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Violent riots underway in Kenosha, WI

I am merely responding to the left-wing obsession with race. It is the Left that wants to treat people differently based on their race.
You are only fooling yourself with that bs.

Treaties should not trump the constitution, specifically the 14th Amendment.
Your opinion is not a legal judgment. Neither one of us had the legal training to make such judgments. I suspect since these laws have not been overturned, that your opinion has no legal merit.

Just because it is current reality does not mean that it wasn't a collosal mistake. For the US, sure, but also for the Indians.
Doesn't it was either.

Just because something is current law does not mean it is a good law or that it should not change. This is a political discussion forum. We discuss changes to laws all the time. But you get all butthurt if somebody suggests these stupid Indian laws should be changed.
I'm not the one making outrageous claims - you are.


No. Law should be race-neutral. If I apply to a university, I should not be discriminated against for my race. Same goes if I should find an eagle feather.
As usual, you do not know what you are talking about. It is not illegal to own an eagle feather - it is against the law to do so without a permit.

Being upset over one group of people getting special rights because of their race is not "bigotry and racism". It's people being pissed about being discriminated against.
No, it is people being racist assholes when they use racist and bigoted rhetoric to make their points.
 
It is not I who is obsessed here.


But under government policy they are discriminated in favor of.

Whether the alt-right, racists, bigots and their dupes wish to admit it or not, Native Americans have treaty rights because they have been historically viewed and treated as sovereign nations. No amount of outrage, posturing or downright ignorance changes that reality.
This tribal sovereignty nonsense is the biggest mistake US jurisprudence ever made. They can cherry-pick when to be considered part of US or not based on what gives them benefits - part of US when it comes to having state or federal government build infrastructure or pay largess but not part of the US when it comes to paying taxes or following laws. If they want sovereignty they should seek independence and pay their own way. If they want to be part of the US, then they should be treated as any other American, no better, no worse.

They were treated as sovereign nations because at the time, 'to the victors belongs the spoils' was an accepted practice. The US defeated those other nations, so the US took whatever it wanted from them.

Also, they were considered people of other nations because the virulent racism in American society rejected the possibility of Native Americans becoming full citizens and the equals of Whites. And because as sovereign nations, all they could do about thieves, poachers, and squatters on their land was to petition the U.S. government, which chose to do nothing about its citizens stealing, poaching, and squatting on Native American land.

White Americans at the time saw that arrangement as satisfactory, even beneficial. But of course nowadays Whites think they should be the only beneficiaries of every arrangement ever, hence the current whinging when Native Americans get to fish in a stream if Whites can't.
 
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"Non-violent BLM activists"? LMAO! They've been violent ever since they torched Ferguson in one of their signature "peaceful protests" because Michael "Gentle Giant" Brown got shot by police after he spread the word of Jesus Christ robbed a convenience store.

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And there's dispute whether that guy was acting in self defense when he shot the right wing guy. The threat level depicted in this video is certainly close to if not beyond the point where you can use lethal force in self defense. (A mob armed with clubs and a willingness to use them.) Whether you would get your day in court if you pull the trigger is another matter.
 
"Non-violent BLM activists"? LMAO! They've been violent ever since they torched Ferguson in one of their signature "peaceful protests" because Michael "Gentle Giant" Brown got shot by police after he spread the word of Jesus Christ robbed a convenience store.

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Didn't you look at his video? The only violence was from the right wing, the cameraman appears to have been part of the right wing group so it's unlikely this is biased video.
 
Roger Stone said on Alex Jone's show the other day that he was working with the Proud Boys and the Boogaloos, and other white supremacists to "watch" the poles and other places this November. I'm sure it'll all work out just fine. Like the Brooks Brothers riot - without the class.
 
The Kenosha riots give us a view of who BLM/Antifa are. What are the odds of shooting three felons in a row? What percentage of the BLM/Antifa crowds are felons? Probably a lot.
 
Didn't you look at his video? The only violence was from the right wing, the cameraman appears to have been part of the right wing group so it's unlikely this is biased video.

It's a video that is less than a minute long. We do not know what happened before. But we do know that contrary to left-wing propaganda, #BLM and Antifa activists are anything but peaceful in general.
#BLMers have been engaging in politically motivated violence since Ferguson in 2014 for fuck's sake!

In Portland, they tried to set fire to a police station recently.
BLM protesters set Portland police station on fire as riot intensifies

And Marquise Love viciously beat up a white man during the #BLM "protests" in Portland last month.
Marquise ‘Keese’ Love Accused of Kicking Portland Man in Head at Protest

The proud boys etc. are not peceful either of course, but let's not pretend that #BLMers and Antifas are peaceful. Pox on both their houses!
 
