Virginia school board votes to restore Confederate names to two schools

[marc]

I’d want to post this to the school board

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But that's just time, not impact on society.

How about some statues of Einstein?

Very good point, our society doesn't honor the right people.

There is a quote that I really like from a sci-fi novel that is applicable:

"Arkhan Land had a a statue here. He hadn't ever seen it, and he didn't frankly care about being captured for posterity by something as banal as a statue. Fame was when people knew your name from a text or you face from a statue. People could be famous for being beautiful, or humorous, or simply wealthy, and that made fame worthless. Renown was when people owed whole swaths of their way of life to your deeds and discoveries. Arkhan Land cultivated renown."- Echoes of Eternity

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I’d want to post this to the school board

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But that's just time, not impact on society.

How about some statues of Einstein?

Not American. Jonas Salk would work, any number of Americans that walked on the Moon or were the first to poop two feet from another guy while in orbit. Mark Twain, though he'd be aghast of it.

 

[Gospel]

Confederate general's descendant rebukes decision to hono...

The Shenandoah County School Board in Virginia restored the Confederate general names of two schools on Friday.

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It's truly fascinating how some argue that to remember America's past mistakes and triumphs, we must erect statues of those who perpetuated those mistakes. Instead, why not honor those who dismantled the Confederacy with statues and school namesakes? Surely, that would ensure we never forget.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Confederate general's descendant rebukes decision to hono...

The Shenandoah County School Board in Virginia restored the Confederate general names of two schools on Friday.

www.newsweek.com

It's truly fascinating how some argue that to remember America's past mistakes and triumphs, we must erect statues of those who perpetuated those mistakes. Instead, why not honor those who dismantled the Confederacy with statues and school namesakes? Surely, that would ensure we never forget.

I think that when they say "history," they mean "heritage," but it's not purely or always biological heritage as one can see this descendant rejects celebrating his ancestor. It's more a celebration of a mythical time and race of genteel Southern whites with figureheads who were "honorable." Perhaps, the ideology rejects the honor you speak of as a form of supporting alleged Northern aggression.

There was a land of Cavaliers and Cotton Fields called the Old South. Here in this pretty world, Gallantry took its last bow. Here was the last ever to be seen of Knights and their Ladies Fair, of Master and of Slave. Look for it only in books, for it is no more than a dream remembered, a Civilization gone with the wind.

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[Gospel]

To my knowledge, African Americans in Shenandoah County haven't requested schools to be named according to their ancestry, although they do have a significant historical presence in the area. Their is no reason other than majority rules for why schools should be named after some stinking Civil War Confederate generals. Just goes to show that a majority in Shenandoah County are still out of touch & entitled racist pieces of shit.

 

[Gospel]

To be clear, it was their ancestors who made slavery a part of their history. So, to those who try to glorify the men who fought to uphold it: shame on them.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I’d want to post this to the school board

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But that's just time, not impact on society.

How about some statues of Einstein?

Very good point, our society doesn't honor the right people.

There is a quote that I really like from a sci-fi novel that is applicable:

"Arkhan Land had a a statue here. He hadn't ever seen it, and he didn't frankly care about being captured for posterity by something as banal as a statue. Fame was when people knew your name from a text or you face from a statue. People could be famous for being beautiful, or humorous, or simply wealthy, and that made fame worthless. Renown was when people owed whole swaths of their way of life to your deeds and discoveries. Arkhan Land cultivated renown."- Echoes of Eternity

Exactly. Be known for your accomplishments. A statue would mean nothing to me.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

I equate "gone with the wind" with "the asshole smell has blown away."

 

[Arctish]

For anyone who missed this gem:

 

[ZiprHead]

I equate "gone with the wind" with "the asshole smell has blown away."

I should probably watch that movie some day.

 

[BH]

I’d want to post this to the school board

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Hmm. With that beard Worf does look slightly like Robert E. Lee.

