bilby
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Indeed it is. That's why I threw it in as an additional premise, not as a consequence.It is fatuous to think that Japan not attacking Pearl Harbor would have led to the fall of Moscow.
That should have been you cue to re-consider whether what you read was what I intended, then.I don't even understand why you think the two were related.
Perhaps; Though the Germans came so damn close to capturing Moscow that even the tiniest change in their favour could have been decisive. But I am more thinking about what the Japanese planners would have assumed - at the time that the plans to attack the US were being made, a German victory over the USSR was not a bad assumption to make.America was giving Lend-Lease aid to the USSR from October 41, and there's no reason to think it was decisive in the defense of Moscow, as things took time to get delivered and deployed.
Japan and Germany were in two independent wars; They weren't really one World War until Hitler declared war on the US in the immediate aftermath of Pearl Harbor.I've said it before, the Axis lost when Japan chose to invade China instead of waiting and coordinating efforts with Germany to defeat the USSR and British Empire. Both the USSR and the British Empire were intrinsically stronger than their Axis opponents. The only hope the Axis had was to concentrate their forces on them and use what advantages they had to the fullest. Instead, they dissipated their forces on attacking other countries, simultaneously overextending themselves, alienating potential allies, and provoking the United States. It is not far fetched to think that maybe China could have become an Axis power itself, given the anti-communist bent of their leaders, had Germany and Japan had a more coherent and less hypocritical strategy.
Hitler's smart move would have been to declare war on Japan - Citing the Yellow Peril and the temerity of Asians attacking Aryans, or some similar racist shit. That would have been completely consistent with his nutty ideology, and would have kept the two wars separate, to his enormous advantage.
The US would have crushed Japan, but at the cost of an allied defeat in the European theatre.
I agree.The "Asia for Asians" thing was just propaganda. Most of Japan's victims were asians, and the first country they attacked was one of the few independent Asian countries. US sanctions which people say were 'provoking' to Japan were put in place because of Japan's brutal and unprovoked invasion of China. You might as well say that the sanctions imposed on the USSR after their invasion of Afganistan was a 'provocation.'
And yes, making apologetics for Imperial Japan is offensive, just as doing so for Nazi Germany. It's too bad you don't understand that. The points of view presented are so distorted, incomplete and inaccurate that I judge they are a product of deliberate misinformation.
I agree with that too.