What is the Trumper's vision of the country if they had their way?

[laughing dog]

Makes no difference who has the gold in the ground, it is who has the gold in their central banks. Having physical gold became so strategic and important that in 1971, Nixon was forced by France to default on original bretton woods terms. And had he not defaulted when he did, all gold saved in the US would be gone now. I think I agree with this. We do disagree whether pro-cyclical is bad. I believe capitalism requires cycles of boom or bust in order to be efficient, so the weak badly managed firms go out of business The dead wood has to be cleared out in such a way that wage employees are protected though. but the dead wood has to be cleared out or many zombies will hurt the economy as a whole.

A growing economy need more money. Under commodity money (a gold standard) that requires more gold. A country can only acquire more gold in 3 ways: trade products and services with other countries for gold, mine more gold or convert gold from jewelry and other uses into money. When the world economies are growing, the only method for having more gold is to mine it from the ground. That means that countries with unmined gold have control over the world's supply of money when the world economy is growing,

Moreover, your economic history is mistaken. France did not force Nixon to go off the gold standard. He had the option of devaluing the dollar. But he recognized, as did almost every economically literate person, that the gold standard was not sustainable.

Market value of many assets have been drastically warped by artificial fed policy. Asset prices (such as homes in California) are bubbled completely out of wack because low interest causes competition from lower wage earners who should not be in the market. The price to earning ratio of the stock market is telling us the same thing with those assets as well.

Implicit in your argument is the false notion of "true market value". There is no such thing as "artificial" policy of any type.

Economic power and wealth is extremely important. As the CCP becomes wealthy and powerful they are able to control and influence the US government with bribes and corruption. They also are buying up Hollywood with the purpose to sway our population towards their ideology. Eventually the US will become a colony of the CCP just as we were a colony of Britain before our independence.

I am sorry, but that sounds very much like paranoia to m

]But our trade surplus has vastly changed since 1971.

Sure it has - most of the civilized world has recovered from the devastation of World War 2. It was easy for the US to run trade surpluses when the productive capacity of most of its competitors had been destroyed. It took Europe about 20 years to rebuild.

An interesting historical study of the growth and decline of the influence of the "great powers" is Paul Kennedy's The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers". I recommend it - it is well written and very informative. Any summary will not do it justice, but basically his thesis is that all "great" Western powers fell due to over-extension of their military dominion.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

At present, the fed is at interest zero, while very soon likely to lose its independence with the US treasury. They have already stated they will buy whatever is necessary and some say that direct stimulus from the treasury is next. The graphs of deficit spending are looking very much like a hockey stick and many are wondering how the fiat dollar can survive as a reserve currency any longer.

You voted for this, why are you objecting to it?

 

[Lumpenproletariat]

What is the Trumper's vision of the country if they had their way?

Same as Biden's: "jobs! jobs! jobs! jobs! jobs! jobs! jobs! jobs! jobs!"

especially more factory jobs, and steel mill jobs to keep troublemakers like RVonse off the streets. Biden is promising to outdo Trump at creating more "jobs" for crybabies.

 

[RVonse]

What is the Trumper's vision of the country if they had their way?

Same as Biden's: "jobs! jobs! jobs! jobs! jobs! jobs! jobs! jobs! jobs!"

especially more factory jobs, and steel mill jobs to keep troublemakers like RVonse off the streets. Biden is promising to outdo Trump at creating more "jobs" for crybabies.

You are not paying attention Lumpen. Biden wants the great reset: https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehil...-devotion-to-radical-great-reset-movement?amp

Trump wanted imdividual liberty and prosperity. Biden wants no one to own anything and everyone to rent from Davos.

 

[RVonse]

At present, the fed is at interest zero, while very soon likely to lose its independence with the US treasury. They have already stated they will buy whatever is necessary and some say that direct stimulus from the treasury is next. The graphs of deficit spending are looking very much like a hockey stick and many are wondering how the fiat dollar can survive as a reserve currency any longer.

