We Need More Kids

[thebeave]

Geez, the women you all are ridiculing sound a lot like my mom! A devout Christian woman, got her Mrs degree at San Jose State, had 4 kids, was a lifelong housewife (with occasional part time home teaching and substitute teaching jobs), was in the PTA, a cub scout Den Mother and totally dependent on my dad. Loved to be in the kitchen (not barefoot though!) cooking for her family and taking care of babies, children, cats and the house. Or working in the garden. She enjoyed her lifestyle. One of the kindest people you'd ever meet. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

 

[bilby]

And if they tell you they’re sanctioning you, you don’t know whether they mean helping or hurting you. Love contronyms.

Contronym (n.):​

2. A word that has only a single meaning.

 

[TomC]

And if they tell you they’re sanctioning you, you don’t know whether they mean helping or hurting you. Love contronyms.

Contronym (n.):​

2. A word that has only a single meaning.

This is why nobody likes you.
Tom

 

[southernhybrid]

Geez, the women you all are ridiculing sound a lot like my mom! A devout Christian woman, got her Mrs degree at San Jose State, had 4 kids, was a lifelong housewife (with occasional part time home teaching and substitute teaching jobs), was in the PTA, a cub scout Den Mother and totally dependent on my dad. Loved to be in the kitchen (not barefoot though!) cooking for her family and taking care of babies, children, cats and the house. Or working in the garden. She enjoyed her lifestyle. One of the kindest people you'd ever meet. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

I don't think these women are like your mom. These women are saying that all women should stay home and have lots of kids. I do know some stay at home moms who aren't Christians and who for one reason or another made that choice. Plus, in past decades, it wasn't that hard to manage a household on one income, but it's not as easy these days unless the bread winner makes a lot of money. My daughter in law is a stay at home mom, but they only have two kids. To be honest, I wish she would at least get a part time job as my son had told me it's tough being the sole supporter of the family.

Working was very important to me and to most of my friends. Sometimes I worked part time so I could do more cleaning, and cooking, plus nursing is an extremely stressful job and working part time made it more enjoyable. Plus, if most women don't work, who is going to do the female dominated professions like nursing, teaching, and caring for children? A lot of doctors are females these days as well. Times have changed. We can't go back to the days when most women stayed at home and raised lots of kids. Male nurses and elementary school teachers are rare. When I did volunteer work in an elementary school, not one teacher was male. If you read the entire article I linked, you would get a better picture of what this movement is about.

 

[lostone]

Geez, the women you all are ridiculing sound a lot like my mom! A devout Christian woman, got her Mrs degree at San Jose State, had 4 kids, was a lifelong housewife (with occasional part time home teaching and substitute teaching jobs), was in the PTA, a cub scout Den Mother and totally dependent on my dad. Loved to be in the kitchen (not barefoot though!) cooking for her family and taking care of babies, children, cats and the house. Or working in the garden. She enjoyed her lifestyle. One of the kindest people you'd ever meet. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

So it worked for her. That's nice, but It did not work all that well for a lot of other women. I grew up in the 1950s, and a lot of friend's parents divorced and ended unhappy unions as soon as their nest was empty.

 

[lostone]

Geez, the women you all are ridiculing sound a lot like my mom! A devout Christian woman, got her Mrs degree at San Jose State, had 4 kids, was a lifelong housewife (with occasional part time home teaching and substitute teaching jobs), was in the PTA, a cub scout Den Mother and totally dependent on my dad. Loved to be in the kitchen (not barefoot though!) cooking for her family and taking care of babies, children, cats and the house. Or working in the garden. She enjoyed her lifestyle. One of the kindest people you'd ever meet. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

I don't think these women are like your mom. These women are saying that all women should stay home and have lots of kids. I do know some stay at home moms who aren't Christians and who for one reason or another made that choice. Plus, in past decades, it wasn't that hard to manage a household on one income, but it's not as easy these days unless the bread winner makes a lot of money. My daughter in law is a stay at home mom, but they only have two kids. To be honest, I wish she would at least get a part time job as my son had told me it's tough being the sole supporter of the family.

Working was very important to me and to most of my friends. Sometimes I worked part time so I could do more cleaning, and cooking, plus nursing is an extremely stressful job and working part time made it more enjoyable. Plus, if most women don't work, who is going to do the female dominated professions like nursing, teaching, and caring for children? A lot of doctors are females these days as well. Times have changed. We can't go back to the days when most women stayed at home and raised lots of kids. Male nurses and elementary school teachers are rare. When I did volunteer work in an elementary school, not one teacher was male. If you read the entire article I linked, you would get a better picture of what this movement is about.

