize. Fight for #medicareforall 🗳 we are all in this together. For better, but also for worse.”

act.tv on Instagram: “Follow the CDC guidelines for Coronavirus & please do not allow racism (or this virus) to spread.” - A Chinese person with a sign that say "I am not a virus"

act.tv on Instagram: “Is this a country for people, or corporations? Making billionaires richer is NOT a democracy. It’s something far more sinister.” - "We need to care for working people as much as we care for the stock market." - AOC

act.tv on Instagram: “The United States is the most powerful nation and the only industrialized nation without universal health care. We can and must do better. #M4A” - showing South Korea vs. the US in how much coronavirus testing that they've done. 10,000/day vs. 11,000 total.

act.tv on Instagram: “Paid sick leave, family leave, and medicare for all are not radical ideas. What IS radical is that the richest nation in history cannot provide basic human rights, like healthcare, for all its citizens when every other industrialized nation can.” - "Here's a radical idea. How about we don't wait until the next global pandemic to ensure that every American as paid sick leave and family leave?" - Robert Reich

act.tv on Instagram: “COVID-19 myths busted by Dr. Faheem Younus. Stay safe and please take care of yourselves and each other.”
  1. Don't expect the virus to go away in the summer.
  2. Mosquitoes don't carry it.
  3. How long you can hold you breath is independent of whether or not one has the virus.
  4. Blood banks won't test for the virus.
  5. The virus won't get washed way because it lives in the throat-lining cells.
  6. Social distancing with not much spread means that it worked.
  7. As to car accidents, they aren't contagious, they don't double every 3 days, and other such troubles.
  8. Hand sanitizers aren't better than soap and water.
  9. Clean every doorknob? Social distancing and washing one's hands are better.
  10. Was the virus spread by some big conspiracy? "Really?"

act.tv on Instagram: ““What are you doing going out right now?!”” - "In an unsettling reversal of my teenage years, I am now yelling at my parents for going out." - Brigid Delaney, @BrigidWD

act.tv on Instagram: “Coronavirus Myths and Facts
Let's all be careful to avoid sharing misinformation about #coronavirus (COVID-19). The following video was sourced with info directly from The World Health Organization and public health officials around the world.”
 
Gun Nut said:
Treedbear said:
crazyfingers said:
I wish that the press would stop showing healthy people wearing masks, unless it's to point out that it should not be done. The masks are no good for an uninfected person. Only sick people should be using them.
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Then how come healthcare workers desperately need more of them?
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surgical masks are for surgeons that still need to perform their services... people haven't stopped needing operations. Healthy people have thousands of kinds of bacteria and non-covid viruses in them... when treating a patient with an open wound, you don't want to accidentally spit your dirty saliva into it... Sick people can use them too to help prevent their infected spittle from escaping. Healthy people are not protected from airborne disease with surgical masks. You would need a sealed respirator with sub-micron filters.. you can get one for about $750.. that $0.30 piece of filter paper on string will do exactly nothing at all for you.

When you see Asian people on TV walking around their city with those masks on, it is not because they are trying to prevent infection from others... Asians wear these masks in their cities because the air is so polluted, they can filter some of the dirt out of the air so they breath less of it.

So, in America... Outside of the most polluted cities, healthy people have no use for those masks.
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Keith&Co. said:
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For example, the main point of surgical masks is to keep you from dripping snot, sweat, or spit into a patient. So you don't infect someone in a decidedly weakened state.
If you wear one to grocery store, it's probably not on correctly, it's only going to retain your spit & such for twenty minutes, and doesn't help if you touch someone else's doorknob and then touch your face, like to adjust your mask.
But surgeons need them, and really cannot reuse them.
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I'm not convinced. At first it seemed logical to me that they won't be effective protection for the wearer. I mean you need to breath the ambient air and whatever virus is might be in it. And to be a really effective filter it would have to be very restrictive. But the concerns I've heard about shortages seem to stress the need to protect the healthcare workers rather than the patients. Here's something about what the CDC is saying:
Face mask shortage prompts CDC to loosen coronavirus guidance

CDC has updated its recommendations regarding the face masks that front line health care workers should use to prevent infection from the novel coronavirus, or COVID-19.

