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Skeptics often ask believers how they know that the Bible is, in fact, the true and only word of Jehovah God. How do we know it isn't the Dhammapada, the Kojiki, or any other sacred text? It's a valid question, but it can also be applied to skeptics. How do they know these texts aren't divine? The solution is both simple and obvious, yet not commonly practiced: one should read and research. Seek the answer. What one would discover is that the Bible stands out in numerous ways, including its assertions of divine inspiration and historical authenticity.​
 



Why don't YOU take up the challenge: Can YOU prove that Dracula by Bram Stoker is not the One-and-Only True Word of God?
May I give it a go?
1. Dracula - real example of resurrection. Maybe daily resurrections.
2. Who better to say, "Drink of it, all of you, this is my blood of the covenant. Yummers!!"
3. Dracula/Jesus both recoil if you hold up a cross in front of them.
4. 'Dracula by Bram Stoker' anagrams to 'Robustly dark, macabre.' OK I guess that's neither here nor there.
5. Dracula/Jesus both suck in a big way, but for different reasons. And you're a major nerd if you obsess about either one.
6. Major conjecture/searches for their burial sites.
7. Both can inspire nightmares in pious little children.
8. Both are fictions blown up from (apparently) historical figures.
 
Why are you guys bothering? The man is a holocaust denier. He has an article on it at his forum, where he is the only member. I linked to it, in another thread.

In my estimation we should all simply ignore these threads. He is on a mission and clearly believes he is bullet proof. No reasonable or rational arguments will penetrate.
 
Why are you guys bothering? The man is a holocaust denier. He has an article on it at his forum, where he is the only member. I linked to it, in another thread.

In my estimation we should all simply ignore these threads. He is on a mission and clearly believes he is bullet proof. No reasonable or rational arguments will penetrate.

Can you link it again? This I have to see.
 
I followed that link. Curious -- how do you know it's the same guy??

Same guy. That's me. But I'm no Holocaust denier. Dumacrats call people names to try and silence them. They're idiots. I ignore them. And, if you don't like people who ask questions about history, you should ignore me too. Then we'll all be happy.
 
I followed that link. Curious -- how do you know it's the same guy??

Same guy. That's me. But I'm no Holocaust denier. Dumacrats call people names to try and silence them. They're idiots. I ignore them. And, if you don't like people who ask questions about history, you should ignore me too. Then we'll all be happy.
Sir, I'm sorry I said I think we should ignore you. That was wrong of me.

But you actually remind me of myself, nearly twenty years ago, right after I joined. I came as an atheist, sober minded, serious. After my marriage fell apart I began to drink again, and used certain mind altering drugs to feel better. Fast forward, I was eventually diagnosed with depression, severe anxiety, and personality disorders, namely bi-polar.

Anyway, during periods of chemically induced derangement, I began to have religious mania. I devoured Spinoza, felt I had been selected by God personally, ultimately thought I was a Christian, then went so whacky I remember believing I was some sort of messianic figure. It's all documented here, and on the archive site.

I am not saying I believe you are deranged or using chemicals, or are mentally ill. But you do seem to be on a mission. Your threads look impressive, your site is impressive, at least visually.

Do you feel bullet proof? That you have been chosen to do a task of some kind, an important thing?
 
Dumacrats call people names to try and silence them. They're idiots. I ignore them.

Just asking -- Is it ONLY the Dumacrats that resort to childish name-calling? Just a few seconds ago, I saw a post by a poster who needed to deploy a silly sophomoric pejorative against the Democrats.

I suppose in your sophisticated view of politics we're watching the ongoing morality play
Brandon and the Dumacrats beaten senseless by Jesus and The Risen-Up-Licans
 
Dumacrats call people names to try and silence them. They're idiots. I ignore them.

Just asking -- Is it ONLY the Dumacrats that resort to childish name-calling? Just a few seconds ago, I saw a post by a poster who needed to deploy a silly sophomoric pejorative against the Democrats.

I suppose in your sophisticated view of politics we're watching the ongoing morality play
Brandon and the Dumacrats beaten senseless by Jesus and The Risen-Up-Licans

I don't care about that. There's nothing sophisticated about dumb ideology, whether religion or politics.

I think it's most commonly the Dumacrats who call people names in order to silence them. Racist, homophobic, Nazi, etc. It's a common tactic for stupid people. Not just Dumacrats or Repugnicans. It's pretty big with Christians but I don't think they do it for the same reason. Satanic, dark sided. There's nothing wrong with name calling, it's trying to silence them, censor them, demonize them, etc.
 
Of course, my religip0us ideology is smart, all others are dumb.

I know my ideology is smart ecaise I know my ideology is smart, and it is god's words. I kw it is god's words because it is in 3000 year old writings tht I know have been passed down and translated exactly as they were written.

