Wesley Cook death pool

[Derec]

I've never even heard of this guy.
If he really did murder a cop I'm fine with him staying in prison for a long time. Although murdering a cop and being convicted of murdering a cop aren't necessarily the same thing.
Also, I'm no fan of capital punishment. Sounds like a waste of taxpayer dollars in this case.

I doubt you really never heard of him. And he is definitely guilty. He has been all the rage of the Far Left activism. Not only in the US, but for example European Far Left loves him as well.
And Colin the Woke demanded he be released a few months ago too.

Wesley who?

Feigning ignorance again?

 

[Derec]

Then I looked it up. Leave it to Derec to be petty and not call him Mumia Abu-Jamal.

Why should I humor him?

And of course Derec made a post about a black person he doesn't like

I guess that Rush thread was started because OP doesn't like white people.

...but that's kinda redundant, isn't it?

It is not. I dislike murderers, especially those who enjoy a great deal of support.

 

[Derec]

Ah, OK, I have seen Derec reference Mumia Abu-Jamal quite often.

"Quite often" is a gross exaggeration. I mentioned him a few times over the years.

I have literally never heard than name spoken in any other context, yet he is supposed to somehow be a figure of Rush Limbaugh like importance to the left wing.

He does have a great deal of importance on the Left Wing.

Hey Derec, when does Mumia Abu-Jamal's AM radio show come on, and how many listeners does he have?

Being in prison, he doesn't have his own show, but he does appear on left wing shows occasionally. For example Amy Goodman's "Democracy Now".
He also gave the commencement addresses at Evergreen State College and at Goddard College.

 

[Derec]

The name change was legally obtained, not just an anti-social affectation on Abu-Jamal's part.

Even if the name change was legal, it is still a self-aggrandizing name - it supposedly means "Prince".

Whatever your position on the activism, one should at least respect the legal system, especially if one spends a lot of time online pretending to care about legalities.
This would be like referring to white women by their married name, but not acknowledging a black woman's marriage-based legal name change.

It is not like that at all. First, it's not about his race, but about him being 1) a murderer and 2) a racist and anti-American piece of shit.

Also the analogy with the married name breaks down because he chose his name himself to push a narrative.

 

[Derec]

I'm completely perplexed as to why Derec is silent about this. Fuckit, ! guess we'll never know.

He doesn't have 1000s of supporters writing about him since the 80s and he also never got a street in France named after him, so he flew under my radar I guess.

But I am completely perplexed (NOT!!!) why you chose a relatively rare example of a white cop-killer on parole and not somebody like Anthony Bottom, Herman Bell, Johnny Veal or Joseph Hurst, among many others.

 

[Patooka]

I'm completely perplexed as to why Derec is silent about this. Fuckit, ! guess we'll never know.

He doesn't have 1000s of supporters writing about him since the 80s and he also never got a street in France named after him, so he flew under my radar I guess.

But I am completely perplexed (NOT!!!) why you chose the example of a relatively rare example of a white cop-killer on parole and not somebody like Anthony Bottom, Herman Bell, Johnny Veal or Joseph Hurst, among many others.

I'm shocked, absolutely shocked you can name certain cop killers right off the bat. You might want to add to your collection David Ware and Steven Carrillo, as they killed cops last year and not fourty fucking years ago.

Also, and I'm sure you haven't noticed, but all your examples have one and only one shared characteristic. And it's not the one most cop killers have. It might lead people into making the wrong assumption about what your motives are, as I am sure you are arguing in good faith.

On an unrelated note, I need whistling lessons. Can you teach me please?

 

[KeepTalking]

Wesley who?

Feigning ignorance again?

Again? What's that about?

Regardless, "Wesley who?" was my honest first response to your thread title. I had to take the time to read through posts to know who you were talking about, which shows in my post history. Quite the opposite from Rush. Not only did I immediately recognize his name when the thread about him was started, I immediately realized that your thread was in response to the Rush thread, without knowing who it was actually about. That says something about their relative influence and name recognition.

 

[KeepTalking]

"Quite often" is a gross exaggeration. I mentioned him a few times over the years.

You do realize this forum has a search function, right? That search function reveals that you have brought him up 29 times over the years. Most would consider that to be more than a few.

