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Trump VS COVID-19 Threat

After weeks of dismissing the impending pandemic as a “hoax” meant to hurt his presidency, Trump has slowly come around to acknowledge our grim new reality. He’s deployed familiar tropes to paint himself as a wartime leader, while simultaneously whining that he hasn’t been given enough credit.
This is someone who calls himself a "stable genius".

39-year-old found dead in her kitchen — her coronavirus test from four days earlier still had not come back – Raw Story

‘A weak man with delusions of competence’: Trump buried for lying his way through the daily pandemic press conferences – Raw Story
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Opinion | Call Trump’s News Conferences What They Are: Propaganda - The New York Times - "Then contrast them with the leadership shown by Andrew Cuomo, Justin Trudeau and Angela Merkel."
In a time of global emergency, we need calm, directness and, above all, hard facts. Only the opposite is on offer from the Trump White House. It is therefore time to call the president’s news conferences for what they are: propaganda.

We may as well be watching newsreels approved by the Soviet Politburo. We’re witnessing the falsification of history in real time. When Donald Trump, under the guise of social distancing, told the White House press corps on Thursday that he ought to get rid of 75 to 80 percent of them — reserving the privilege only for those he liked — it may have been chilling, but it wasn’t surprising. He wants to thin out their ranks until there’s only Pravda in the room.
About Andrew Cuomo, "He was expressing fallibility. Imagine that."
 
‘You have blood on your hands’: Trump’s enablers ripped by ex-Obama official as more Americans die from coronavirus – Raw Story

Arne Duncan on Twitter: "When the President of the United States refuses to read his intelligence reports, unfortunately lots and lots of people die.
That is reality.
This is not a reality tv show.
And, to all those who have enabled him and placated him, you have blood on your hands. https://t.co/1P1oq9Hlw0" / Twitter


‘A disgrace’: Trump’s surgeon general ripped for parroting president’s coronavirus spin – Raw Story
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Has the U.S. Surgeon General Caught a Bad Case of Trumpism?

From Raw Story:
Meanwhile, wrote Wren, “On Wednesday, he was asked by NBC’s Savannah Guthrie whether the U.S. could meet the demand for ventilators. ‘The best way to not run out of ventilators or [personal protective equipment] is to make sure you drive down demand,’ Adams responded, discussing the virus in terms that implied people were pursuing—not avoiding—it. And that’s not to mention a discordant chiding he gave reporters in a March 14 briefing: ‘No more criticism or finger-pointing,’ Adams told the assembled press, playing media critic instead of the anesthesiologist he is.”
The ‘fate of Trump’s presidency’ hinges on what happens over the next two days: report – Raw Story
“It’s been said before, through self-inflicted crises and global tumult. But now, it’s truer than ever: the next two days are the most pivotal in Donald Trump’s presidency,” Politico’s Anna Palmer and Jake Sherman wrote. “With one-third of the country relegated to their homes, the stock market at 2017 levels and a disease crowding hospitals and taking lives, TRUMP needs a Congress with which he has a rocky relationship to deliver him a massive legislative package in the next several days — or else.”
 
What large US states are doing to contain coronavirus - Vox

Coronavirus and the Spanish flu: A historian reflects on key lessons - Vox - "“The government lied. They lied about everything”: a historian on what went wrong in 1918."

Like Trump on January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”

Sean Illing: What would you say was the biggest, most consequential mistake made in 1918 — by governments, by local communities, by individuals?

John M. Barry: The government lied. They lied about everything. We were at war and they lied because they didn’t want to upend the war effort. You had public health leaders telling people this was just the ordinary flu by another name. They simply didn’t tell the people the truth about what was happening.

SI: How long did it take for reality to explode those lies?

JMB: Not long. People noticed pretty quickly what was up when their neighbors started dying 24 hours after symptoms first appeared. People were in the streets bleeding out of their noses, bleeding out of their mouths, bleeding out of their eyes and ears. It was horrific. Everyone understood very quickly that this was not an ordinary flu.

SI: And what were the consequences of all that lying?

JMB: It was a disaster. People lost faith in everything — in their government, in what they were being told, in each other. It just isolated people even further. If trust collapses, then it becomes everyone for themselves, and that’s the worst instinct in a crisis of this scale.
 