More of the same video above, including footage of the cops actually catching the right wing assaulters in the act then just letting them go.

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Didn't you look at his video? The only violence was from the right wing, the cameraman appears to have been part of the right wing group so it's unlikely this is biased video.

It's a video that is less than a minute long. We do not know what happened before. But we do know that contrary to left-wing propaganda, #BLM and Antifa activists are anything but peaceful in general.
#BLMers have been engaging in politically motivated violence since Ferguson in 2014 for fuck's sake!

In Portland, they tried to set fire to a police station recently.
BLM protesters set Portland police station on fire as riot intensifies

And Marquise Love viciously beat up a white man during the #BLM "protests" in Portland last month.
Marquise ‘Keese’ Love Accused of Kicking Portland Man in Head at Protest

The proud boys etc. are not peceful either of course, but let's not pretend that #BLMers and Antifas are peaceful. Pox on both their houses!

You keep listening to right-wing news that seriously misrepresents the situation. We have a large number of examples of violence from the right wing, sometimes pretending to be antifa. We have very little actual evidence of left wing violence.
 
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And there's dispute whether that guy was acting in self defense when he shot the right wing guy. The threat level depicted in this video is certainly close to if not beyond the point where you can use lethal force in self defense. (A mob armed with clubs and a willingness to use them.) Whether you would get your day in court if you pull the trigger is another matter.
Of course, if you are armed, then you must be a thug too. These assholes deserve to get smacked down, but the Police in this case want to snuggle.
 
An eye-witness account from Kenosha.

As I attempt to come back to Facebook, I thought I would share my experience with you.

The day of the worst destruction, fires, looting, assaults... all of us in Kenosha were able to watch live -via independent media. The entire start to finish. The worst of it happened on 22nd & 60th, and I live on 38 & 60th, so to tell you I was terrified is a understatement. The majority of Kenosha was watching our two (koerri & CJ) live footage well until 3am... police scanners on... bracing for the worst. It was apparent from the beginning their was no help. No police, no fire trucks no ambulences. None. Structures burned to the ground, people hurt and attacked were loaded into cars and raced to any hospital they could get to, rioters just broke into businesses and took what they wanted. And we all watched it happen. There was nothing we could do.

A sleepless night, we faced the next day with more fear. A massive clean up effort, we helped as many homes and buisnesses as we could, brace for the night, we started to get inundated with messages from individuals and groups ... targeting violence to specific neighborhoods, schools, libraries.. with fires and destruction... lots of messages. Most specifically targeting LOCAL NEIGHBORHOODS... families!!!

Cars and buses were coming in to the city with no plates... caravans of groups. Again, no extra police or national guard.

But the rioters came to Kenosha that night again.

Our PD and any help it had was standing ground at the PD building and courthouse... and many rioters did not know... our PD was trying to keep them from burning these down, not only because it was our infrastructure but because right between those buildings were A LOT of local inmates that were currently there due to Covid closing our jail (HUBER).

Again live, we watched hundreds of rioters throwing Molotov cocktails at these buildings and burning our city garbage trucks and dump trucks to the ground that we were using to protect these buildings.

I was afraid for the small line of policemen there that night.

Everyone was urging me and Jim to take all of my animals and to leave the city... and let my house burn. To run far away from Kenosha. I love my home. Those who know me, know the pride we have taken in buying a (as-is) house and turning it into a home. And my business! Could I let it be destroyed?? Absolutely NOT!

We have dear friends with a popular business just 4 houses away... we spend at least once a week there... they packed up boarded up and closed.. terrified .. it’s on the main road.

All of us were now under now a state of emergency curfew. Get home And off the streets! gas stations ordered to close and turn OFF all gas pumps..
the sirens and alerts on all of our phones coming in non- stop.

so we pulled out every firearm we owned. Loaded them up. And started to get ready... We Were not leaving... Jim’s job told him to stay home and protect his family and home. everyone in the city was getting ready for a war.

Are you starting to feel anxiety reading this?

Getting a grasp of how desperate we all were?

Knowing no law enforcement was helping? And I’m telling you... NO ONE was there.

I have a dear friend Who lives in gurnee. Has a home and a buisness there, and if she called me and Jim and told me her city was under attack, she was Afraid for her LIFE and her store ... I would help her. We would go to gurnee and help her. Armed.

And that’s simply what happened. The residents started to realize this was on us. And we organized. Groups and individuals-On rooftop businesses -in the neighborhoods. I felt a little safer that night knowing we had some help.