And of course we have to take it on faith that DLH actually does believee what he says he believes.
 
Skeptics often ask believers how they know that the Bible is, in fact, the true and only word of Jehovah God. How do we know it isn't the Dhammapada, the Kojiki, or any other sacred text? It's a valid question, but it can also be applied to skeptics. How do they know these texts aren't divine? The solution is both simple and obvious, yet not commonly practiced: one should read and research. Seek the answer. What one would discover is that the Bible stands out in numerous ways, including its assertions of divine inspiration and historical authenticity.​
The same logic applies in reverse. If reading and researching can prove the Bible’s divine origin, then reading and researching other religious texts should, by the same standard, reveal their truth as well. Yet billions of people across history have read their own sacred texts and found them just as divinely inspired.

Every major religious text makes claims of divine origin. The Quran asserts it is the final revelation from God. The Bhagavad Gita presents Krishna as the supreme deity. The Tripitaka records the words of the Buddha as ultimate wisdom. If divine inspiration is measured by internal claims and historical details, then all these texts must be equally valid—or the method itself is flawed.

The truth is, belief in a sacred text comes down to faith, culture, and personal experience. If historical authenticity alone determined divine truth, then all historically verified texts would be considered sacred. But no one worships Tacitus or Herodotus.

Reading and researching are essential, but they do not lead to one inevitable conclusion. If they did, all sincere seekers would arrive at the same truth, yet history shows otherwise. Faith is not proof, and claiming the Bible “stands out” is subjective—it depends on who is reading and what they are seeking.

NHC
 
It's obvious to anyone who gives it thoughtful consideration that the Bible, like other religious texts is a pile of mythological bullshit. it contradicts itself endlessly.



Can you give an example if it contradicting itself, please?

https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/biblical-contradictions/

It is a central dogma of all fundamental Christians that the Bible is without error. They teach this conclusion by “reasoning” that god cannot be the author of false meaning and he cannot lie. Is this true? If written by a perfect being, then it must not contradict itself, as a collection of books written by different men at different times over many centuries would be expected to contradict each other.

With this in mind, let us have a look at the Bible on several subjects.

The Sabbath Day​

“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.” — Exodus 20:8

“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” — Romans 14:5

The Permanence of Earth​

“… the earth abideth for ever.” — Ecclesiastes 1:4

“… the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” — 2Peter 3:10

Seeing God​

“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30

“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18

Human Sacrifice​

“… Thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God…” — Leviticus 18:21

[In Judges, though, the tale of Jephthah, who led the Israelites against the Ammonoites, is being told. Being fearful of defeat, this good religious man sought to guarantee victory by getting god firmly on his side. So he prayed to god] “… If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD’s, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering” — Judges 11:30-31

[The terms were acceptable to god — remember, he is supposed to be omniscient and know the future — so he gave victory to Jephthah, and the first whatsoever that greeted him upon his glorious return was his daughter, as god surely knew would happen, if god is god. True to his vow, the general made a human sacrifice of his only child to god!] — Judges 11:29-34

The Power of God​

“… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26

“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19

Personal Injury​

“…thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. ” — Exodus 21:23-25

“…ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” — Matthew 5:39

Circumcision​

“This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.” — Genesis 17:10

“…if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.” — Galatians 5:2

Incest​

“Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother…” — Deuteronomy 27:22

“And if a man shall take his sister, his father’s daughter, or his mother’s daughter…it is a wicked thing….” — Leviticus 20:17

[But what was god’s reaction to Abraham, who married his sister — his father’s daughter?] See Genesis 20:11-12

“And God said unto Abraham, As for Sara thy wife…I bless her, and give thee a son also of her…” — Genesis 17:15-16

Trusting God​

“A good man obtaineth favour of the LORD…” — Proverbs 12:2

Now consider the case of Job. After commissioning Satan to ruin Job financially and to slaughter his shepherds and children to win a petty bet with Satan. God asked Satan: “Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.” — Job 2:3

The Holy Lifestyle​

“Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart…” — Ecclesiastes 9:7

“…they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not…” — 1 Corinthians 7:30

Punishing Crime​

“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20

“I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5

Temptation​

“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.” — James 1:13

“And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham…” — Genesis 22:1

Family Relationships​

“Honor thy father and thy mother…”– Exodus 20:12

“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. ” — Luke 14:26

Resurrection of the Dead​

“…he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. ” — Job 7:9

“…the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth….” — John 5:28-29

The End of the World​

“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. ” — Matthew 16:28

“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. ” — Luke 21:32-33

“And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.” — Romans 13:11-12

“Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.” — James 5:8

“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.” — 1 John 2:18

“But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.” — 1 Peter 4:7

These words were written between 1800 and 1900 years ago and were meant to warn and prepare the first Christians for the immediate end of the world. Some words are those supposedly straight out of the mouth of the “Son of God.” The world did not end 1800 or 1900 years ago. All that generation passed away without any of the things foretold coming to pass. No amount of prayer brought it about; nor ever so much patience and belief and sober living. The world went on, as usual, indifferent to the spoutings of yet another batch of doomsday prophets with visions of messiahs dancing in their deluded brains. The world, by surviving, makes the above passages contradictions.