Pandemic disease is the greatest threat to humanity in the 21st century. Bill Gates says we’re not ready. - Vox - from 2015 May 27, nearly 5 years ago
I. Bill Gates is an optimist

... Hell, he can measure them getting better. Child mortality has fallen by half since 1990. To him, optimism is simply realism.

...
"Look at the death chart of the 20th century," he says, because he's the kind of guy that looks at death charts. "I think everybody would say there must be a spike for World War I. Sure enough, there it is, like 25 million. And there must be a big spike for World War II, and there it is, it's like 65 million. But then you'll see this other spike that is as large as World War II right after World War I, and most people, would say, 'What was that?'"

"Well, that was the Spanish flu."

II. The most predictable threat in the history of the human race

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In a 1990 paper on "The Anthropology of Infectious Disease," Marcia Inhorn and Peter Brown estimated that infectious diseases "have likely claimed more lives than all wars, noninfectious diseases, and natural disasters put together." Infectious diseases are our oldest, deadliest foe.

And they remain so today. "In a good year, flu kills over 10,000 Americans," says Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "In a bad year, it kills over five times that. If we have a pandemic, it will be much worse. People think the H1N1 flu wasn’t so bad. But more than 1,000 American kids died from H1N1!"

III. The "luck" of the Ebola outbreak

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Ebola, Klain thinks, shows how unprepared the world was for a disease that it's known about for decades and that, comparatively speaking, spreads pretty slowly. A person infected with Ebola can be expected to pass the disease on to two people, barring effective countermeasures (epidemiologists call this the "reproduction number"). Two is not that high, as these things go. The SARS virus had a reproduction number of four. Measles has a reproduction number of 18.

IV. How human beings have helped infectious disease

... But then he used it to look into how a disease that acted like the Spanish flu of 1918 would work in today's world.

The results were shocking, even to Gates. "Within 60 days it's basically in all urban centers around the entire globe," he says. "That didn't happen with the Spanish flu."

V. Underdeveloped health systems threaten developed countries

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According to the World Health Organization, the United States spends more than $8,000 per person, per year, on health care. Eritrea spends less than $20. Traditionally, Americans thinks of that as Eritrea's problem. But if a highly infectious, highly lethal new disease presents in Eritrea, and the world is slow to learn about it, then it will quickly become America's problem.

This is, of course, what happened with Ebola. If it had made its first appearance in the United States, it likely would have been caught, and contained, quickly. But as my colleague Julia Belluz wrote, the countries where the 2014 outbreak began "happen to be three of the poorest in the world, and it took them at least three months to even realize they were harboring an Ebola outbreak." By the time Ebola was recognized, it was already out of control — and so, for the first time, it made its way to American shores.

VI. "Are we sure [the WHO] can do better next time? No."

... The first is countries that don't want to admit they need international help because they don't want to admit they have a problem in the first place.

... The second is countries that can't admit international help, either because the state is too weak and fragmented to effectively coordinate with international actors or because the state is hostile to the organizations that would need to come in and offer relief.

... The third problem is that no one really trusts the efficacy of the international institutions that would most naturally coordinate the response.
The Anthropology of Infectious Disease | Annual Review of Anthropology

Very prescient. The first one of VI seems much like the ChiCom government and pResident tRump, denying the threat of COVID-19 before acknowledging its reality.
 
Very prescient. The first one of VI seems much like the ChiCom government and pResident tRump, denying the threat of COVID-19 before acknowledging its reality.

It's going to kill boatloads of people in Africa, that much is certain.
 
On CNN State of the Union:

State of the Union on Twitter: "FEMA administrator Pete Gaynor says Pres. Trump hasn’t enforced the Defense Production Act to order companies to manufacture masks, ventilators and other critical supplies because companies are donating equipment. “It’s happening without using that lever.” #CNNSOTU https://t.co/2KYfE4ccHw" / Twitter

State of the Union on Twitter: "Illinois Gov. Pritzker says despite FEMA streamlining critical supply requests, the state is still only getting a fraction of what it needs and is competing against other states on the open market for supplies. “It’s a wild west... indeed we are overpaying" for PPE. #CNNSOTU https://t.co/3MLLFir83V" / Twitter

State of the Union on Twitter: "“We cannot wait until people start really dying in large numbers … we need to start this production right now to get ready for the surge that is coming in two to three weeks.” -Rep. @AOC reacts to Pres. Trump not enforcing the Defense Production Act. #CNNSOTU https://t.co/sENJMXfHkC" / Twitter

AOC says that donations of equipment are good, but not good enough, and she says that we ought to ramp up production of ventilators and hospital beds and the like in preparation for a coming surge of coronavirus cases.

