"We can see that Trump is lying"

[Keith&Co.]

Measuring if Russia was ''successful"is important because if there was no impact then they can't be held responsible.

You sound like a Patriots fan.
They were caught cheating, but when they played with regulation balls, they scored more in that part of the game than when they cheated, therefore they can't have been cheating.

Cheating is basedon breaking rules, not on the success rate of the cheater.
DID they access networks and accounts they had no business accessing, not how close they came to their goals.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I think the propaganda is more of an issue than hacking.

 

[Elixir]

You sound like a Patriots fan.
They were caught cheating, but when they played with regulation balls, they scored more in that part of the game than when they cheated, therefore they can't have been cheating.

Cheating is based on breaking rules, not on the success rate of the cheater.
DID they access networks and accounts they had no business accessing, not how close they came to their goals.

A true trump chump will never agree to stop chewing on the bone thrown to them by the orange menace. Donny boy wants to say "no effect on the outcome" over and again. as if that had something to do with the issue of Russians trying to influence elections. Don the Con says it, so they repeat it ad nauseum, for no other reason than to distract from the actual issue.
Makes one suspect that there is much, much more to be found (as if Trump publicly endorsing and encouraging such activity didn't already indict him... )

 

[whichphilosophy]

Measuring if Russia was ''successful"is important because if there was no impact then they can't be held responsible.

You sound like a Patriots fan.
They were caught cheating, but when they played with regulation balls, they scored more in that part of the game than when they cheated, therefore they can't have been cheating.

Cheating is basedon breaking rules, not on the success rate of the cheater.
DID they access networks and accounts they had no business accessing, not how close they came to their goals.

No proof was presented to show the Russians influenced the election. There is no evidence either of cheating or attempted cheating; just bleating.

 

[Elixir]

No proof was presented to ME to show the Russians influenced the election.

FIFY
Again.

 

[whichphilosophy]

You sound like a Patriots fan.
They were caught cheating, but when they played with regulation balls, they scored more in that part of the game than when they cheated, therefore they can't have been cheating.

Cheating is based on breaking rules, not on the success rate of the cheater.
DID they access networks and accounts they had no business accessing, not how close they came to their goals.

A true trump chump will never agree to stop chewing on the bone thrown to them by the orange menace. Donny boy wants to say "no effect on the outcome" over and again. as if that had something to do with the issue of Russians trying to influence elections. Don the Con says it, so they repeat it ad nauseum, for no other reason than to distract from the actual issue.
Makes one suspect that there is much, much more to be found (as if Trump publicly endorsing and encouraging such activity didn't already indict him... )

There is no evidence that the Russians influenced the election or attempted to especially as reinforced by the CIA press conferences.

No one else has prsentd a coherent case to show this.

 

[Elixir]

There is no evidence THAT I CAN SEE that the Russians influenced the election ...

FIFY
Again. Some people never learn; they confuse their little myopic world with the universe. Understandable. Stupid as hell, but understandable.

 

[whichphilosophy]

There is no evidence THAT I CAN SEE that the Russians influenced the election ...

FIFY
Again. Some people never learn; they confuse their little myopic world with the universe. Understandable. Stupid as hell, but understandable.

Can you state this in an understandable manner that will stand up in a court which is based on the burden of proof (beyond a shadow of doubt in criminal cases hence aligning with human logic). The CIA didn't give any coherent presentation on this.

 

[Elixir]

FIFY
Again. Some people never learn; they confuse their little myopic world with the universe. Understandable. Stupid as hell, but understandable.

Can you state this in an understandable manner that will stand up in a court.

Sure, pal. Just as soon as I'm in court.
Just carry on with your delusion that what you can see is all there is. You'll be much happier that way.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Can you state this in an understandable manner that will stand up in a court.

Sure, pal. Just as soon as I'm in court.
Just carry on with your delusion that what you can see is all there is. You'll be much happier that way.

Our laws are based on human reasoning and were developed over a period of several hundred years.
I have no delusion since I have no preconceived picture. Can you present me with a clear picture by way of proof an orange orangutan was assisted by Putin in winning the election.

 

[Elixir]

Sure, pal. Just as soon as I'm in court.
Just carry on with your delusion that what you can see is all there is. You'll be much happier that way.

Our laws are based on human reasoning and were developed over a period of several hundred years.
I have no delusion since I have no preconceived picture. Can you present me with a clear picture by way of proof an orange orangutan was assisted by Putin in winning the election.

Can you teach a parakeet calculus?

 

[crispy]

Sure, pal. Just as soon as I'm in court.
Just carry on with your delusion that what you can see is all there is. You'll be much happier that way.