CDC has updated its recommendations regarding the face masks that front line health care workers should use to prevent infection from the novel coronavirus, or COVID-19. A shortage of the specialized N95 respirators, which filter out about 95% of airborne particles, has prompted new CDC guidelines which state that "the supply chain of respirators cannot meet demand" and that looser fitting surgical face masks "are an acceptable alternative." The surgical masks will limit, but not eliminate, the likelihood of inhaling large, infectious particles circulating near the face. CDC had previously recommended that health care workers interacting with COVID-19 patients or suspected cases wear N95 respirators, as well as gowns, globes, and eye protectors. A number of unions had previously said they would oppose any changes in recommendations because emerging diseases such as COVID-19 pose an occupational hazards for workers on the front lines, particularly health care workers. "We are strongly opposed to any measures that fail to provide optimal protection and infection control standards," the groups wrote in a March 6 letter to CDC officials. "Now is the time to use every possible tool available to guarantee the highest level of protection, guided by the precautionary principle, to prevent further spread of infection, protect health care workers, and preserve our capacity to respond to a widespread outbreak." The CDC guidance noted that the changes were prompted by the shortages. The agency is advising the N95 respirators be reserved for protecting workers in the most dangerous situations, where fine aerosol is likely to be generated, such as during intubations. Additionally, the guidelines suggest that health care facilities consider alternatives to N95 masks, such as more elaborate powered air purifying respirators.
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I see the need to make sure healthcare workers are protected. Just saying that something about the messaging doesn't make sense. Nothing new about that.
 
Just think of it as having a general equivalence of face masks for health workers v general populace and weapons for the military v general populace.
 
Pod Save America on Twitter: ""I'm gonna do something that's rare...and just directly answer the question."
@repkatieporter discusses the Coronavirus pandemic's impact on the economy and how she and other Americans are dealing with it 👇 https://t.co/mjrOiLA6gN" / Twitter
noting
Katie Porter Talks Coronavirus | Pod Save America Full Interview - YouTube
KP talked about how means testing is a bad thing - especially means testing with a lot of complicated paperwork and bureaucracy. That can make many people fall through the cracks of the system.

She also talked about getting the head of the CDC to commit to free testing for everybody.

Also about voting on the House floor -- everybody crowding around the voting machines: typically 400+ present House members. So she recommended the establishing of a remote-voting procedure.

Pod Save America on Twitter: ""We failed. The reason this happened is because of Secretary Mnuchin & the Trump Administration. We wanted 10 days minimum of paid sick leave ... This is the deal we got."
— @katieporteroc on why the House bill doesn't make corporations pay sick leave.
Episode out soon! https://t.co/NGRJB19gxJ" / Twitter
The one linked to above.

MediaRoom - News Releases/Statements
noting
Jeffrey Stein on Twitter: "Boeing is just out with its bailout ask in a new statement. Minimum $60 billion in access to "public and private liquidity, including loan guarantees"
Bailouts currently on table for: hotels; airlines; cruises; casinos; oil & gas producers
https://t.co/XVyrVukE8L" / Twitter
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Katie Porter on Twitter: "Hard no. https://t.co/Aa2jMy3K2q" / Twitter

Katie Porter on Twitter: "Truth: #KatiePortersWhiteboard runs in the family (my parents were both teachers). Here’s my sister, @dremilyportermd, an emergency physician, explaining “flattening the curve” for COVID-19. Watch to learn more about how you can save lives ➡️ https://t.co/7cTpQzjWWf" / Twitter
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Coronavirus “flattening the curve” explained by Emergency Physician Emily Porter, M.D. - YouTube
 
 
Treedbear said:
Gun Nut said:
surgical masks are for surgeons that still need to perform their services... people haven't stopped needing operations. Healthy people have thousands of kinds of bacteria and non-covid viruses in them... when treating a patient with an open wound, you don't want to accidentally spit your dirty saliva into it... Sick people can use them too to help prevent their infected spittle from escaping. Healthy people are not protected from airborne disease with surgical masks. You would need a sealed respirator with sub-micron filters.. you can get one for about $750.. that $0.30 piece of filter paper on string will do exactly nothing at all for you.