Conclusion​

What is incredible about the Bible is not its divine authorship; it’s that such a concoction of contradictory nonsense could be believed by anyone to have been written by an omniscient god. To do so, one would first have to not read the book, which is the practice of most Christians; or, if one does read it, dump in the trash can one’s rational intelligence — to become a fool for god, in other words.

To be an atheist, one need only be able to laugh when such obvious nonsense is offered as being “divine” truth.

All Bible quotes from the Authorized King James Version of the Bible (New York: Abradale Press, 1965)

This is an adaptation of an article originally written by former Interim President and current member of the Board of Directors Frank Zindler.




Resources​


I'm sure there are more, but since you asked....I found some just for you.
 
https://www.bartehrman.com/contradictions-in-the-bible/

BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS: LIST OF 50 BIBLICAL INCONSISTENCIES​

Our exploration into the biggest contradictions in the Bible (and differences!) begins with an example that, in a sense, binds the Old Testament with the New Testament in a paradoxical way.

Read the link if you are interested in learning more of the contradictions in your holy book, or holy books, since it's a compilation of many so called books, which are obviously mythological.
 
It's obvious to anyone who gives it thoughtful consideration that the Bible, like other religious texts is a pile of mythological bullshit. it contradicts itself endlessly.



Can you give an example if it contradicting itself, please?

https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/biblical-contradictions/

It is a central dogma of all fundamental Christians that the Bible is without error. They teach this conclusion by “reasoning” that god cannot be the author of false meaning and he cannot lie. Is this true? If written by a perfect being, then it must not contradict itself, as a collection of books written by different men at different times over many centuries would be expected to contradict each other.

With this in mind, let us have a look at the Bible on several subjects.

The Sabbath Day​

“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.” — Exodus 20:8

“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” — Romans 14:5

The Permanence of Earth​

“… the earth abideth for ever.” — Ecclesiastes 1:4

“… the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” — 2Peter 3:10

Seeing God​

“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30

“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18

Human Sacrifice​

“… Thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God…” — Leviticus 18:21

[In Judges, though, the tale of Jephthah, who led the Israelites against the Ammonoites, is being told. Being fearful of defeat, this good religious man sought to guarantee victory by getting god firmly on his side. So he prayed to god] “… If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD’s, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering” — Judges 11:30-31

[The terms were acceptable to god — remember, he is supposed to be omniscient and know the future — so he gave victory to Jephthah, and the first whatsoever that greeted him upon his glorious return was his daughter, as god surely knew would happen, if god is god. True to his vow, the general made a human sacrifice of his only child to god!] — Judges 11:29-34

The Power of God​

“… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26

“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19

Personal Injury​

“…thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. ” — Exodus 21:23-25

“…ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” — Matthew 5:39

Circumcision​

“This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.” — Genesis 17:10

“…if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.” — Galatians 5:2

Incest​

“Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother…” — Deuteronomy 27:22

“And if a man shall take his sister, his father’s daughter, or his mother’s daughter…it is a wicked thing….” — Leviticus 20:17

[But what was god’s reaction to Abraham, who married his sister — his father’s daughter?] See Genesis 20:11-12

“And God said unto Abraham, As for Sara thy wife…I bless her, and give thee a son also of her…” — Genesis 17:15-16

Trusting God​

“A good man obtaineth favour of the LORD…” — Proverbs 12:2

Now consider the case of Job. After commissioning Satan to ruin Job financially and to slaughter his shepherds and children to win a petty bet with Satan. God asked Satan: “Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.” — Job 2:3

The Holy Lifestyle​

“Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart…” — Ecclesiastes 9:7

“…they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not…” — 1 Corinthians 7:30

Punishing Crime​

“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20

“I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5

Temptation​

“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.” — James 1:13

“And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham…” — Genesis 22:1

Family Relationships​

“Honor thy father and thy mother…”– Exodus 20:12

“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. ” — Luke 14:26

Resurrection of the Dead​

“…he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. ” — Job 7:9

“…the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth….” — John 5:28-29

The End of the World​

“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. ” — Matthew 16:28

“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. ” — Luke 21:32-33

“And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.” — Romans 13:11-12

“Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.” — James 5:8

“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.” — 1 John 2:18

“But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.” — 1 Peter 4:7

These words were written between 1800 and 1900 years ago and were meant to warn and prepare the first Christians for the immediate end of the world. Some words are those supposedly straight out of the mouth of the “Son of God.” The world did not end 1800 or 1900 years ago. All that generation passed away without any of the things foretold coming to pass. No amount of prayer brought it about; nor ever so much patience and belief and sober living. The world went on, as usual, indifferent to the spoutings of yet another batch of doomsday prophets with visions of messiahs dancing in their deluded brains. The world, by surviving, makes the above passages contradictions.

