Right, and it seems they don't "just" behead, but also stone people to death for adultery, throw men off rooftops for gay sex - and then stone them to death if they survive -, and so on.Well the beheadings ISIS does aren't quick. They don't use a guillotine or a big ol' guy with a huge ax. Takes awhile to saw your way through a human neck.
Well the beheadings ISIS does aren't quick. They don't use a guillotine or a big ol' guy with a huge ax. Takes awhile to saw your way through a human neck.
True. The fact of and extent of the various groups' crimes should be enough to get them to stfu.without making a comparison between the two groups between the amount of suffering they inflict.
In addition to shooting or decapitating prisoners, stoning people to death for adultery, throwing men off rooftops for gay sex (and then stoning them to death if they survived), plus enslaving people for profit and raping women for fun, it seems - and it's their own propaganda video - that IS burned a Jordan pilot to death.
Granted, this particular atrocity (i.e., burning a person alive) is a new one as far as I know...
Shahi Bukhari said:Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:
Narrated 'Ikrima:
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Not strange at all.Strange that a group claiming to represent the "real" islam would do something expressly forbidden by their "prophet".
The OP's argument is an example of the false equivalence fallacy.
Moreover, nothing in the New Testament recommends force as a way of achieving or maintaining conversions. Nothing suggests that force is morally acceptable.
The OP's argument is an example of the false equivalence fallacy.
on 15 July 1834, the Spanish Inquisition was definitively abolished by a Royal Decree signed by regent Maria Christina of the Two Sicilies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#End_of_the_Inquisition
By then the Spanish Inquisition had long since lost its virulence.
Those who claim moral equivalence between Islam and Christianity need to go back in time at least two centuries.
Moreover, nothing in the New Testament recommends force as a way of achieving or maintaining conversions. Nothing suggests that force is morally acceptable.
The Koran has verses like Surah IX: 5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find th em, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.
You mean like those African evangelicals who are setting children on fire for "witchcraft"?
New (for IS) and very unislamic. Burning people to death is forbidden by Mo' himself in a hadith:
Shahi Bukhari said:Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:
Narrated 'Ikrima:
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Strange that a group claiming to represent the "real" islam would do something expressly forbidden by their "prophet".
Finally the analogy made by some with the Christians of Middle Ages (Obama included) is dishonest and fails to take in account the intrinsic capacities of Christianity and islam to reform in non trivial ways.
You mean like those African evangelicals who are setting children on fire for "witchcraft"?
Those aren't real Christians, though. Many of them aren't even white.
There's nobody who practices religion who doesn't cherry-pick the shit out of it in order to have it conform to whatever paradigms they decide they like. Middle-class Muslim bankers in Toronto have zero differences with middle-class Christian bankers in Toronto because they both have the ability to ignore whatever aspects of their religion they find inconvenient and reinterpret other parts into ways that end up having their religion become the basis of whatever ethical guidelines they decided were nice beforehand.
Finally the analogy made by some with the Christians of Middle Ages (Obama included) is dishonest and fails to take in account the intrinsic capacities of Christianity and islam to reform in non trivial ways.
Wait. How do those analogies "fail to take this into account" as opposed to "base the entire premise of their argument on that very point"?
There's nobody who practices religion who doesn't cherry-pick the shit out of it in order to have it conform to whatever paradigms they decide they like. Middle-class Muslim bankers in Toronto have zero differences with middle-class Christian bankers in Toronto because they both have the ability to ignore whatever aspects of their religion they find inconvenient and reinterpret other parts into ways that end up having their religion become the basis of whatever ethical guidelines they decided were nice beforehand.
Christians don't have to quit their job if a woman gets hired as their manager, despite the clear conflict with very straightforward Biblical passages not allowing this because God meant that "in context". Muslims can have cake at an office birthday party during Ramadan because "Allah allows exemptions for special occasions" (seriously, that was the actual rationale). There are zero rules for religions that can't be relaxed or ignored if the people practicing the religion decide they don't like them. There is nothing special about Islam which makes it any different than any other religion in that regard.
It is, of course, the worst religion by a large margin that's around today. That's because of the current interpretations of the religion, though, not because of anything inherent in the religion.
islam is 'peace' of course. There are some liberal, to some extent, muslims little doubt but how entitled are they rationally to claim that this is the islam of Muhammad, as presented in the quran and the hadith? You try to sell here the idea that liberal Christianity has the same amount of justification for its stance as these relatively liberal muslims (a minority, even in the West) which is patently false. I'm afraid the postmodernist / cultural relativist interpretation of texts cannot help you here, being not tenable, the basics of religions are not the bazar from where one choose whatever one wants while claiming full compatibility with Rationality, especially when extensive change is involved. There can exist however different degree of compatibility with Rationality and at this level all those honest intellectually would agree that a liberal Christian has much more justification for his stance than the muslims you talk about.