Our laws are based on human reasoning and were developed over a period of several hundred years.
I have no delusion since I have no preconceived picture. Can you present me with a clear picture by way of proof an orange orangutan was assisted by Putin in winning the election.

Why is it so hard to believe that Putin ordered this espionage and tried to influence the election? The US does it all the time, the Russians do it all the time, so why not also this one?

 

[Elixir]

Our laws are based on human reasoning and were developed over a period of several hundred years.
I have no delusion since I have no preconceived picture. Can you present me with a clear picture by way of proof an orange orangutan was assisted by Putin in winning the election.

Why is it so hard to believe that Putin ordered this espionage and tried to influence the election? The US does it all the time, the Russians do it all the time, so why not also this one?

Maybe you can teach a parakeet calculus... good luck!

 

[Malintent]

As much as I would like to be able to say that some very smart Russians are the cause of a Trump win, the fact of the matter is most likely that some extremely stupid Americans are the cause of a Trump win.

 

[Elixir]

As much as I would like to be able to say that some very smart Russians are the cause of a Trump win, the fact of the matter is most likely that some extremely stupid Americans are the cause of a Trump win.

A rise of 0.25 points in the average IQ would probably have done it - oh,wait... the average IQ would still be 100.
If you want to point at a single demon, try James Comey. But after all is said and done, it was those extremely stupid Americans.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Our laws are based on human reasoning and were developed over a period of several hundred years.
I have no delusion since I have no preconceived picture. Can you present me with a clear picture by way of proof an orange orangutan was assisted by Putin in winning the election.

Can you teach a parakeet calculus?

Is that a new legal test for the burden of proof because it's not about teaching but about evidence. No one can conclusively demonstrate the mechanics of how Putin tried to or did influence the election.

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As much as I would like to be able to say that some very smart Russians are the cause of a Trump win, the fact of the matter is most likely that some extremely stupid Americans are the cause of a Trump win.

I would think that any Russian-Americans who voted for him would have helped him to win.

 

[whichphilosophy]

This is interesting at 4.13 re the alleged hacking and beyond.
[YOUTUBE]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvj0v0W6yjk

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[/YOUTUBE]

 

[ZiprHead]

As much as I would like to be able to say that some very smart Russians are the cause of a Trump win, the fact of the matter is most likely that some extremely stupid Americans are the cause of a Trump win.

A rise of 0.25 points in the average IQ would probably have done it - oh,wait... the average IQ would still be 100.
If you want to point at a single demon, try James Comey. But after all is said and done, it was those extremely stupid Americans.

I agree with your point about Comey. Someone here posted a link to polls after his announcement a week before the election that showed Clinton's numbers falling steadily afterwards.

That doesn't mean I don't think the Russian hacks had no effect, I think they did. Almost daily I see Bernie supporters who think the DNC and the Clinton campaign stole the nomination from Bernie through nefarious methods (no, they didn't) and would therefore not vote for Clinton.

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This is interesting at 4.13 re the alleged hacking and beyond.
[YOUTUBE]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvj0v0W6yjk

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[/YOUTUBE]

Ya, because he would know.

 

[whichphilosophy]

A rise of 0.25 points in the average IQ would probably have done it - oh,wait... the average IQ would still be 100.
If you want to point at a single demon, try James Comey. But after all is said and done, it was those extremely stupid Americans.

I agree with your point about Comey. Someone here posted a link to polls after his announcement a week before the election that showed Clinton's numbers falling steadily afterwards.

That doesn't mean I don't think the Russian hacks had no effect, I think they did. Almost daily I see Bernie supporters who think the DNC and the Clinton campaign stole the nomination from Bernie through nefarious methods (no, they didn't) and would therefore not vote for Clinton.

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This is interesting at 4.13 re the alleged hacking and beyond.
[YOUTUBE]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvj0v0W6yjk

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[/YOUTUBE]

Ya, because he would know.

If the Russian hack did have an effect or could have, how do you quantify the impact of the reaction other than faith in the Lord.

 

[Elixir]

I agree with your point about Comey. Someone here posted a link to polls after his announcement a week before the election that showed Clinton's numbers falling steadily afterwards.

That doesn't mean I don't think the Russian hacks had no effect, I think they did. Almost daily I see Bernie supporters who think the DNC and the Clinton campaign stole the nomination from Bernie through nefarious methods (no, they didn't) and would therefore not vote for Clinton.

- - - Updated - - -

This is interesting at 4.13 re the alleged hacking and beyond.
[YOUTUBE]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvj0v0W6yjk

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[/YOUTUBE]

Ya, because he would know.

If the Russian hack did have an effect or could have, how do you quantify the impact of the reaction other than faith in the Lord.

Appeal to Xenu? Yah, that's the ticket...