Conclusion​

What is incredible about the Bible is not its divine authorship; it’s that such a concoction of contradictory nonsense could be believed by anyone to have been written by an omniscient god. To do so, one would first have to not read the book, which is the practice of most Christians; or, if one does read it, dump in the trash can one’s rational intelligence — to become a fool for god, in other words.

To be an atheist, one need only be able to laugh when such obvious nonsense is offered as being “divine” truth.

All Bible quotes from the Authorized King James Version of the Bible (New York: Abradale Press, 1965)

This is an adaptation of an article originally written by former Interim President and current member of the Board of Directors Frank Zindler.




Resources​


I'm sure there are more, but since you asked....I found some just for you.

Did I ask the author of that? I don't mind using it as a reference but could you at least go to the trouble to put it in your own words? Give it some thought?
 
https://www.bartehrman.com/contradictions-in-the-bible/

BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS: LIST OF 50 BIBLICAL INCONSISTENCIES​

Our exploration into the biggest contradictions in the Bible (and differences!) begins with an example that, in a sense, binds the Old Testament with the New Testament in a paradoxical way.

Read the link if you are interested in learning more of the contradictions in your holy book, or holy books, since it's a compilation of many so called books, which are obviously mythological.

For the last 30 years my main focus has been to look at skepticism of the Bible. It teaches me a great deal. Most of it is poorly constructed hate, ideological mocking and just ignorance. This is just a small part of MY WORK.
 
https://www.bartehrman.com/contradictions-in-the-bible/

BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS: LIST OF 50 BIBLICAL INCONSISTENCIES​

Our exploration into the biggest contradictions in the Bible (and differences!) begins with an example that, in a sense, binds the Old Testament with the New Testament in a paradoxical way.

Read the link if you are interested in learning more of the contradictions in your holy book, or holy books, since it's a compilation of many so called books, which are obviously mythological.

For the last 30 years my main focus has been to look at skepticism of the Bible. It teaches me a great deal. Most of it is poorly constructed hate, ideological mocking and just ignorance. This is just a small part of MY WORK.
You asked a question and I answered it. No offense, but I'm not really interested in your obsession with the Bible. It's obviously mythology to me. I studied it throughout my childhood. Then I studied the holy books of other religions. Some were a lot nicer than the Bible but eventually I realized they were all based on myths.

It caused me a lot of emotional stress to think that a supposedly all loving god could be so cruel as Bible god. You think the Bible has a lot truth in it. I do not. Actually based on your posts, it's puzzling what you really believe.

Sure, there are some good morality lessons in parts of it, but most of them are human universals found in all known cultures going back long before the Bible was put together. Anyway, that's probably all I have to say.
 
The commands ijnspired by god... the 613 Mitzvot


Not to wrong any one in speech (Lev. 25:17) (CCN48). See Speech and Lashon Ha-Ra.
Not to cherish hatred in one's heart (Lev. 19:17) (CCN78). See Love and Brotherhood.
To leave the gleanings for the poor (Lev. 19:9) (affirmative) (CCI2).

Treating Gentiles

To love the stranger (Deut 10:19) (CCA61). See Love and Brotherhood.
Not to wrong the stranger in speech (Ex. 22:20) (CCN49).

That a eunuch shall not marry a daughter of Israel (Deut. 23:2) (CCN136).

bigotry
That an Ammonite or Moabite shall never marry the daughter of an Israelite (Deut. 23:4) (negative).
Not to intermarry with gentiles (Deut. 7:3) (CCN19). See Interfaith Marriages.

Not to eat the flesh of an ox that was condemned to be stoned (Ex. 21:28) (negative).
Not to eat flesh with milk (Ex. 34:26) (according to the Talmud, this passage is a distinct prohibition


Not to compel the Hebrew servant to do the work of a slave (Lev. 25:39) (negative).
Not to compel the Hebrew servant to do the work of a slave (Lev. 25:39) (negative).

Not to prophesy falsely (Deut. 18:20) (CCN175).
Jews had slaves?
Not to refrain from putting a false prophet to death nor to be in fear of him (Deut. 18:22) (negative).

Not to wear garments made of wool and linen mixed together (Deut. 22:11) (CCN181).

That the seed of copulation defiles (Lev. 15:16) (affirmative).
That eight species of creeping things defile by contact (Lev. 11:29-30) (affirmative).
That a menstruating woman is unclean and defiles others (Lev. 15:19-24) (affirmative)
 
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