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What is more sexist, a billboard ad of Apocalypse throttling Mystique or the patronizing of women?

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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/rambling-reporter/rose-mcgowan-calls-x-men-898538

Devin Faraci, editor-in-chief of the blog Birth.Movies.Death agrees, calling the billboard "tone deaf as hell."

"Images of violence against women are pretty common in the X-Men universe, which is a pretty violent universe. The problem is taking this one image out of context and having it be an image that is not fantastical in nature. Setting aside that Apocalypse and Mystique look like Smurfs, it's just an image of a big guy choking out a smaller woman. I have wracked my brains trying to come up with an example of a marketing image like this featuring two men, and I've come up empty," he tells THR.


Well if Devin Faraci has come up blank...

anyway, rambling video about it...

 
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Typical feminazi hypocrisy. It's ok for Mystique to fight and even kill men, but not ok for male characters to fight her because that's 'violence against women'. :rolleyes:
 
The writer can't come up with a marketing image of two men inflicting violence against each other? Is the writer 4 years old?

For some reason the first movie I thought of was The Good, The bad, and The Ugly and within one Google Images search I found a movie poster with the faces of the characters at the top and below that men shooting at each other with dead bodies laying everywhere.

I need look no further because I can speculate with something near 99.9% certainty that both before and since then, there have probably been hundreds, if not thousands of marketing images where men are doing violence to each other.
 
I don't know how where these sensitive souls find the courage to leave their homes each morning and endure such horrors.

I just teared up a little.
 
The writer can't come up with a marketing image of two men inflicting violence against each other? Is the writer 4 years old?

For some reason the first movie I thought of was The Good, The bad, and The Ugly and within one Google Images search I found a movie poster with the faces of the characters at the top and below that men shooting at each other with dead bodies laying everywhere.

I need look no further because I can speculate with something near 99.9% certainty that both before and since then, there have probably been hundreds, if not thousands of marketing images where men are doing violence to each other.
Specificly, a villain doing violence to one of the protagonists? Really? It seems that The Good, The Bad and the Ugly poster has the heroes doing just fine and looking rather confident.

I'm not saying there aren't examples of movie posters where male protagonists are depicted as victims, but I can't think of any right now.
 
I'm not saying there aren't examples of movie posters where male protagonists are depicted as victims, but I can't think of any right now.
Wasp Woman?
Attack of the 50 foot woman?

I'm not sure about 'Reservoir Dogs,' since I can't remember if Tarantino ever told us who was supposed to be the protagonist, but:
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This sounds like a classic case of "hostile sexism" versus "benevolent sexism". Those guilty of "hostile sexism" think the movie poster is fine as it is, whereas those guilty of "benevolent sexism" (the so-called "white knights") are offended by the image of a woman getting harmed by a man (I use the term "man" and "woman" in this case very loosely, obviously):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2015/03/09/sexism-often-comes-with-a-smile-study-finds/

"Basically, the argument is that these two properties — hostile sexism and benevolent sexism — work together to maintain inequality," said lead author Jin Goh, a graduate student at Northeastern University. Most people think of sexist men as being dominant aggressors who believe that women should be put down in society. But other men believe that women should be treated with kindness and love, but still don't see them as being capable of achieving the same things as men.

"It's a very paternalistic, protective view of women, and it seems kind of appealing as a sort of chivalry," Goh said, "But it does contribute to inequality, because these men don't expect women to achieve high goals."

Perhaps the solution is to just make gender segregated movies from now on. Either all male or all female. In the all-male movies, the men can beat the fuck out of each other as they wish, and without females, there will obviously be no "white knighting". In the all-female movies, the women can find themselves in a dangerous situation and there will be no men to come and do something sexist, like rescue them. Everyone will be happy!
 
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Those guilty of "hostile sexism" think the movie poster is fine as it is,

How is that "hostile sexism"? It sounds more like gender equality to me.

I'm just using the terminology of the linked article. Apparently, there are only two choices.... you are either a "hostile sexist" or a "benevolent sexist".

The Onion interviewed some people about this study:

http://www.theonion.com/americanvoices/study-men-who-are-nice-to-women-may-be-benevolent--38217


“These days, it’s impossible to find a good man who will just sit there with a blank look on his face.”
Leslie Torday

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Well, I think this is related to the Batgirl #41 cover with the Joker. That uproar made more sense, given that it was for a teen girl oriented comic - who likely didn't know about the Killing Joke.

http://time.com/3755285/batgirl-joker-cover-controversy-feminism/

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That is so much more evocative than the X-Men poster, creepy as hell!

I guess you could have a cover of the Joker with a knife on a rope-bound Batman's neck (ala ISIS) that could have a similar effect and people would want to have pulled for its jarring level of implied violence.