CNN Politics on Twitter: "Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker says stay-at-home orders should have been done nationally: "Unless we tell people to stay home and to stop interacting in the way that they were, we're going to see more ... tens of thousands of more deaths than we otherwise would" #CNNSOTU https://t.co/JI2zdgDSBY" / Twitter

State of the Union on Twitter: "“If you are a young person in America today, you need to stay home,” says Rep. @AOC. “You may not think you have [coronavirus] and you very well might and you especially might if you continue to go out and live life as usual.” #CNNSOTU https://t.co/WojaaGL9eb" / Twitter

She warns that one may end up giving the virus to other people, including very vulnerable people like one's elders. Thus being a coronavirus Typhoid Mary.

Katie Hinman on Twitter: "The former Surgeon General @vivek_murthy suggests to @jaketapper that furloughed flight attendants, who have basic medical training, could be put to work helping hospitals as more health care workers themselves get sick." / Twitter
 
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Thank you for speaking up and leading, Fran Marion.
You deserve paid sick leave, and any multi-billion dollar corporation telling you they “can’t afford it” is wrong. https://t.co/g22IsVgrRX" / Twitter

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New York Times Opinion on Twitter: "A shift manager at a McDonald’s restaurant in Kansas City, Mo., asks why a company that earned $5.3 billion last year can’t guarantee paid sick leave for all of its workers. [url]https://t.co/5AWIY3UORc https://t.co/k9AIxnXTMe" / Twitter[/url]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "
Food workers.
Grocery clerks.
Cashiers.
Delivery drivers.
Warehouse stockers.
They were never “unskilled workers.”
They were always essential.
And it’s WAY past time they got the respect they deserve w/ a living wage, paid sick leave, guaranteed healthcare, hazard pay, & more." / Twitter


CNN Politics on Twitter: "Rep Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez suggests suspending debt and other payments to free up emergency relief funds: "If we're able to get money into households and stop the bleeding with pauses on money going out of households then we can get working families through this thing" #CNNSOTU https://t.co/GsFdY2yzlZ" / Twitter
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Two major economic actions we should take to stabilize working families:
1. Get checks into everyone’s hands NOW. We can tax it back next year from the privileged who don’t need it.
2. Stop the money OUT. Suspend all major bill payments including mortgages, rent, loans, etc. https://t.co/lmSfcS72N9" / Twitter


AOC looked a lot like ST:TNG Deanna Troi in that interview.

I like that point about avoiding all the bureaucracy that would be necessary for means-testing. Katie Porter has also made that point.
 
Means testing takes time and costs money. The amount of money we save by means testing is minuscule and inconsequential to the loss in economic growth. And there could be the opposite issue as well, as a person making $75,000 in an expensive part of the country will be hurting with a higher mortgage if they lose their job. This isn’t about stimulus, it is about keeping the economy from drowning.

We have no time to waste, in fact we are about to be behind schedule about one week ago. Goldman Sachs estimates two million people lost their jobs or were heavily furloughed last week.
 
My sister, who lives in New Jersey, told me today that NJ is now telling all nonessential businesses to close down. She is an HR specialist who serves small business. She told me she has been looking at her list of clients and thinks that at least half of them perform what is being defined as nonessential business. I don't know if it will impact her job, but she's 68 and has been thinking about retiring anyway. She's been working from home for the last week or so, as directed by her company. NJ is one of the most expensive states to live in, so what will happen to all those people who work in these so called non essential businesses?


Most of the people on AOCs list won't lose their jobs, as grocery stores are begging for workers to do a large variety of jobs. Plus Amazon is begging for help as more and more people are ordering things online. I am especially concerned about the under paid, over worked nursing assistants. There is already a huge shortage of these workers in many states, including my own. What will happen when they get sick? I have always considered them the most important employees in long term care. My job as an RN in long term care required more education and assessment skills, but I was never the one who bathed residents, changed their diapers, or helped feed the ones who needed help. They had the hard job.
 
