Vaccines, Vaccinations Discussions

[bilby]

He's just trying to get people to look at me with disgust. That's his goal.

YOU are doing a FAR better job than he is of making people look at you with disgust.

Lobbying for policies that directly lead to the suffering and death of children is a pretty effective way to get people to look at you with disgust.

Your beliefs are disgusting. If the cap fits...

 

[peacegirl]

Vaccines are still available for those who want them.

Vaccines are a community level protection.

How would you feel about optional DUI guidelines - you drive at less than 0.08 BAC if you want, but don't impose on other people's freedom of choice.

While we are at it, we can have speed limits that are applicable "for those that want them".

This kind of libertarian horseshit doesn't stand a moment of rational thought. Though it seems that you take the position that you can opt out of rationality too.

There is a difference between a person being hurt by a drunk driver and getting hurt by someone who didn't get their vaccine. There is no harm to the driver in not drinking and driving, but there could be harm to the person who gets a certain vaccine if he is one of the unfortunates. Again, I am not telling people to avoid vaccination, but it is not as clear-cut as you think, bilby.

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[peacegirl]

The unvaccinated can't hurt your vaccinated child,

That is incorrect.

And you have no excuse for not knowing that it is incorrect.

How can an unvaccinated child hurt your child who has been fully vaccinated and therefore protected? Wouldn't that indicate the vaccines weren't doing their job?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

He knows it's not logically inconsistent when all politics will be coming to an end in the new world. We will have transcended this period of history.

wut

 

[pood]

He knows it's not logically inconsistent when all politics will be coming to an end in the new world. We will have transcended this period of history.

wut

You apparently have not read her other thread .

Spare yourself the bother.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

The unvaccinated can't hurt your vaccinated child,

That is incorrect.

And you have no excuse for not knowing that it is incorrect.

How can an unvaccinated child hurt your child who has been fully vaccinated and therefore protected? Wouldn't that indicate the vaccines weren't doing their job?

First, unvaccinated people can infect babies not vaccinated yet; possibly pregnant, elderly and other immune-compromised people. Second, having more of the pathogen present in the world increases chances of mutation so that it may become resistant to methods of killing it off.

 

[peacegirl]

I don't trust that anyone or any group could have all the answers. That's why I try to use my own intuition after listening to all sides, which has never failed me when making big decisions.

Never failed you??? No, you simply conclude you're right.

Look at the measles death rate. Your own sources have given it to you, but you don't believe it because that would mean you position is wrong.

There are different stats on how many children have died from measles in a first-world country. Some say 1 in 1,000, others say 1 in 10,000.

No. The stats from the time soon before the vaccine was introduced was 1 in 1,000. Nobody's presented anything else. In the far past it was 1 in 10,000--which only makes sense if 9 of the 10 victims would have died from something else before there were any vaccines. Doesn't mean they didn't die, though--pre-vaccine mortality to preventable diseases was well above 1 in 1,000. There is absolutely no reason to think we wouldn't go back to that state without the vaccines.

Isn't it possible that we have evolved to fight certain diseases due to stronger immune systems and better health in general, that, at an earlier time, would not have been enough to ward off these diseases off? Just a thought. This is AI generated but it gives us a clue why people died in 1348 in London. I don’t think vaccines would have saved them in conditions like this.

 

[peacegirl]

He knows it's not logically inconsistent when all politics will be coming to an end in the new world. We will have transcended this period of history.

wut

You apparently have not read her other thread .

Spare yourself the bother.

Poor guy.

 

[bilby]

The unvaccinated can't hurt your vaccinated child,

That is incorrect.

And you have no excuse for not knowing that it is incorrect.

How can an unvaccinated child hurt your child who has been fully vaccinated and therefore protected? Wouldn't that indicate the vaccines weren't doing their job perfect?

FTFY.

Newsflash - NOTHING is perfect. We work within reality.

Well, most of us do.

 

[pood]

Just a thought.