So we watched again that night ...live. Beginning to end.

At the lake front... there was a small police presence again, where our courthouse and Pd is.... but the PD was no where else in the city. It was just us left to fend for ourselves, watching live feed again, Listening to the scanners ... lights off, house alarm armed. Curtains drawn -guns ready. As we listened to where the rioters were, which way they were headed. Despite The state of emergency curfew the city was flooded with cars driving around with no plates on, groups of people destroying our city. Not enough police to arrest or stop not ONE SINGLE PERSON.

until the guard came to help... the entire city was left to its own defenses.

Hell... we ran out of plywood to board up!!!

I had the crates ready to throw the animals in and run... guns at every window and door.

Constantly texting neighbors and friends around the city for updates.

When we say, if you don’t live here, you could not possibly know what was going on.. do you now understand?

How afraid the whole city was?

The national guard FINALLY was called out- and did not mess around. The people who terrorized and destroyed Kenosha, were not from Kenosha. Of all the arrests... most were from 44 other city’s. After our IDIOT governor finally asked, we got the help we should have had from DAY ONE. We had FBI and all the surrounding PD’s come to our aid.

If you noticed in my post, I did not ask for you opinion, or advice... just do everyone’s a favor and shut up. Don’t comment or tag me in any stupid shit. I’m done. Wanna not be friends?

You don’t live here... you could not possibly understand what we went thru. People should wait before they jump to conclusions. I just am disgusted beyond words at the judgement that’s happening. DISGUSTED

For those of you with children to protect, a Business you put your heart and soul in... a home you struggled to own and pay for.. you have got to understand what we all went thru. The fear and the instinct to protect what you love, and what you worked so hard for is strong. I hope no one ever has to go thru anything like this.
 
An eye-witness account from Kenosha.

As I attempt to come back to Facebook, I thought I would share my experience with you.

The day of the worst destruction, fires, looting, assaults... all of us in Kenosha were able to watch live -via independent media. The entire start to finish. The worst of it happened on 22nd & 60th, and I live on 38 & 60th, so to tell you I was terrified is a understatement. The majority of Kenosha was watching our two (koerri & CJ) live footage well until 3am... police scanners on... bracing for the worst. It was apparent from the beginning their was no help. No police, no fire trucks no ambulences. None. Structures burned to the ground, people hurt and attacked were loaded into cars and raced to any hospital they could get to, rioters just broke into businesses and took what they wanted. And we all watched it happen. There was nothing we could do.

A sleepless night, we faced the next day with more fear. A massive clean up effort, we helped as many homes and buisnesses as we could, brace for the night, we started to get inundated with messages from individuals and groups ... targeting violence to specific neighborhoods, schools, libraries.. with fires and destruction... lots of messages. Most specifically targeting LOCAL NEIGHBORHOODS... families!!!

Cars and buses were coming in to the city with no plates... caravans of groups. Again, no extra police or national guard.

But the rioters came to Kenosha that night again.

Our PD and any help it had was standing ground at the PD building and courthouse... and many rioters did not know... our PD was trying to keep them from burning these down, not only because it was our infrastructure but because right between those buildings were A LOT of local inmates that were currently there due to Covid closing our jail (HUBER).

Again live, we watched hundreds of rioters throwing Molotov cocktails at these buildings and burning our city garbage trucks and dump trucks to the ground that we were using to protect these buildings.

I was afraid for the small line of policemen there that night.

Everyone was urging me and Jim to take all of my animals and to leave the city... and let my house burn. To run far away from Kenosha. I love my home. Those who know me, know the pride we have taken in buying a (as-is) house and turning it into a home. And my business! Could I let it be destroyed?? Absolutely NOT!

We have dear friends with a popular business just 4 houses away... we spend at least once a week there... they packed up boarded up and closed.. terrified .. it’s on the main road.

All of us were now under now a state of emergency curfew. Get home And off the streets! gas stations ordered to close and turn OFF all gas pumps..
the sirens and alerts on all of our phones coming in non- stop.

so we pulled out every firearm we owned. Loaded them up. And started to get ready... We Were not leaving... Jim’s job told him to stay home and protect his family and home. everyone in the city was getting ready for a war.

Are you starting to feel anxiety reading this?

Getting a grasp of how desperate we all were?

Knowing no law enforcement was helping? And I’m telling you... NO ONE was there.

I have a dear friend Who lives in gurnee. Has a home and a buisness there, and if she called me and Jim and told me her city was under attack, she was Afraid for her LIFE and her store ... I would help her. We would go to gurnee and help her. Armed.