Rand Paul just tested positive for the virus per MSNBC. I don't wish this on anyone, but wasn't he one who wasn't taking this very seriously in the beginning. He is asymptomatic so far, and he's the first US Senator to test positive for COVID-19.
 
Ron Paul says it's overhyped, haven't heard Rand say anything about it, but he has been delaying votes on Senate bills with typical Randian amendments.
 
Very prescient. The first one of VI seems much like the ChiCom government and pResident tRump, denying the threat of COVID-19 before acknowledging its reality.

It's going to kill boatloads of people in Africa, that much is certain.

It's going to burn hot, but in poor parts of the world that's actually a good thing. Swamping the medical system means little when the medical system can't save very many in the first place, and they'll suffer less economic disruption that way. Flattening the curve is only beneficial when the doctors can save people.
 
Rand Paul just tested positive for the virus per MSNBC. I don't wish this on anyone, but wasn't he one who wasn't taking this very seriously in the beginning. He is asymptomatic so far, and he's the first US Senator to test positive for COVID-19.

Asymptomatic but was tested for it? Who was he near that they knew had it?
 
Means testing takes time and costs money. The amount of money we save by means testing is minuscule and inconsequential to the loss in economic growth. And there could be the opposite issue as well, as a person making $75,000 in an expensive part of the country will be hurting with a higher mortgage if they lose their job. This isn’t about stimulus, it is about keeping the economy from drowning.

We have no time to waste, in fact we are about to be behind schedule about one week ago. Goldman Sachs estimates two million people lost their jobs or were heavily furloughed last week.

It's still the wrong way to go about it. Means testing is hard but you don't really need it here--instead, beef up unemployment. You're eligible from the first day you're laid off or zero hours, no requirement to look for work, the time you were at the job doesn't matter, toll the clock on benefits.
 
Means testing takes time and costs money. The amount of money we save by means testing is minuscule and inconsequential to the loss in economic growth. And there could be the opposite issue as well, as a person making $75,000 in an expensive part of the country will be hurting with a higher mortgage if they lose their job. This isn’t about stimulus, it is about keeping the economy from drowning.

We have no time to waste, in fact we are about to be behind schedule about one week ago. Goldman Sachs estimates two million people lost their jobs or were heavily furloughed last week.

It's still the wrong way to go about it. Means testing is hard but you don't really need it here--instead, beef up unemployment. You're eligible from the first day you're laid off or zero hours, no requirement to look for work, the time you were at the job doesn't matter, toll the clock on benefits.

Who processes the two million claims immediately?
 
Means testing takes time and costs money. The amount of money we save by means testing is minuscule and inconsequential to the loss in economic growth. And there could be the opposite issue as well, as a person making $75,000 in an expensive part of the country will be hurting with a higher mortgage if they lose their job. This isn’t about stimulus, it is about keeping the economy from drowning.
I agree. It's needless bureaucracy.

The Intercept on Twitter: "“What coronavirus has essentially done ... is it has taken these slow moving crises that we have already been experiencing in the United States, and basically pressed fast forward on every single one.” @AOC joins @mehdirhasan on #Deconstructed. https://t.co/blmVgVQ4nA" / Twitter -- Deconstructed: How to Save the U.S. Economy, With AOC

Deconstructed: How to Save the U.S. Economy, With AOC AOC:
We have to examine why there wasn’t political appetite to do more in 2008. And the reason for that was because there was a package that was entirely designed to favor corporations, to bail out Wall Street that was more concerned with stock prices than wages and the health of Wall Street than the actual healthcare system. And that’s why there wasn’t political appetite to do more because we passed out billions of dollars and then the CEOs came in flying in on their private jets, asking for more. And so that was the core of why Americans rejected doing more after the first package.
She continued with saying that we have to do more for everyday people this time around.
 
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "“GOP *refusing to increase $ for hospitals,* but HAVE increased corporate bailout $.”
The Senate GOP plan is corrupt. Their greed & incompetence is going to get people killed. Others will be displaced, or unable to eat.
They‘re holding our country hostage for a Wall St payday. https://t.co/lySpwfDNck" / Twitter



As AOC notes, a big problem with the 2008-09 bailouts is their mainly being focused on big banks and the like. But early in his presidency, Barack Obama proposed a response to the 2009 slump, his "Homeowners Affordability and Stability Plan", for helping homeowners avoid foreclosure.