 

[BH]

The civil war was over a hundred and fifty years ago. My ancestors fought for the Confederacy and they were wrong in doing so. I'm glad the Confederacy lost and they really were not much different in a lot of ways than the Nazis in Germany 80 years later. Yeah, the Confederacy gave us some cool stuff like a primitive air force of balloons with propellers, the first real combat submarine, and even missiles that might have gone a mile or two through the air but it still sucked. I mean yeah the Germans got a rocket to space in World War Two. Hurrah, I guess. But no one wants Nazi values because they sucked like the Confederacy's values did.

 

[BH]

But I do think people spewing bile and contempt towards the Confederacy are making a mistake. Many white southerners are so keen on protecting the Confederacy and it's reputation because it is perceived an attack on ones ancestors is an attack on them living today. It makes people scared someone is out to get them and by defending the Confederacy with whacko ideas and whack history they are somehow feeling they protect themselves. I know it is irrational but that is what it is.

We all need to sit down and the people who do not want to honor Confederate leaders need to make it clear that they are not attacking the people of the south living today. No one is mad at them. Then calmly explain that Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee are not heroes to a large segment of the population like black people but are actually an affront because of slavery, forced breeding, forced prostitution, forced medical experiments and so forth forced on blacks back then. Having Davis and Lee being honored with statues for any reason would be like erecting a statue of Adolf Hitler in a part of Germany where a third or half the population was Jewish or Roma. If you, the southerner can understand why a Jew in Germany would be offended by a Hitler statue but not be angry with non Jewish Germans born after the war then you should understand why black people and sensitive white people would not want to honor Confederate leaders.

 

[Gospel]

Many white southerners are so keen on protecting the Confederacy and it's reputation because it is perceived an attack on ones ancestors is an attack on them living today.

So they feel the same way I do about those who associate themselves with the Confederacy, except I actually have evidence to support feeling attacked. So fuck them all.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I equate "gone with the wind" with "the asshole smell has blown away."

I should probably watch that movie some day.

It is very good, in an action movie sort of way. The novel is roughly 50,000 pages long, so there are quite a few gaps in time in the film.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

But I do think people spewing bile and contempt towards the Confederacy are making a mistake. Many white southerners are so keen on protecting the Confederacy and it's reputation because it is perceived an attack on ones ancestors is an attack on them living today. It makes people scared someone is out to get them and by defending the Confederacy with whacko ideas and whack history they are somehow feeling they protect themselves. I know it is irrational but that is what it is.

You know, I'd find this more compelling if these statues in the South weren't put up as a result of the the Civil Rights movement.

We all need to sit down and the people who do not want to honor Confederate leaders need to make it clear that they are not attacking the people of the south living today.
No one is mad at them. Then calmly explain that Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee are not heroes to a large segment of the population like black people but are actually an affront because of slavery, forced breeding, forced prostitution, forced medical experiments and so forth forced on blacks back then.

It has been 150+ years and they haven't gotten over losing. Besides, sitting down with tens of millions of grumpy southerners just isn't practical.

I remember listening to an AM Radio program one day, an author talking about the final days of Booth, and they were close to holding him as a hero.

 

[marc]

I equate "gone with the wind" with "the asshole smell has blown away."

I should probably watch that movie some day.

Think there are only two scenes I found interesting. The first is when at a party on the plantation it is announced Georgia is joining the war. All the cheering, and bragging about how a single 'Southern Gentleman' is worth 20 norther rabble. Until Rhett Butler spoils the mood by stating a few facts, to which the other people get offended. Then should just jump to the scene where they are taking care of the wounded after a major battle.... a lot of wounded... a whole lot of wounded.... see where that southern pride as gotten them.

 

[marc]

Oh, and here are those scenes

Spoiler: Before

Spoiler: After

 

[Shadowy Man]

I’d want to post this to the school board

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But that's just time, not impact on society.

How about some statues of Einstein?

I’ve been to the one in DC:

Albert Einstein Memorial - Wikipedia

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