Not.

 

[pood]

Viruses co-evolve with humans in an evolutionary arms race. That’s why vaccines must be updated.

 

[bilby]

Isn't it possible that we have evolved to fight certain diseases due to stronger immune systems and better health in general, that, at an earlier time, would not have been enough to ward these diseases off? Just a thought.

That's barely a thought; I feel you are being too generous to yourself when describing it as such.

The answer is no; The reasons are, like everything in biology, complex; But as a first pass explanation, bacteria and viruses have FAR shorter generations than humans, so the evolutionary advantage lies with the pathogens. As we can see with COVID, there have been hundreds of variants identified over the course of just seven years, and each variant requires many generations of viruses before it can arise and be selected for (ie, to evolve) - how many generations of your family can you manage to raise (and either survive or succumb to Covid) in seven years?

 

[peacegirl]

The unvaccinated can't hurt your vaccinated child,

That is incorrect.

And you have no excuse for not knowing that it is incorrect.

How can an unvaccinated child hurt your child who has been fully vaccinated and therefore protected? Wouldn't that indicate the vaccines weren't doing their job perfect?

FTFY.

Newsflash - NOTHING is perfect. We work within reality.

Well, most of us do.

I agree, but it is still difficult for some to allow so many ingredients or combination of ingredients being pumped into their children over the course of 18 years. To these individuals, it feels counter-intuitive, which isn’t proof of anything other than trusting their God-given (i.e., their common sense) intuition.

 

[pood]

An evolutionary arms race

Too bad peacegirl knows nothing.

 

[peacegirl]

Isn't it possible that we have evolved to fight certain diseases due to stronger immune systems and better health in general, that, at an earlier time, would not have been enough to ward these diseases off? Just a thought.

That's barely a thought; I feel you are being too generous to yourself when describing it as such.

The answer is no; The reasons are, like everything in biology, complex; But as a first pass explanation, bacteria and viruses have FAR shorter generations than humans, so the evolutionary advantage lies with the pathogens. As we can see with COVID, there have been hundreds of variants identified over the course of just seven years, and each variant requires many generations of viruses before it can arise and be selected for (ie, to evolve) - how many generations of your family can you manage to raise (and either survive or succumb to Covid) in seven years?

Could it be that these variants will not get a foothold as COVID did in 2020? Do you believe in 7 years, they will be selected and be even more aggressive than the pandemic of 2020? I agree that if there was another pandemic of this type, the world would be better prepared because they would know what they’re dealing with.

 

[peacegirl]

An evolutionary arms race

Too bad peacegirl knows nothing.

An evolutionary arms race

I’ll read it. Thanks.

Too bad peacegirl knows nothing.

I am not afraid to admit I don’t know, and there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s better than being a know-it-all! I still wonder if the vaccines themselves are contributing to these mutations. Look what happened with the overuse of antibiotics!

 

[pood]

Note from the above-linked article that some bacteria have a generation time of just t5 minutes (!)

Guess what that means.

 

[pood]

For peacegirl from the CDC, before RFK Jr. gets busy taking it down and rewriting it with his moronic fantasies.

 

[peacegirl]

Note from the above-linked article that some bacteria have a generation time of just t5 minutes (!)

Guess what that means.

What does it mean? That everyone will get sick from that generation of bacteria if exposed? Are we all doomed? It’s true that antibiotics have saved so many, but if used incorrectly they stop working. Could too many vaccines produce unpredictable side-effects when overused? I’m just asking so don’t pounce on me, which is your MO. .

 

[peacegirl]

For peacegirl from the CDC, before RFK Jr. gets busy taking it down and rewriting it with his moronic fantasies.

It makes logical sense to receive protection from a full blown disease, but when will enough be enough? How many more vaccines will be added to the vaccine schedule in the coming years if others are not dropped because the risk is small? Our kids are becoming pin cushions and it brings up serious concerns. What about homeopathy? Is that woo?