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DLH said:
steve_bank said:
Anyone still wondering how theology gets started and evolves?

In other news, the DLH Phase 2 rollout has been delayed. A spokesperson for the Yahweh Corporation says 'no comment'.
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Today the forum, tomorrow the world! Right!?

I don't read links. It is all the same biblical rhetoric for all biblical theists.


You are similar to Peacegirl. On her philosophy thread she promoted her dead father's nonsensical book from the 30s or 40s ignoring the obvious fallacies in the book. She got up[set when those of us responding did not agree with her and the book;s claims.
 
steve_bank said:
Today the forum, tomorrow the world! Right!?
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That's how you see it, huh? Got that ideology so readily apparent in the godless heathen, as with the religious fanatic. Meet the new boss same as the old boss.

As for me? No. Not the forum and most certainly not the world. The forum will go on after I get tired of the nonsense and the world is scheduled for destruction. I want little to do with the first and less of the world.
 
DLH

After the tie I have spent on the religion forum you are a routine run of the mill ordinary bible believing theist. Not as well prepared as other theists in justifying and depending beliefs.

Nothing new.

L:ike some theists before you on the forum your argument is basically ad moms against atheists.

I doubt anyone here takes you seriously enough to actually be offended, I don't.
 
steve_bank said:
DLH

After the tie I have spent on the religion forum you are a routine run of the mill ordinary bible believing theist. Not as well prepared as other theists in justifying and depending beliefs.

Nothing new.

L:ike some theists before you on the forum your argument is basically ad moms against atheists.

I doubt anyone here takes you seriously enough to actually be offended, I don't.
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You'll play it either way, huh? Let me tell you something, old timer, I'm not giving it much and if you had your blinders off you wouldn't think I'm so lame and the forum isn't because I've been at some places where the people were as thick as planks but the sole two people who see themselves as social warriors for the atheist utopia here - are an extremely poor example of it and that's saying something. Unusually bad, and I remember this forum IIDB when it was too cerebral for me. Boring. I like to get down and dirty with the pigs having no use of pearls, but this is ridiculous. It seems the evolutionary latter has, in this case, descended to the mire at the bottom of the dregs.

That's my honest opinion. I wouldn't say that just because we have ideological differences. Phase II, by the way, is diminished attention to personal criticisms that have nothing to do with the subject. Maybe you noticed? I let you blow off some steam and now it's time to get serious. With or without you but with a great deal less of this.
 
You are not really discussing anything about religion. You made a few declarative statements that the bible is the word of god.

You think you are being challenging and controversial to atheists, you are just looking foolish.

Whatever floats your boat, unless god starts telling you to do harm to others or you are intrusively proselytizing out in the world.

Note there is genocide in the OT. If the bible is the absolute word of a god, then I assume it is all of it or none of it.

Do you avoid work on the holy day? Do you keep kosher? Or do you pick and choose what words of god to follow like Christians do?
 
DLH said:
Ideology. The science of ideas.

I think that it is virtually impossible to get virtually all theists and atheists to conceptualize objectively a world where their ideology is wrong. It's much the same with politics and religion. This is why I'm irreligious and apolitical. It hinders the capacity for logical thought. Being apolitical and irreligious allows me virtually absolute freedom to investigate my spiritual and physical world without too much emotional and ideological baggage. IF I keep constant vigil for the ideological and spiritual (unseen, subtle) influences (cultural, societal, traditional, environmental, etc.) which are enough to muddle through without religion or politics fucking it up.

BUT

That's just the kind of guy I am, right?!

So, here goes. . . two questions:

1. What if Jehovah doesn't literally exist?
2. What if Jehovah does literally exist?
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No matter what one believes, true objectivity is nearly impossible. Everyone has biases shaped by culture, upbringing, and personal experiences. Even being apolitical and irreligious is a stance influenced by external factors.

If Jehovah doesn’t exist, then belief in Him is a human construct, shaped by tradition and psychological needs. Many religions would be stories, morality would be a human invention, and the universe would operate without divine oversight.

If Jehovah does exist, then the implications are enormous. It would mean a higher power shaped reality, morality has an absolute foundation, and human destiny may be subject to divine will.

Both possibilities lead to deep questions. The real challenge is not rejecting ideology but recognizing that no one escapes influence. The key is the willingness to question, challenge, and refine our understanding, regardless of where it leads.

NHC
 
DLH just needs people to talk to about himself. basic loneliness.
 
The trouble with the bibles divine moral standards or values is that God Himself breaks practically every rule in the book, kills, creates evil, lies, orders genocide.....
 
DBT said:
The trouble with the bibles divine moral standards or values is that God Himself breaks practically every rule in the book, kills, creates evil, lies, orders genocide.....
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I kind of don't see the logic in that. First of all, what sort of morality did Adam and Eve live by? Don't touch the tree, fill and subdue the earth. They are the ones that decided their morality. And the Bible used as a moral compass has always perplexed me. The people in the Bible were far from moral. David and Uriah, Solomon. I think that comes more from Christendom. When the KJV says he creates evil it is more like a child seeing being punished as evil than God making evil as we think it. The verse is more accurately translated from the Hebrew ra to calamity. God brought about the flood and death to Adam and Eve to prevent mankind from destroying themselves which would effectively eliminate the possibility of God's purpose for mankind to live forever in paradise. He doesn't actually lie; he allows people to believe the lie. And genocide? He created one race. Everyone comes from the same, so genocide would mean completely destroying man, which would certainly be within his rights as creator. They belong to him.
 
