Universal background checks won't work

[Loren Pechtel]

https://thehill.com/opinion/op-ed/288877-a-universally-bad-idea

Unless you have registration of all guns it will leak like a sieve. It's just one of these cases where the masses don't understand the complexity of the issue.



(And there's also the little detail I ran into that it will cost lives--because suicidal people can't have someone take custody of their guns.)

 

[bilby]

https://thehill.com/opinion/op-ed/288877-a-universally-bad-idea

Unless you have registration of all guns it will leak like a sieve. It's just one of these cases where the masses don't understand the complexity of the issue.



(And there's also the little detail I ran into that it will cost lives--because suicidal people can't have someone take custody of their guns.)

Whether or not something 'works' depends on how you define 'works'.

If you are prepared to abandon any attempt to reduce the number and/or severity of gun crimes, on the basis that any proposed solution is not a complete and universal solution, then it seems clear that you cannot ever succeed. As every developed nation other than the USA has succeeded in having FAR fewer gun crimes than the USA, that suggests either that you are pig ignorant; Or that you would prefer to keep the current high level of gun crimes, rather than consider any restrictions on the 'freedom' of those who want to own guns.

Americans seem incapable of seeing past their own borders. Universal Health Care; Firearms Restrictions; Inter-city Railways; Social Safety Nets; Multi-party democracy. All of these things are unworkable and impossible - and the fact that other developed nations have done these impossible things is simply disregarded.

Fuck you all. You deserve the consequences. Idiots.

 

[Rhea]

https://thehill.com/opinion/op-ed/288877-a-universally-bad-idea

Unless you have registration of all guns it will leak like a sieve. It's just one of these cases where the masses don't understand the complexity of the issue.



(And there's also the little detail I ran into that it will cost lives--because suicidal people can't have someone take custody of their guns.)

Sure. Start with universal background checks, move on to registration of all guns. With annual audits.

 

[bilby]

https://thehill.com/opinion/op-ed/288877-a-universally-bad-idea

Unless you have registration of all guns it will leak like a sieve. It's just one of these cases where the masses don't understand the complexity of the issue.



(And there's also the little detail I ran into that it will cost lives--because suicidal people can't have someone take custody of their guns.)

Sure. Start with universal background checks, move on to registration of all guns. With annual audits.

Nononononono.

You can't start with one initiative, then add more, until you get to the situation you were trying to achieve.

You must first try one thing, and if it is not 100% effective at achieving 100% of your goals, then you MUST discard it and give up.

 

[Rhea]

Oh, yeah. I forgot the rules of Goal Oriented Inaction.

 

[laughing dog]

Yeah, IMO the problem in the USA is that there are too many people like LP who do not think these things through at all.

 

[ideologyhunter]

We are a society that witnessed the slaughter of primary-grade students with a high-capacity weapon. And out of that, we got an NRA/GOP mantra of 'the solution is more guns!' I am pessimistic on the chance that any progress will be made in my lifetime. Somewhere, James Michener did a series of essays on American life, concluding on the subject of handguns being sold like baloney sandwiches: 'We're stuck with the damn things.' I'd love to be proven wrong. Somehow, the SCOTUS we have now is the ultimate whammy on optimism.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

https://thehill.com/opinion/op-ed/288877-a-universally-bad-idea

Unless you have registration of all guns it will leak like a sieve. It's just one of these cases where the masses don't understand the complexity of the issue.



(And there's also the little detail I ran into that it will cost lives--because suicidal people can't have someone take custody of their guns.)

Whether or not something 'works' depends on how you define 'works'.

If you are prepared to abandon any attempt to reduce the number and/or severity of gun crimes, on the basis that any proposed solution is not a complete and universal solution, then it seems clear that you cannot ever succeed. As every developed nation other than the USA has succeeded in having FAR fewer gun crimes than the USA, that suggests either that you are pig ignorant; Or that you would prefer to keep the current high level of gun crimes, rather than consider any restrictions on the 'freedom' of those who want to own guns.

Americans seem incapable of seeing past their own borders. Universal Health Care; Firearms Restrictions; Inter-city Railways; Social Safety Nets; Multi-party democracy. All of these things are unworkable and impossible - and the fact that other developed nations have done these impossible things is simply disregarded.

Fuck you all. You deserve the consequences. Idiots.

Turn it on it's head--your position is anything that reduces gun crimes must be something good, no matter how much cost for how little benefit. When you refuse to look at the cost/benefit you come up with nutty positions, sometimes even positions that make things worse. (How many gun crimes do you avoid vs how many extra suicides? We don't have numbers on either side.)

Even the Obama administration (which didn't care too much about the Constitution in trying to reduce guns) realized that background checks without gun registration is pretty much useless.

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https://thehill.com/opinion/op-ed/288877-a-universally-bad-idea

Unless you have registration of all guns it will leak like a sieve. It's just one of these cases where the masses don't understand the complexity of the issue.



(And there's also the little detail I ran into that it will cost lives--because suicidal people can't have someone take custody of their guns.)

Sure. Start with universal background checks, move on to registration of all guns. With annual audits.

Which is why the gun rights people see it as a camel's nose.

Gun registration has too often been used as a prelude to confiscation or even genocide.

- - - Updated - - -

https://thehill.com/opinion/op-ed/288877-a-universally-bad-idea

Unless you have registration of all guns it will leak like a sieve. It's just one of these cases where the masses don't understand the complexity of the issue.



(And there's also the little detail I ran into that it will cost lives--because suicidal people can't have someone take custody of their guns.)

Sure. Start with universal background checks, move on to registration of all guns. With annual audits.

Nononononono.

You can't start with one initiative, then add more, until you get to the situation you were trying to achieve.

You must first try one thing, and if it is not 100% effective at achieving 100% of your goals, then you MUST discard it and give up.

Are you a Republican? Because that's how they work--reach an agreement and then use that as the starting point for negotiating.

The background check people usually don't admit they want universal registration. Their position is false.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I think that Universal should do background checks. Make sure their employees don't have criminal records.