What is so bad about Hillary Clinton?

[SLD]

I've got three young kids that I don't want to be sent to the ME. Most of the republicans favor reinvading the ME (and maybe sending troops to Ukraine).

We have a professional army. That means that if your kids do not want to go to ME all they have to do is not enlist.
As far as I know the only politician seriously advocating for the draft is Charlie Rangel, a Democrat.

That's why we need a draft. A draft makes polticians think twice about using the military. If Jenna Bush was in the Army like practically everyone else I wonder if W would've invaded Iraq?

SLD

 

[RavenSky]

We have a professional army. That means that if your kids do not want to go to ME all they have to do is not enlist.
As far as I know the only politician seriously advocating for the draft is Charlie Rangel, a Democrat.

That's why we need a draft. A draft makes polticians think twice about using the military. If Jenna Bush was in the Army like practically everyone else I wonder if W would've invaded Iraq?

SLD

Rich kids were never drafted anyway, so it would be no deterrent. Look at George W's "war record"

 

[arkirk]

That's why we need a draft. A draft makes polticians think twice about using the military. If Jenna Bush was in the Army like practically everyone else I wonder if W would've invaded Iraq?

SLD

Rich kids were never drafted anyway, so it would be no deterrent. Look at George W's "war record"

And Hillary has been nothing but a war monger and a nationalistic braggart. She takes money from THE WRONG PEOPLE, and then diligently works for THEM. If she manages to get into the Democratic Party saddle for this next election, I will feel obliged by my conscience to vote for the Green Party candidate again. Sanders is not a saint, but he is not selling out old or sick or poor people like Clinton does regularly.

I know I am just one person, but I feel there are a lot of me's out there who would vote for a true peoples' candidate.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

You are actually painting me as a Trump supporter? Wow. That could be considered Libel.

I have reasons why I oppose Hillary here which you were more than nice enough to ignore because you so desperate WANT people who don't approve of her to be Trump supporters.

I'll save you some money: you wouldn't have a libel case against me. Anyway, why does my opinion offend you so much? You won't be voting for any democrat. I'm simply pointing out that the right will support the weaker democrat canidate in the primary until the general election.

You're partially right - a defamation case would involve convincing a judge that anyone believes you about anything.

So ... even though I provided reasons, let me spell it out even further where and why you are not just wrong but not even wrong.

Those who have been on this forum for a while know that I've been consistently against war. I was against war under Bush, and remained against war under Obama. I say that I survived the death of the peace movement, which irritates all those people who changed their minds for some mysterious reason on January 19th, 2009. It is as if something happened on that day that convinced a whole bunch of Democrats that they no longer needed to oppose war.

Hillary is so pro-war that she makes Attila the Hun look like a hippy peacenik. She cannot wait to get her chance to kill lots and lots of brown people. She desperately wants to kill lots and lots of brown people.

You have take the position that I am supporting Bernie because he's a weaker candidate. Killing people doesn't make you strong. A bloodlust like what Hillary has is not the sign of a strong candidate. It is the sign of a strong sociopath, but not the sign of a strong candidate.

Unless you are trying to imply that I support Bernie because you for some unknown reason used the words "right wing" to describe me. Are you actually trying to say that I want the Democrats to lose so that the Republicans can win? If you actually believe that fantasy, tell me which of the Republicans I am supposed to support considering that my reason for opposing Hillary is that she can't wait to kill brown people. You tried to insinuate Donald Trump for some reason, I am not aware that he is an opponent of war. So, you called me "right wing" and tried to insinuate that I support Trump. If it were actually possible that someone somewhere in the world actually believed a single thing you said or wrote, then I might have support for calling your words defamation.

You support Hillary. Does that mean you want her to kill brown people? What have you got against brown people?

 

[iolo]

Bullshit. Those on the right embraced Sarah Palin and of course, they almost worship Margaret Thatcher.

For real people, mainly her grovelling Zionism.

So anti-semites are the "real people"?

Perverts are perverts in any country. Do you suppose your nutters don't hate women? What the shit are you talking about antisemites for <snip>?

 

[Derec]

Perverts are perverts in any country.

Actually morays vary widely by society.

Do you suppose your nutters don't hate women?

Yes, I suppose <snip> "nutters" do not.

What the shit are you talking about antisemites for <snip>?

People complaining about "Zionism" invariably are antisemites.

 

[Derec]

Hillary is so pro-war that she makes Attila the Hun look like a hippy peacenik.

Really?

She cannot wait to get her chance to kill lots and lots of brown people. She desperately wants to kill lots and lots of brown people.

Here we go again. Is she wanting to invade Italy or what?

 

[dismal]

Hillary is just for the wars that poll well. I don't think this makes her a warmonger so much as a Hillarymonger.

 

[Arctish]

People complaining about "Zionism" invariably are antisemites.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=jews+against+zionism

Interesting that criticizing Clinton for "grovelling Zionism" has been equated with anti-Semitism, as though not liking how willing she is to kiss Netanyahu's sweet Likud ass is the same as being prejudiced against Jews.