And that’s simply what happened. The residents started to realize this was on us. And we organized. Groups and individuals-On rooftop businesses -in the neighborhoods. I felt a little safer that night knowing we had some help.

So we watched again that night ...live. Beginning to end.

At the lake front... there was a small police presence again, where our courthouse and Pd is.... but the PD was no where else in the city. It was just us left to fend for ourselves, watching live feed again, Listening to the scanners ... lights off, house alarm armed. Curtains drawn -guns ready. As we listened to where the rioters were, which way they were headed. Despite The state of emergency curfew the city was flooded with cars driving around with no plates on, groups of people destroying our city. Not enough police to arrest or stop not ONE SINGLE PERSON.

until the guard came to help... the entire city was left to its own defenses.

Hell... we ran out of plywood to board up!!!

I had the crates ready to throw the animals in and run... guns at every window and door.

Constantly texting neighbors and friends around the city for updates.

When we say, if you don’t live here, you could not possibly know what was going on.. do you now understand?

How afraid the whole city was?

The national guard FINALLY was called out- and did not mess around. The people who terrorized and destroyed Kenosha, were not from Kenosha. Of all the arrests... most were from 44 other city’s. After our IDIOT governor finally asked, we got the help we should have had from DAY ONE. We had FBI and all the surrounding PD’s come to our aid.

If you noticed in my post, I did not ask for you opinion, or advice... just do everyone’s a favor and shut up. Don’t comment or tag me in any stupid shit. I’m done. Wanna not be friends?

You don’t live here... you could not possibly understand what we went thru. People should wait before they jump to conclusions. I just am disgusted beyond words at the judgement that’s happening. DISGUSTED

For those of you with children to protect, a Business you put your heart and soul in... a home you struggled to own and pay for.. you have got to understand what we all went thru. The fear and the instinct to protect what you love, and what you worked so hard for is strong. I hope no one ever has to go thru anything like this.

They were outsiders--but from which side?
 
An eye-witness account from Kenosha.

As I attempt to come back to Facebook, I thought I would share my experience with you.

The day of the worst destruction, fires, looting, assaults... all of us in Kenosha were able to watch live -via independent media. The entire start to finish. The worst of it happened on 22nd & 60th, and I live on 38 & 60th, so to tell you I was terrified is a understatement. The majority of Kenosha was watching our two (koerri & CJ) live footage well until 3am... police scanners on... bracing for the worst. It was apparent from the beginning their was no help. No police, no fire trucks no ambulences. None. Structures burned to the ground, people hurt and attacked were loaded into cars and raced to any hospital they could get to, rioters just broke into businesses and took what they wanted. And we all watched it happen. There was nothing we could do.

A sleepless night, we faced the next day with more fear. A massive clean up effort, we helped as many homes and buisnesses as we could, brace for the night, we started to get inundated with messages from individuals and groups ... targeting violence to specific neighborhoods, schools, libraries.. with fires and destruction... lots of messages. Most specifically targeting LOCAL NEIGHBORHOODS... families!!!

Cars and buses were coming in to the city with no plates... caravans of groups. Again, no extra police or national guard.

But the rioters came to Kenosha that night again.

Our PD and any help it had was standing ground at the PD building and courthouse... and many rioters did not know... our PD was trying to keep them from burning these down, not only because it was our infrastructure but because right between those buildings were A LOT of local inmates that were currently there due to Covid closing our jail (HUBER).

Again live, we watched hundreds of rioters throwing Molotov cocktails at these buildings and burning our city garbage trucks and dump trucks to the ground that we were using to protect these buildings.

I was afraid for the small line of policemen there that night.

Everyone was urging me and Jim to take all of my animals and to leave the city... and let my house burn. To run far away from Kenosha. I love my home. Those who know me, know the pride we have taken in buying a (as-is) house and turning it into a home. And my business! Could I let it be destroyed?? Absolutely NOT!

We have dear friends with a popular business just 4 houses away... we spend at least once a week there... they packed up boarded up and closed.. terrified .. it’s on the main road.

All of us were now under now a state of emergency curfew. Get home And off the streets! gas stations ordered to close and turn OFF all gas pumps..
the sirens and alerts on all of our phones coming in non- stop.

so we pulled out every firearm we owned. Loaded them up. And started to get ready... We Were not leaving... Jim’s job told him to stay home and protect his family and home. everyone in the city was getting ready for a war.

Are you starting to feel anxiety reading this?

Getting a grasp of how desperate we all were?

Knowing no law enforcement was helping? And I’m telling you... NO ONE was there.