It provoked a fierce response from a certain Rick Santelli, a trader and reporter at the Chicago Board of Trade. On 2009 Feb 24, he fiercely denounced it (When CNBC Created the Tea Party).

“The government is promoting bad behavior. ... How about this, president and new administration, why don’t you put up a website to have people vote on the Internet as a referendum to see if we really want to subsidize the losers’ mortgages.”

He got a lot of applause from the floor traders, the “silent majority,” when he added that the government should “reward people that can carry the water instead of drink the water.” (a very Marxist sentiment)

“This is America! How many of you people want to pay for your neighbor’s mortgage that has an extra bathroom and can’t pay their bills?”

They didn't want to.

“President Obama, are you listening? ... We’re thinking of having a Chicago Tea Party in July. All you capitalists show up to Lake Michigan, I’m going to start organizing.”

Cheers.

“I’ll tell you what: If you read our Founding Fathers—people like Benjamin Franklin and Jefferson—what we’re doing in this country now is making them roll over in their graves.”

Rick Santelli and the "Rant of the Year" - YouTube

It was the beginning of the Tea Party and the Republican counterrevolution of the Obama and Trump years.

Rick Santelli Tea Party Rant - Business Insider - five years later, he was proud of what he had done that day.
 
It's just sad that the media and Dems are LOVING that more and more people are being infected because it means they can blame Trump. One reporter today asked Trump, "How long will this last?" This is one of the dumbest questions ever. How is Trump supposed to know that? Can he see the future? The reporter wanted Trump to give an answer of let's say "3 months" and then after 3 months that reporter can say, "HA! See Trump?!?! You said 3 months and it's not over yet!!!!!!! YOU LIED!!!!!!"

Just extremely sickening how the media treats our President.

Media again went out of control going, "OMG CASES ARE SKYROCKETING!!!!!" Yes, because people are getting tested now, dummies! So, of course the numbers will go up since we now know for sure which people have it. Before the tests, those people were still infected, we just didn't know it yet.

Bunch of idiots. Trump even mentioned how George Washington had businesses while in the White House as well. Yet, it wasn't a problem until Trump came along. Media hates this guy with an irrational passion.
 
It's just sad that the media and Dems are LOVING that more and more people are being infected because it means they can blame Trump. One reporter today asked Trump, "How long will this last?" This is one of the dumbest questions ever. How is Trump supposed to know that? Can he see the future? The reporter wanted Trump to give an answer of let's say "3 months" and then after 3 months that reporter can say, "HA! See Trump?!?! You said 3 months and it's not over yet!!!!!!! YOU LIED!!!!!!"

Just extremely sickening how the media treats our President.

It was a perfectly sensible question to ask a president, although not necessarily this particular president. The idea was that a normal president might have been briefed on information about how long we would need to keep everything shut down. A president would be expected to have better knowledge than the public and have some plan for going forward. Of course, it is kind of stupid to ask such questions of Donald Trump, who seldom listens to the experts that work for the government. Instead, he watches Fox News, like his clueless supporters.

...Media again went out of control going, "OMG CASES ARE SKYROCKETING!!!!!" Yes, because people are getting tested now, dummies! So, of course the numbers will go up since we now know for sure which people have it. Before the tests, those people were still infected, we just didn't know it yet.

That accounts for some of the increase, but we can tell that cases are skyrocketing when they are running out of ventilators, face masks, and other vital equipment in hospitals. You don't keep up with the news much, do you?

...Bunch of idiots. Trump even mentioned how George Washington had businesses while in the White House as well. Yet, it wasn't a problem until Trump came along. Media hates this guy with an irrational passion.

Actually, the anger is quite rational. Donald Trump has invited it with his behavior. Just read his Twitter feed. Regarding George Washington, it is absolutely true that the first president and many subsequent ones had private businesses when in office. However, unlike Trump, he was well aware of the Constitutional prohibition on receiving emoluments for his actions in office. And that was well before all those laws that prohibited public officials from profiting off of their public office or using it to help them get reelected. Not that this president obeys those laws. He doesn't have to, because the Republican Senate will never remove him from office no matter how many laws he violates.
 
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