He does have a great deal of importance on the Left Wing.

The same search function I used above reveals that there have been 33 total mentions of Mumia Abu-Jamal. That would be only 4 mentions from posters other than you. I would call that "few". And of course, most of those mentions came from posters in this very thread responding to your obsession with him.

It seems like there is only one person on this board who considers him to be of great importance, and that person can hardly be described as left wing.

Hey Derec, when does Mumia Abu-Jamal's AM radio show come on, and how many listeners does he have?

Being in prison, he doesn't have his own show, but he does appear on left wing shows occasionally. For example Amy Goodman's "Democracy Now".
He also gave the commencement addresses at Evergreen State College and at Goddard College.

Translation: "He doesn't have one, and none."

Also, I just learned in this thread that he is in prison. I suppose I may have been presented with this info in one of your rants before, but that's how much he means to this Left Winger. After all the whinging you've done about him over the years, I figured he was out on the street spreading lies and disinformation with a megaphone every day of the week, and twice on Sundays. I guarantee that if Rush Limbaugh had lived his last days in prison, I would have known about it, along with every single Right Winger in America.

Thread fail.

 

[TomC]

I've never even heard of this guy.
If he really did murder a cop I'm fine with him staying in prison for a long time. Although murdering a cop and being convicted of murdering a cop aren't necessarily the same thing.
Also, I'm no fan of capital punishment. Sounds like a waste of taxpayer dollars in this case.

I doubt you really never heard of him. And he is definitely guilty. He has been all the rage of the Far Left activism. Not only in the US, but for example European Far Left loves him as well.
And Colin the Woke demanded he be released a few months ago too.

Sorry dude. I'm not particularly leftist. I have very little interest in politically extreme fire brands of any variety. And he has a hard to remember name. I honestly have no idea who this is about.
I'm not even sure who Colin the Woke is, either.

I largely know about Limbaugh because my dad used to listen to him sometimes.

And to be blunt, you are not a credible source concerning things like his conviction. I'm all too aware of circumstances where people get convicted for defending themselves from the cops. I don't know if that's the case here, but your opinion carries absolutely no weight with me.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

With all serious stuff going on in the world, how obtuse or empty must a life be to make an OP about this situation?

Did you say the same about the Rush death pool thread? Or do you see that as worthwhile discourse?

A "whataboutism" about a "whataboutism" thread!!! Thanks for doubling down on my observation.

It is ludicrous to compare Rush Limbaugh - a man who truly helped reduce political discourse in this country and who had listeners and adorers in the millions - with a little known convicted killer of police. While my memory is not perfect, I have no memory of similar outrage pouring from you about white killers of police getting parole. And Patooka has provided a number of examples of your selectivity in outrage targets.

Your OP and your stupid sanctimonious apologia of it are fooling no one but yourself.

 

[TomC]

With all serious stuff going on in the world, how obtuse or empty must a life be to make an OP about this situation?

Did you say the same about the Rush death pool thread? Or do you see that as worthwhile discourse?

I can't speak for [MENTION=28]laughing dog[/MENTION];

But I remember referring to the previous death pool as "gross". And that's what I remember as the general opinion.
"Limbaugh is gross, and so is the death pool."
Tom

 

[Jarhyn]

With all serious stuff going on in the world, how obtuse or empty must a life be to make an OP about this situation?

Did you say the same about the Rush death pool thread? Or do you see that as worthwhile discourse?

I can't speak for [MENTION=28]laughing dog[/MENTION];

But I remember referring to the previous death pool as "gross". And that's what I remember as the general opinion.
"Limbaugh is gross, and so is the death pool."
Tom

In fact, I think quite a few people expressed that regardless of their feelings, that they would not celebrate his death. I know that was the entirety of my contribution to the thread, arguing that his death being the only way to cease the tragedy that was his life does not make either less awful.

 

[Gospel]

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Get a clue Derec.

 

[Shadowy Man]

As a left of center person, consuming news and art in everyday life, I will say that I’ve really only heard Mumia’s name in a Rage Against the Machine song but I have heard of Rush Limbaugh, and seen clips of him, many times in my life even though I do not directly consume any of his material.