I have a dear friend Who lives in gurnee. Has a home and a buisness there, and if she called me and Jim and told me her city was under attack, she was Afraid for her LIFE and her store ... I would help her. We would go to gurnee and help her. Armed.

And that’s simply what happened. The residents started to realize this was on us. And we organized. Groups and individuals-On rooftop businesses -in the neighborhoods. I felt a little safer that night knowing we had some help.

So we watched again that night ...live. Beginning to end.

At the lake front... there was a small police presence again, where our courthouse and Pd is.... but the PD was no where else in the city. It was just us left to fend for ourselves, watching live feed again, Listening to the scanners ... lights off, house alarm armed. Curtains drawn -guns ready. As we listened to where the rioters were, which way they were headed. Despite The state of emergency curfew the city was flooded with cars driving around with no plates on, groups of people destroying our city. Not enough police to arrest or stop not ONE SINGLE PERSON.

until the guard came to help... the entire city was left to its own defenses.

Hell... we ran out of plywood to board up!!!

I had the crates ready to throw the animals in and run... guns at every window and door.

Constantly texting neighbors and friends around the city for updates.

When we say, if you don’t live here, you could not possibly know what was going on.. do you now understand?

How afraid the whole city was?

The national guard FINALLY was called out- and did not mess around. The people who terrorized and destroyed Kenosha, were not from Kenosha. Of all the arrests... most were from 44 other city’s. After our IDIOT governor finally asked, we got the help we should have had from DAY ONE. We had FBI and all the surrounding PD’s come to our aid.

If you noticed in my post, I did not ask for you opinion, or advice... just do everyone’s a favor and shut up. Don’t comment or tag me in any stupid shit. I’m done. Wanna not be friends?

You don’t live here... you could not possibly understand what we went thru. People should wait before they jump to conclusions. I just am disgusted beyond words at the judgement that’s happening. DISGUSTED

For those of you with children to protect, a Business you put your heart and soul in... a home you struggled to own and pay for.. you have got to understand what we all went thru. The fear and the instinct to protect what you love, and what you worked so hard for is strong. I hope no one ever has to go thru anything like this.

They were outsiders--but from which side?

I imagine there would be a lot of fear, stress and uncertainty if you were that close to a riot and/or owned a business that might be burned to the ground. It would be especially stressful if the rioting went on for days with no end in sight. But when she talked about having loaded guns at every window and door and organizing a militia with her neighbors while "everyone in the city was getting ready for a war", that sounded pretty over the top.

It reminds me of the woman who posted a picture of her handgun next to her dinner as she wrote about demonstrators trying to have a rally in front of her neighbor's house, and how the police came and told her she could only shoot people who actually broke in to her house, like she needed that reminder.
 
Jacob Blake admits that he had a knife when he was shot.

'God, I'm coming:' Jacob Blake speaks out about being shot by Kenosha police officer

ABC 7 Chicago said:
Officer Sheskey and Blake ended up in a physical altercation on the ground and Blake walked away from the officers.
"I'm rattled, you know?" Blake said. "I realized I had dropped my knife, had a little pocket knife. So I picked it up after I got off of him because they Tased me and I fell on top of him."
With an open knife in his hand which Blake said fell out of his pocket, he walked around the front of the vehicle toward the driver side.

So much for claims made in this thread that Blake was not armed and that the knife that was found was really in the car and not on his person.

The decision not to charge the police officer was the only legally and morally correct one. But let me ask all y'all who support Jacob Blake - was it really worth rioting and burning down buildings in Kenosha on behalf of this guy?
 
Jacob Blake admits that he had a knife when he was shot.

'God, I'm coming:' Jacob Blake speaks out about being shot by Kenosha police officer

ABC 7 Chicago said:
Officer Sheskey and Blake ended up in a physical altercation on the ground and Blake walked away from the officers.
"I'm rattled, you know?" Blake said. "I realized I had dropped my knife, had a little pocket knife. So I picked it up after I got off of him because they Tased me and I fell on top of him."
With an open knife in his hand which Blake said fell out of his pocket, he walked around the front of the vehicle toward the driver side.

So much for claims made in this thread that Blake was not armed and that the knife that was found was really in the car and not on his person.

The decision not to charge the police officer was the only legally and morally correct one. But let me ask all y'all who support Jacob Blake - was it really worth rioting and burning down buildings in Kenosha on behalf of this guy?

You keep making the same mistake over and over again. You keep interpreting outrage at police misconduct and the use of excessive force as adulation of a person who was needlessly shot, strangled, suffocated, beaten, or brutalized.
 
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