I don't like the slippery slope argument, this cover is different from the X-men poster and I judge each case differently.

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But if the X-men poster is so wrong, then can we please NOT have women in combat roles? You can't have it both ways!
 
Oh no! Women are asking that society not mistreat them!

It's so unfair! This is so unfair to men! Oh woe is you, you have to put up with such horrible things! However do you endure?

Sigh.

Do you women-haters never stop whining? Just curious.
 
Well, I think this is related to the Batgirl #41 cover with the Joker. That uproar made more sense, given that it was for a teen girl oriented comic - who likely didn't know about the Killing Joke.

http://time.com/3755285/batgirl-joker-cover-controversy-feminism/

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That is so much more evocative than the X-Men poster, creepy as hell!
It's creepy, but not sexist. You are not supposed to identify with Joker here, especially given the target audience.
 
The writer can't come up with a marketing image of two men inflicting violence against each other? Is the writer 4 years old?

For some reason the first movie I thought of was The Good, The bad, and The Ugly and within one Google Images search I found a movie poster with the faces of the characters at the top and below that men shooting at each other with dead bodies laying everywhere.

I need look no further because I can speculate with something near 99.9% certainty that both before and since then, there have probably been hundreds, if not thousands of marketing images where men are doing violence to each other.
Specificly, a villain doing violence to one of the protagonists? Really? It seems that The Good, The Bad and the Ugly poster has the heroes doing just fine and looking rather confident.

I'm not saying there aren't examples of movie posters where male protagonists are depicted as victims, but I can't think of any right now.

There's more than one poster and they're easily findable.
 
Oh no! Women are asking that society not mistreat them!

It's so unfair! This is so unfair to men! Oh woe is you, you have to put up with such horrible things! However do you endure?

Sigh.

Do you women-haters never stop whining? Just curious.

I think you've missed the point on this one.
 
Oh no! Women are asking that society not mistreat them!

It's so unfair! This is so unfair to men! Oh woe is you, you have to put up with such horrible things! However do you endure?

Sigh.

Do you women-haters never stop whining? Just curious.

What's your opinion of the billboard? Leave it as is, change it, or take it down? Explain your reasoning.
 
I think the poster is fine. It depicts a scene where Mystique is a bad-assed warrior taking the fight to a dangerous enemy even though he vastly overpowers her because her team and the world need her help.

Just because there a bunch of misogynists out there who think that a woman should cower behind a man whenever there's danger and not stand up for herself is no reason to cater to tha bigoted subset of society and give into their demands. The people who put this poster up should act more like women and stick up for themselves.
 
I think the poster is fine. It depicts a scene where Mystique is a bad-assed warrior taking the fight to a dangerous enemy even though he vastly overpowers her because her team and the world need her help.

Just because there a bunch of misogynists out there who think that a woman should cower behind a man whenever there's danger and not stand up for herself is no reason to cater to tha bigoted subset of society and give into their demands. The people who put this poster up should act more like women and stick up for themselves.

Yeah, they need to have complaints like this to be addressed in a mature way, not in a knee-jerk apologetic manner. First off look at what message taking down the poster sends. In this case there are negatives to that.

Are you calling Rose McGowan a misogynist?
 
Yes. That's who I was referring to. The X-Man (sorry, X-Person) franchise is giving its women prominent leadership roles where they're full partners to the men on the screen and she thinks that this is inappropriate and that their weak and pathetic gender shouldn't be portrayed in combat roles.

This wasn't a picture of a man abusing a woman, it was a picture of two warriors locked in combat. Her narrow minded prejudices didn't even allow her to see this but instead to pigeonhole it into her myopic, preconceived little box.
 
I'm not saying there aren't examples of movie posters where male protagonists are depicted as victims, but I can't think of any right now.
Wasp Woman?
That counts.

Attack of the 50 foot woman?
Woman victimizing ... a car? No clear male protagonist.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Attackofthe50ftwoman.jpg

Anyway it is telling that one has to go back sixty years for good examples.

I'm not sure about 'Reservoir Dogs,' since I can't remember if Tarantino ever told us who was supposed to be the protagonist, but:
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They both have guns pointed at each other, even if one of them is bleeding to death.
 
Specificly, a villain doing violence to one of the protagonists? Really? It seems that The Good, The Bad and the Ugly poster has the heroes doing just fine and looking rather confident.

I'm not saying there aren't examples of movie posters where male protagonists are depicted as victims, but I can't think of any right now.

There's more than one poster and they're easily findable.
There probably are. But with my quick googling I couldn't find anything that blatant, that's all. Feel free to post your examples if you have any.

It seems that male protagonists tend to be depicted always as beign in control, and confident, and often females are as well. But it is jarring to see a female protagonist being completely helpless damsel in distress.
 
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