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The meaning of Adam & Eve is obvious.

The 'Tree Of Know;edge'?

Knowledge means elf awareness, eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil is loss of innocence. Adam and Eve became self aware.

I read that the story may be about the transition form wandering nomadic life to fixed settlements.

I think it is in Ecclesiastes the writer has the blues. He has to work hard to get enough food, yet birds fly free and live on the bounty of nature.

In the biblical story of Adam and Eve, eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil led to them realizing they were naked and experiencing shame, prompting them to cover themselves with fig leaves
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DLH said:
DBT said:
The trouble with the bibles divine moral standards or values is that God Himself breaks practically every rule in the book, kills, creates evil, lies, orders genocide.....
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I kind of don't see the logic in that. First of all, what sort of morality did Adam and Eve live by? Don't touch the tree, fill and subdue the earth. They are the ones that decided their morality. And the Bible used as a moral compass has always perplexed me. The people in the Bible were far from moral. David and Uriah, Solomon. I think that comes more from Christendom. When the KJV says he creates evil it is more like a child seeing being punished as evil than God making evil as we think it. The verse is more accurately translated from the Hebrew ra to calamity. God brought about the flood and death to Adam and Eve to prevent mankind from destroying themselves which would effectively eliminate the possibility of God's purpose for mankind to live forever in paradise. He doesn't actually lie; he allows people to believe the lie. And genocide? He created one race. Everyone comes from the same, so genocide would mean completely destroying man, which would certainly be within his rights as creator. They belong to him.
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I wasn't referring to the people in the bible. People are fallible. I said that we have God Himself acting against the very same values that He gave mankind. You know the verses - kill them all, keep the virgins, 'shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?'' and so on....
 
DBT said:
I wasn't referring to the people in the bible. People are fallible. I said that we have God Himself acting against the very same values that He gave mankind. You know the verses - kill them all, keep the virgins, 'shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?'' and so on....
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This is the most consistent aspect of Bible God. He always resembles the people who created him, because they create him in their own image.
That's why Exodus God resembles Moses. A murderous war lord with an ego the size of Mt Sinai. Leader of a violent and rapacious people. Exodus God is what God would be like if Moses were god.
Tom
 
TomC said:
DBT said:
I wasn't referring to the people in the bible. People are fallible. I said that we have God Himself acting against the very same values that He gave mankind. You know the verses - kill them all, keep the virgins, 'shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?'' and so on....
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This is the most consistent aspect of Bible God. He always resembles the people who created him, because they create him in their own image.
That's why Exodus God resembles Moses. A murderous war lord with an ego the size of Mt Sinai. Leader of a violent and rapacious people. Exodus God is what God would be like if Moses were god.
Tom
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It ALL makes sense once we understand that people living under Kings, Dictators used them as a template for God
Hence all the - "Get down on our knees, beg, grovel, blindly obey & be rewarded. Those who do not do so are enemies of our King, Dictator
and must be punished!"
Hence all the wars, a "God" who has enemies plotting against him, the killings, the threats if you do not believe, obey etc
Simple, innocent people made Gods and religions with the tools they had at that point
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What is shocking is to understand today's best & brightest blindly following those primitive ideas!
Amazing to see the brainwashing power of religion
 
DBT said:
The trouble with the bibles divine moral standards or values is that God Himself breaks practically every rule in the book, kills, creates evil, lies, orders genocide.....
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And these religions OPENLY say, "Good works won't get you into Heaven"
Works just like in Corrupt Countries - If you know the right people, you get ahead, but not because of your qualifications, works
They use belief to push conversions at the expense or morals, principles
 
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steve_bank said:
The meaning of Adam & Eve is obvious.

The 'Tree Of Know;edge'?

Knowledge means elf awareness, eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil is loss of innocence. Adam and Eve became self aware.

I read that the story may be about the transition form wandering nomadic life to fixed settlements.

I think it is in Ecclesiastes the writer has the blues. He has to work hard to get enough food, yet birds fly free and live on the bounty of nature.

In the biblical story of Adam and Eve, eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil led to them realizing they were naked and experiencing shame, prompting them to cover themselves with fig leaves
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The Adam & Eve story is the story of birth or a young man becoming an adult and leaving the nest
The apple represents Life - Eve is either the mother or lover
In the womb, we are happy, content, cared for & at peace but we can't remain the womb forever
We have to come out to a cold, hard world - we face pain & suffering - we cover ourselves up
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Once we reach adulthood, we have to leave the nest
Our parents fed, protected, sheltered, cared for us and kept us in a safe bubble - shielded from the horrors of life
But now once we "ate the apple" we are innocent no more, we must leave the nest, be the adults that we are
Face a cruel world on our own
 
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