If Clinton sucks up to the Chinese Communist Party to a degree I think is excessive, and I criticize her for it, does that make me anti-Asian?

 

[Will Wiley]

http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl...lary_clinton_has_become_a_subversive_act.html

Interesting article. I too do not understand why people insist on seeing her as a bad person of some kind. To those detractors out there who call her a liar, why do you say that particularly? Granted we all lie to some extent. I doubt everything she says is truthful. I'm sure George Washington lied (even if he told the truth about the Cherry tree). But how exactly is she more of a liar than anyone else? I hear it constantly that she is a liar.

SLD

Whether she is "bad person" as you call it has nothing to do really with whether she has lied or will lie. She is an awful person to lead America, in objective terms. The problem is all the candidates are very bad. Trump is the best in some ways, and that is a terrible indictment on the others. Hillary will continue the disastrous foreign policy that is destroying America. She has no vision no courage and no idea.
It would take a truly extraordinary leader to deal with America as it is today, and none of the candidates show the slightest hint. The presidential candidates are such a despicable bunch of vermin that many people realise Donald Trump is the best hope.

Does anyone really think Hillary has any balls?
You guys need someone with balls. Trump has balls but little idea.

If Hillary gets in I shudder think what will be the situation in 2020

 

[iolo]

Actually morays vary widely by society.

Do you suppose your nutters don't hate women?

Yes, I suppose <snip> "nutters" do not.

What the shit are you talking about antisemites for <snip>?

People complaining about "Zionism" invariably are antisemites.

Thugs supporting Zionism are <snip> invariably racist Nazis. <snip>

 

[Loren Pechtel]

What's wrong is simple:

She's the Democratic frontrunner. That means the right wing noise machine would villify her even if she were Jesus himself.

Whether their mud sticks or not there's so much of it flying that she looks muddy.

 

[Derec]

Interesting that criticizing Clinton for "grovelling Zionism" has been equated with anti-Semitism, as though not liking how willing she is to kiss Netanyahu's sweet Likud ass is the same as being prejudiced against Jews.

Zionism merely means support for the Jewish state. Those who are opposed to Zionism believe Israel should be abolished and the whole area given to Arabs. That is antisemitic in my opinion.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Interesting that criticizing Clinton for "grovelling Zionism" has been equated with anti-Semitism, as though not liking how willing she is to kiss Netanyahu's sweet Likud ass is the same as being prejudiced against Jews.

Zionism merely means support for the Jewish state. Those who are opposed to Zionism believe Israel should be abolished and the whole area given to Arabs. That is antisemitic in my opinion.

No, it means unconditional support of the Jewish state. It means you must agree with everything Israel does, or else you're an anti-semite.

 

[Will Wiley]

Interesting that criticizing Clinton for "grovelling Zionism" has been equated with anti-Semitism, as though not liking how willing she is to kiss Netanyahu's sweet Likud ass is the same as being prejudiced against Jews.

Zionism merely means support for the Jewish state. Those who are opposed to Zionism believe Israel should be abolished and the whole area given to Arabs. That is antisemitic in my opinion.

Straw man alert.
I am opposed to Zionism but not necessarily the state of Israel. The racism is the problem. Or "religionism".

 

[untermensche]

Zionism is based on religious delusion.

Nobody should defend it.

The State of Israel is a huge gaping wound because of it.

 

[Deepak]

Could somebody link me to the Twitter post where  Zionism got redefined to mean unconditional support for Likud and an exclusively religious movement?

Seems like a big departure from the way the pro and anti terms were defined my entire life. Anti-Zionism == Israel does not exist.

 

[Arctish]

Could somebody link me to the Twitter post where  Zionism got redefined to mean unconditional support for Likud and an exclusively religious movement?

Seems like a big departure from the way the pro and anti terms were defined my entire life. Anti-Zionism == Israel does not exist.

Why go to Twitter for a definition? The Oxford English dictionary would be a better source.

Zionism used to refer to the movement to establish a Jewish State in Palestine. If that was what the term still meant, there would be no modern day Zionists. The Jewish State was established more than 8 decades ago, so been there, done that.

Nowadays, the term refers to the ongoing expansion of Israel into all parts of Palestine once ruled by ancient Jewish kings, and to the political philosophy that asserts only Jews have the Right to claim that land as their own.

Anyway, the point is that a candidate for the office of President of the United States of America should have America's best interests at heart, not the interests of other countries. If someone believes Ms. Clinton is excessively servile and/or displays a troubling compliance with a foreign country's aggression, then calling her out on it is a legitimate critique. If the person levelling the criticism happens to be anti-whatever group Clinton is kowtowing to, that does not affect the legitimacy of the complaint.

If I complain that she sucks up to a regime in China noted for its human rights violations, rape of the environment, and aggression in the South China Sea, does that make me anti-Asian?