When you see Asian people on TV walking around their city with those masks on, it is not because they are trying to prevent infection from others... Asians wear these masks in their cities because the air is so polluted, they can filter some of the dirt out of the air so they breath less of it.

So, in America... Outside of the most polluted cities, healthy people have no use for those masks.
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Keith&Co. said:
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For example, the main point of surgical masks is to keep you from dripping snot, sweat, or spit into a patient. So you don't infect someone in a decidedly weakened state.
If you wear one to grocery store, it's probably not on correctly, it's only going to retain your spit & such for twenty minutes, and doesn't help if you touch someone else's doorknob and then touch your face, like to adjust your mask.
But surgeons need them, and really cannot reuse them.
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I'm not convinced. At first it seemed logical to me that they won't be effective protection for the wearer. I mean you need to breath the ambient air and whatever virus is might be in it. And to be a really effective filter it would have to be very restrictive. But the concerns I've heard about shortages seem to stress the need to protect the healthcare workers rather than the patients. Here's something about what the CDC is saying:
Face mask shortage prompts CDC to loosen coronavirus guidance

CDC has updated its recommendations regarding the face masks that front line health care workers should use to prevent infection from the novel coronavirus, or COVID-19.

CDC has updated its recommendations regarding the face masks that front line health care workers should use to prevent infection from the novel coronavirus, or COVID-19. A shortage of the specialized N95 respirators, which filter out about 95% of airborne particles, has prompted new CDC guidelines which state that "the supply chain of respirators cannot meet demand" and that looser fitting surgical face masks "are an acceptable alternative." The surgical masks will limit, but not eliminate, the likelihood of inhaling large, infectious particles circulating near the face. CDC had previously recommended that health care workers interacting with COVID-19 patients or suspected cases wear N95 respirators, as well as gowns, globes, and eye protectors. A number of unions had previously said they would oppose any changes in recommendations because emerging diseases such as COVID-19 pose an occupational hazards for workers on the front lines, particularly health care workers. "We are strongly opposed to any measures that fail to provide optimal protection and infection control standards," the groups wrote in a March 6 letter to CDC officials. "Now is the time to use every possible tool available to guarantee the highest level of protection, guided by the precautionary principle, to prevent further spread of infection, protect health care workers, and preserve our capacity to respond to a widespread outbreak." The CDC guidance noted that the changes were prompted by the shortages. The agency is advising the N95 respirators be reserved for protecting workers in the most dangerous situations, where fine aerosol is likely to be generated, such as during intubations. Additionally, the guidelines suggest that health care facilities consider alternatives to N95 masks, such as more elaborate powered air purifying respirators.
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I see the need to make sure healthcare workers are protected. Just saying that something about the messaging doesn't make sense. Nothing new about that.
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COVID-19 is not airborne, so practicing social distancing, washing your hands, and avoiding touching your face are the things that are going to be the best bet for a civilian to avoid contracting the virus. Medical workers are more at risk because they can't always practice social distancing. They have to be very close to patients to check their ear, nose and throat, and in some cases will even need to touch the patient. As a result, they are at a much larger risk of someone coughing directly in their face, or otherwise being contaminated by bodily fluids that might carry the virus. Wearing a mask is going to help mitigate that.
 
blastula said:
Elixir said:
ZiprHead said:
As I understand it, yes, he did say it.
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Source? All I can find is someone on Twitter saying he said it... not that it would surprise me.
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Someone told me this today too, but Snopes says no.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-quote-never-died-before/
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The quote feels false. It is trying to make him look real deal. Trump's strength is ineffectiveness (a GOP president specialty over the last couple decades) and lying. This is neither.

