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http://bigstory.ap.org/article/7f7f...p-source-cuba-releases-us-prisoner-alan-gross

The United States and Cuba will start talks on normalizing full diplomatic relations, marking the most significant shift in U.S. policy toward the communist island in decades, American officials said Wednesday. The announcement comes amid a series of new confidence-building measures between the longtime foes, including the release of American Alan Gross and the freeing of three Cubans jailed in the U.S.

President Barack Obama was to announce the policy changes from the White House at noon Wednesday.
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Long overdue.

oh yeah . . . OBAMA!!! :angryfist:
 
ksen said:
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/7f7f...p-source-cuba-releases-us-prisoner-alan-gross

The United States and Cuba will start talks on normalizing full diplomatic relations, marking the most significant shift in U.S. policy toward the communist island in decades, American officials said Wednesday. The announcement comes amid a series of new confidence-building measures between the longtime foes, including the release of American Alan Gross and the freeing of three Cubans jailed in the U.S.

President Barack Obama was to announce the policy changes from the White House at noon Wednesday.
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Long overdue.

oh yeah . . . OBAMA!!! :angryfist:
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Who needs Cuba to hate when there is Russia?
 
Let me run it through the CNN to Tea Party translator:

Washington (CNN) -- The Kenyan Usurper President Barack Obama on Wednesday dictated to the the unfree Americans a plot to arrange subservient relations with Communist and Terrorist Promoting Cuba and remove 50 years of legitimate and successful economic restrictions on the prison nation, an unconstitutional act overreaching his powers as liar-in-chief.

Barry Obama ordered Swiftboater of State John "Ho Chi Min" Kerry to immediately begin supplication with Communist and Terrorist Promoting Cuba to re-establish "diplomatic relations", and that the U.S. will re-open an embassy in Havana effectively turning over the US to the Feidel Jr. Emperor Obama will also allow a trickling of travel and illegal trade that had been banned under a decades-long embargo instated during the Kennedy administration.
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My bosses were all but dancing in the aisles.

They just know Cuba will turn into another tourist paradise with casinos, clubs, resorts and port of call for cruise ships.

Like it used to be. The Mafia and some people in Cuba are poised to make a fortune.

INVESTpeople!!
 
credoconsolans said:
My bosses were all but dancing in the aisles.

They just know Cuba will turn into another tourist paradise with casinos, clubs, resorts and port of call for cruise ships.

Like it used to be. The Mafia and some people in Cuba are poised to make a fortune.

INVESTpeople!!
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Canadians and Europeans had the place to themselves quite long enough. :)
 
Makes sense, Castro is gone, maybe his replacement won't be determined to keep us as a scapegoat.
 
Finally, over two decades since international communism collapsed in upon itself, we've decided to stop fighting an impoverished island nation that hasn't posed a serious threat to our national security since back when MTV still played music videos.
 
It will be interesting to see if Rubio's stand against this blows up in his face. The Cuban-American community is alot younger now. The Chamber of Commerce is standing with Obama. What is Rubio's argument? Obama is supporting a dictator? Well, Castro may not be so dictatorial. Who stands with Rubio on this? Exceedingly old white Floridians?
 
It'll take congress to lift the travel ban. Good luck with that considering the number of right wing assholes there.
 
bleubird said:
Finally, someone to show us how to do health care!
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What an absurd argument. Implementing socialized medicine will cause any nation to become just like Cuba, complete with reeducation camps. Didn't you get the memo that communism failed?*

* Note: the above is a parody of the kinds of arguments made by conservatives and libertarians, who are completely different but just happen to take the exact same stances on most issues using the exact same arguments.
 
bleubird said:
Finally, someone to show us how to do health care!
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Boy are you correct! The overwhelmingly best care in Cuba is sold through in the international market without the need for health insurance, bought in hard currency by tourists. Sounds like a capitalism? Oh...well...nothing to see here. ;) (The masses use the "socialized" 'insured' system, the leftovers to the masses).
 
maxparrish said:
bleubird said:
Finally, someone to show us how to do health care!
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Boy are you correct! The overwhelmingly best care in Cuba is sold through in the international market without the need for health insurance, bought in hard currency by tourists. Sounds like a capitalism? Oh...well...nothing to see here. ;) (The masses use the "socialized" 'insured' system, the leftovers to the masses).
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Do they have the best health care? Of course not.

However, they have a population with better health, longer average lifespans, and they pay far less money to get that.

Ever wonder how a country as poor as Cuba can manage to put together a health care system that produces better results than our much more expensive health care system?
 
Ford said:
Finally, over two decades since international communism collapsed in upon itself, we've decided to stop fighting an impoverished island nation that hasn't posed a serious threat to our national security since back when MTV still played music videos.
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Actually this is one of those rare occasions that I was inclined to support Obama's change in policy, that is until he and his policy supporters (right and left) started emoting their laundry list of reasons to support a non-reformist communist regime. On the left we have the tear gushing and burbbling about how much this will free the Cuban people from the cruelty of the American embargo, and on the right we have to suffer the Pavlovian salvia dripping profit enthusiasms of Chamber capitalists waxing on about the huge amount of money their Miami members will make in this "huge" new market.

There probably is a reason to support the normalization of relations with Cuba, but its difficult to find it in the bogus economic and sentimental propaganda.

First, about this "market". Cuba is a nothing sized economy that is meaningless to US economic growth. Even Ecuador has a larger GDP than Cuba. For decades they already had access to import/export in the world markets and have obtained heavily subsidized energy from the Soviet Union then Venezuela. Ending of a US embargo (in and of itself) will not enrich other than a handful of Castro cronies, Communist party bribe takers, and perhaps a few US tampon exporters and US travel agents. Without substantial Cuban economic reform (which has yet to be promised or delivered) this is much ado about an economic nothing.

Second, normalization won't change anything other than providing a prop for the Castro dictatorships. Obama's whining about it being "the right thing to do" and (another supporter's) worrisome emotive pain about about how the prior policy "isolated the US, not Cuba" are little more than intellectually (and morally) empty platitudes.

Third, "the right thing to do" is to use Cuba's nearly unprecedented difficulties to demand substantive human rights and economic changes in Cuba in return for "normalization" - Obama, as usual, being a indifferent negotiator gave much for little in return. Not surprised.

In other words, who SHOULD REALLY care about normalization?
 
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