My niece's husband (ex-military corpsman) is a male nurse who has spent most of his career in the ER. They are scarce.

Women have been given the option of leaving unhappy marriages, that they did not have many years ago. Let's hope that option remains open to them.

 

[bilby]

Let's hope that option remains open to them.

Well, that's always the catch, isn't it.

These religion-based movements are all well and good, if the participants are all there of their own free will, and without coercion (though it's hard to tell just how free someone's will is after a lifetime of indoctrination).

The real problem is that history shows that it's only a tiny step from "I am happy with these social rules and norms" to "...therefore everyone would be happy with them, and should be forced into them (against their will, if necessary) for their own good"; And to "...therefore anything that makes it even slightly easier to do anything else should be made illegal".

If there are young women who are genuinely fulfilled by their historically inaccurate cosplay of the "traditional housewife", then good for them.

But there must be a choice, and that choice must be reversible.

 

[RVonse]

There is a white elephant in the room, which is to say, the wrong people are having kids. This is not too far away from a bunch of wannabe tough guys parading with Tiki torches and chanting "Jews will not replace us".

Following the movie "Idiocracy" , it was not the wrong race having kids but the stupid unsuccessful people having kids. Demonstrated without any racial component involved, professional couples with advanced degrees preferring fewer children then uneducated couples having less job pressures.

 

[bilby]

There is a white elephant in the room, which is to say, the wrong people are having kids. This is not too far away from a bunch of wannabe tough guys parading with Tiki torches and chanting "Jews will not replace us".

Following the movie "Idiocracy" , it was not the wrong race having kids but the stupid unsuccessful people having kids. Demonstrated without any racial component involved, professional couples with advanced degrees preferring fewer children then uneducated couples having less job pressures.

Only if by "demonstrated" you mean "asserted in a work of fiction".

I can't be bothered debunking this crap again, so please read the short Vice article by Rick Paulas posted in 2016 that details the problems it has: https://www.vice.com/en/article/idiocracy-is-elitist-porn/

By the way, following the movie "Superman", it was demonstrated that an alien from the Planet Krypton could fly, if he visited Earth.

I strongly recommend against getting your 'information' from the movies.

 

[southernhybrid]

Geez, the women you all are ridiculing sound a lot like my mom! A devout Christian woman, got her Mrs degree at San Jose State, had 4 kids, was a lifelong housewife (with occasional part time home teaching and substitute teaching jobs), was in the PTA, a cub scout Den Mother and totally dependent on my dad. Loved to be in the kitchen (not barefoot though!) cooking for her family and taking care of babies, children, cats and the house. Or working in the garden. She enjoyed her lifestyle. One of the kindest people you'd ever meet. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

I don't think these women are like your mom. These women are saying that all women should stay home and have lots of kids. I do know some stay at home moms who aren't Christians and who for one reason or another made that choice. Plus, in past decades, it wasn't that hard to manage a household on one income, but it's not as easy these days unless the bread winner makes a lot of money. My daughter in law is a stay at home mom, but they only have two kids. To be honest, I wish she would at least get a part time job as my son had told me it's tough being the sole supporter of the family.

Working was very important to me and to most of my friends. Sometimes I worked part time so I could do more cleaning, and cooking, plus nursing is an extremely stressful job and working part time made it more enjoyable. Plus, if most women don't work, who is going to do the female dominated professions like nursing, teaching, and caring for children? A lot of doctors are females these days as well. Times have changed. We can't go back to the days when most women stayed at home and raised lots of kids. Male nurses and elementary school teachers are rare. When I did volunteer work in an elementary school, not one teacher was male. If you read the entire article I linked, you would get a better picture of what this movement is about.

My niece's husband (ex-military corpsman) is a male nurse who has spent most of his career in the ER. They are scarce.

Women have been given the option of leaving unhappy marriages, that they did not have many years ago. Let's hope that option remains open to them.

There was a higher than usual number of men in my nursing class, but they all wanted to work in the ER, or OR, areas that have little direct patient contact and no long term relationships with their patients. I mostly did home health and long term care, but I did spend some years working in quality assurance and supervision. My relationships with my patients were long term ones, some for many years. I think female nurses are usually more attracted or willing to that type of work, and there is a very high demand for that type of work as well.

No fault divorce is something that happened in the last 40 years or so I do hope we don't go back to the days when divorce was close to impossible. All of this reminds me of a Harris t-shirt I wore that said, "We're not going back". Since she lost the election, it does look like we may be going back thanks to the Christian Nationalist Movement and Project 2025.