So, even if they both represent fringes of their side’s ideologies, there’s no comparison at all as to the popular exposure of the two personalities.

 

[Rhea]

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Please remember to address the argument, not the poster.
If you have nothing to say about the topic, scroll on by.
Snipes at other users do not add to the forum of discussions.

 

[Derec]

Get a clue Derec.

About what? That a righty radio blowhard who didn't kill anybody is far more hated on this forum than a lefty radio blowhard who murdered a police officer?
Oh, I suspected that clue already.

 

[Derec]

As a left of center person, consuming news and art in everyday life, I will say that I’ve really only heard Mumia’s name in a Rage Against the Machine song but I have heard of Rush Limbaugh, and seen clips of him, many times in my life even though I do not directly consume any of his material.

So, even if they both represent fringes of their side’s ideologies, there’s no comparison at all as to the popular exposure of the two personalities.

They had a different kind of celebrity. Rush enjoyed a lot more commercial success of course, but Cook has had a lot more international political and, as you noticed, popular culture support.
He became the honorary citizen of Paris and a street was named for him in a lefty Paris suburb.
Or take for example Zaklin Nastic, a member of the German federal parliament (Bundestag), who wrote an open letter to Cook a couple of years ago, fully supporting him.
Offener Brief an Mumia Abu-Jamal

More recently, she wrote a tweet demanding his immediate release.
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/ZaklinNastic/status/1367516983235862541[/TWEET]

 

[Derec]

It is ludicrous to compare Rush Limbaugh - a man who truly helped reduce political discourse in this country and who had listeners and adorers in the millions - with a little known convicted killer of police.

It is silly to pretend that "Mumia" is little known. He is extremely well known all over the world. And like Rush, he loved to engage in reductive political discourse and like Rush he has many fans reading and listening to his words. He did not have a daily radio show, I will give you that.

While my memory is not perfect, I have no memory of similar outrage pouring from you about white killers of police getting parole. And Patooka has provided a number of examples of your selectivity in outrage targets.

And I have provided examples of black killers of police getting parole. The issue is that "Mumia" is a well known political figure. And luckily he can't get parole as he is serving life without parole.

Your OP and your stupid sanctimonious apologia of it are fooling no one but yourself.

Other than stupid ad hominems you have nothing.

 

[Derec]

You do realize this forum has a search function, right? That search function reveals that you have brought him up 29 times over the years. Most would consider that to be more than a few.

Of course I do. And I count 14 threads where I mentioned him with this thread being the only one specifically about him - most of the others only having an off-hand reference to him.
That is this iteration of the forum. Did not search the archives.

And of course, most of those mentions came from posters in this very thread responding to your obsession with him.

Not obsession. Him getting COVID is newsworthy.

Unfortunately, he seems to be on the mend. Or at the very least, he has not died yet. That is a bit surprising given that he has a whole smörgåsbord of preexisting conditions: diabetes, cirrhosis, even congestive heart failure. He is not looking too good these days though.


Mumia Abu-Jamal loses 30 pounds while recovering from COVID-19

It seems like there is only one person on this board who considers him to be of great importance, and that person can hardly be described as left wing.

Most others like to pretend never to have heard of him. Which is weird given the amount of international attention he is receiving. While I lived in Europe, I heard much about "Mumia" while I never even heard about Rush until well into my life in the US.

 

[Derec]

I'm shocked, absolutely shocked you can name certain cop killers right off the bat.

Not off the bat. I had to google them. I knew of their terrorist BLA activities collectively though.

as they killed cops last year and not fourty fucking years ago.

1. You are moving goalposts. You brought up a white cop-killer who was released on parole so I countered with several black ones. Now you try to make it about recent murders as if your example wasn't "fourty[sic] fucking years ago" too.
2. The big difference is political support. Not much chance those people you mention will give commencement speeches at US universities or get streets named after them in fucking France!

Also, and I'm sure you haven't noticed, but all your examples have one and only one shared characteristic.

Only to counter your whataboutism about white cop killers.

Btw, I am shocked and chagrined, mortified and stupefied that you are linking to an article by Talcum X. Speaking of Rush, Talcum makes Rush seem fair and unbiased.