It should be quite enough to post Trump saying that he never said the virus was a big deal... and post the previous tweets implying a conspiracy and leave it at that, but social media sucks at providing observations that requires any at the level of a knock knock joke or higher.
 
My wife told me last night that she read somewhere that the feds have a stockpile of 5 million of the N95 facemasks in storage, yet to be released.
 
Treedbear said:
But the concerns I've heard about shortages seem to stress the need to protect the healthcare workers rather than the patients.
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it's protecting both, really.
But a patient will see a few healthcare workers on a trip to urgent care, one of them up close.
The healthcare worker is going to see as many people as they can process during that shift. Masking the patient protects that patient. Maskng the nurse protects all their patients.
 
Trump just needs to disintegrate into unbonded molecules and disappear.

If that can't arranged through quantum mechanics, I would accept him disappearing by locking himself in a room without his cell phone. This is bad enough as it is, without him trying to help his self-image during an unbelievably poorly executed plan to a pandemic, in the 21st century!
 
What on earth is Trump talking about that an anti malaria drug will be available to fight corona?

From CNN https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news...0-intl-hnk/h_0836a85dbba5060f6fecae63c1fd2a52

President Trump says he’s pushed the Food and Drug Administration to eliminate barriers to getting therapeutics for coronavirus to patients.

He said a drug currently used as an antimalarial — hydroxychloroquine — would be made available almost immediately to treat coronavirus.

"It’s been around for a long time, so we know if things don’t go as planned, it’s not going to kill anybody,” Trump told reporters at the White House today.

Trump said it was a common drug and would soon be available for “prescribed use” on coronavirus. He called it a “game-changer."

"We have to remove every barrier or a lot of barriers that were unnecessary and they’ve done that to get the rapid deployment of safe, effective treatments and we think we have some good answers,” Trump said.
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Since when are drugs that fight single cell organisms effective against a virus?

new He appears to have jumped he gun. (Surprise, surprise) https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/politics/trump-fda-anti-viral-treatments-coronavirus/index.html
 
crazyfingers said:
What on earth is Trump talking about that an anti malaria drug will be available to fight corona? ... Since when are drugs that fight single cell organisms effective against a virus?
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The next thing Doctor Trump will prescribe will probably be oxycodone. Gotta pump up those donors, y'know.
 
I'm sure that Trump's speechwriters are looking for notable examples of past oratory to give to their boss, but I think that he considers himself a total genius at that, and in no need of anybody's help.

Like 'We will fight them on the beaches': Churchill's wartime | Daily Mail Online
We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.
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NY State Senate Bill S8091 - "Relates to the provision of certain employee benefits when such employee is subject to a mandatory or precautionary order of quarantine or isolation"
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New York Senate on Twitter: "@SenatorMyrie #NYSenate Bill S8091, sponsored by Senator @jessicaramos, passed 50-6 (unofficial). Relates to the provision of certain employee benefits when such employee is subject to a mandatory or precautionary order of quarantine or isolation: https://t.co/xZ39NKsEfY" / Twitter
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State Senator
Jessica Ramos on Twitter: "Emergency paid sick leave has passed and is effective immediately. https://t.co/KitHxdaQ8R" / Twitter
noting
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "🚨 If you live in New York & have an employer, you are now eligible for paid sick leave.
If you are a gig/contract worker: PLEASE CALL YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS.
Ask them what they’re supporting to take care of you. If they don’t hear it, they may not know it’s a district concern. https://t.co/kZ8Dopl2v9" / Twitter
noting
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Please know that these calls matter a LOT. I constantly monitor call topics **from constituents** so I can best prioritize what I’m working on for NY-14 in the flurry of legislation.
If I have two good priorities and need to triage them,I ask what constituents are calling about." / Twitter
then
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "If your member is in touch w/ home, they are likely doing the same.
Having a Dem rep isn’t a “set it and forget it” thing. Don’t just say “oh, they’ll do the right thing.”
We NEED you to help us understand what you care about. 2 districts could have diff top 3 priorities. CALL." / Twitter
 
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