 

[RVonse]

I see both sides of the argument. One the one hand the current resources of the earth can not sustain current population. But on the other hand, the current negative trend of the western more developed countries might also not be sustainable if couples become more and more infertile.

Its not too early to become paranoid about falling testosterone levels and couples who marriage much later in life for financial reasons. These are real issues that should be studied and remedied if possible. But it is probably premature being paranoid about a falling population of +5 billion people. As long as humans don't become completely infertile fertile couples can always increase population if we encounter some other kind of disaster.

 

[RVonse]

I strongly recommend against getting your 'information' from the movies.

The same logic of this movie is the same logic that is heard frequently. And it is nothing more than common sense.

 

[bilby]

One the one hand the current resources of the earth can not sustain current population.

The current resources of the Earth ARE sustaining the current population. If and when that ceases to be the case, it will be immediately apparent because total world population will fall sharply. Something it shows no sign of doing.

 

[bilby]

I strongly recommend against getting your 'information' from the movies.

The same logic of this movie is the same logic that is heard frequently. And it is nothing more than common sense.

I strongly recommend against getting your 'information' from "common sense", which is just a self congratulatory way of saying "a hunch I have, that I don't feel like testing for accuracy or truth".

According to "common sense", nature abhors a vacuum, an object in motion will remain in motion only if supplied with an external force, and lead can be transmuted into gold by chemical processing.

 

[Patooka]

I strongly recommend against getting your 'information' from the movies.

The same logic of this movie is the same logic that is heard frequently. And it is nothing more than common sense.

It's the same "common sense" that white nationalists have used for decades. "Uneducated" and "poor" means "non whites" to "those people".

But considering you watch Al Barry, you already know that, seeing "both sides" and all.

 

[RVonse]

I strongly recommend against getting your 'information' from the movies.

The same logic of this movie is the same logic that is heard frequently. And it is nothing more than common sense.

I strongly recommend against getting your 'information' from "common sense", which is just a self congratulatory way of saying "a hunch I have, that I don't feel like testing for accuracy or truth".

According to "common sense", nature abhors a vacuum, an object in motion will remain in motion only if supplied with an external force, and lead can be transmuted into gold by chemical processing.

One only has to read the speeches of our leaders to get a good idea of how humanity has been progressing with average intelligence. The current POTUS talks like a 4th grader and was elected because that is the current vocabulary of the US now.

And after reading some of the documents of our history from Washington, Jefferson, or Lincoln.....I'm firmly in the camp that the human race has become less intelligent over time. Despite what your article might suggest.

I'm just observing the reality I live in and nothing more.

 

[bilby]

And after reading some of the documents of our history from Washington, Jefferson, or Lincoln.....I'm firmly in the camp that the human race has become less intelligent over time. Despite what your article might suggest.

Well, you are simply wrong in your belief. Your "evidence" says little about the human race, unless you can demonstrate that US Presidents are a representative sample thereof (good luck with that); And any examination of a reasonable sample over a resonable time will show you that your conclusion is the reverse of the truth.

I'm just observing the reality I live in and nothing more.

No, you aren't. You are just observing the bits of reality that you like, and ignoring the rest.

 

[RVonse]

One the one hand the current resources of the earth can not sustain current population.

The current resources of the Earth ARE sustaining the current population.

If that were true, there would be no push for alternative renewable energy. We would not hear all the stories of earth's eco system in serious decline either. Or claims of rapid extinction of other species of the animal kingdom.

Even pro-population Musk will tell you current fossil fuel technology is not good enough for the earth to sustain current human population.

 

[Patooka]

One only has to read the speeches of our leaders to get a good idea of how humanity has been progressing with average intelligence.

When the fuck are you going to start?

 

[bilby]

If that were true, there would be no push for alternative renewable energy.

How do you reach that conclusion?? People push for birth control to be banned. That doesn't imply that God really will punish humanity for their sin if they don't ban it.

Evidence that lots of people believe A, is not evidence that A is true. For any value of A.

We would not hear all the stories of earth's eco system in serious decline either. Or claims of rapid extinction of other species of the animal kingdom.

Are you of the opinion that if we hear stories of something, that thing must really be happening?

Using the same reasoning, we must conclude that Kryptonite is a genuine hazard to Superman.

Even pro-population Musk will tell you current fossil fuel technology is not good enough for the earth to sustain current human population.

If Musk told me it was raining, I wouldn't believe him until I had a chance to look outside.