You voted for this, why are you objecting to it?

I did not vote for the fed. That private organization was created during the Wilson administration long before I was born.

 

[ZiprHead]

New Congresswoman Mary Miller Praises Hitler In Trump Rally Speech
Rep. Miller of Illinois states that "Hitler was right on one thing," when speaking to Trump supporters in Washington, D.C.

Rep. Mary Miller (R-IL) has been a Congresswoman for approximately 9 minutes, and saw fit to make herself famous by quoting Adolf Hitler in her speech supporting Trump's attempted coup to overturn Biden's win in the 2020 election.

Addressing her fellow Nazis in Washington, D.C., Miller said,

If we win a few elections, we’re still going to be losing unless we win the hearts and minds of our children. This is the battle. Hitler was right on one thing. He said, "Whoever has the youth has the future."
Um...let's be clear. Hitler was right about NOTHING except how effective the stoking of hatred can be.

Is this your king?

Whoever has the youth has the future. My teaching will be hard. Weakness will be knocked out of them. A violently active, dominating, brutal youth — that is what I am after."

 

[Worldtraveller]

I did Nazi that coming.

 

[Angra Mainyu]

It's a simple question. Can anyone answer?

Minimal sarcasm, please.

1. America first and closely follow what is actually written in our Constitution
2. Disengage from globalism and get out of all the fake wars. No new wars started unless Congress declares them (see#1 above)
3. Lower income taxes for the middle class and higher taxes for the ultra rich
4. Everyone is given equal opportunity but no one is moved closer to the finish line. No racism, no sexism, no identity politics and no affirmative action anywhere.
No favoritism for anyone and everyone succeeds or fails according their ability.
5. Smaller government. Combine the NSA and TSA. Combine the FBI and CIA. Crusade to remove many layers of administrative bureaucracy.
6. Use the money saved on #2 above and focus on advancement and acquisition of high value manufacturing. And de-focus on low value agriculture and mineral/oil mining industries.
7. See number #1 above, set up a task force how to best compete with the CCP in order to ensure continuing democracy.
8. See number #1 above, anchor our reserve dollar back to real money (perhaps gold again) and make it competitive with newer block chain technology.

That's what you think trumpers want?

Why do you laugh? He almost certainly knows a lot more Trump supporters than you do, and a lot better. He is definitely a lot more interested in reading their opinions. I would expect RVonse to be in a much better position to describe what many or even most Trump supporters want than you are, simply because he's dedicated a lot more time and effort to read their websites, the views they defend, etc.

To put it in a different way, how do you think RVonse came up with that reply, if not by using information he got from sites/generally media that support Trump?

By the way, what do you think they want?

 

[ronburgundy]

As was proven during the 2016 campaign, yesterday, and ever day in between.

1. White supremacy (yesterday there were Hitler quotes, leader of known white supremacist groups, and pro-slavery flags).
2. Destruction of basic rights, including voting rights, for anyone not in their ingroup.
3. The ability of the rich and corporations to plunder the commons and shared natural resources without limit, no matter the objective harm caused to health and well being of the majority of humanity.
4. Fascistic rule by their preferred bigoted theocratic despot.
5. Larger government when comes to robbing women of their most basic human rights to control the insides of their own body and forcing right wing Christianity an prayer on people, but smaller government whenever the government seeks to protect minorities from violence and abuse by the majority or by local governments controlled by fascist theocrats.
6. Policy and social norms that assume that slavery, Jim Crow, and institutional racism do not and never have existed, and thus every current inequality is nothing but the consequence of the inherent merits of each person (see #1 for a summary).

 

[ZiprHead]

What is the Trumper's vision of the country if they had their way?

Same as Biden's: "jobs! jobs! jobs! jobs! jobs! jobs! jobs! jobs! jobs!"

especially more factory jobs, and steel mill jobs to keep troublemakers like RVonse off the streets. Biden is promising to outdo Trump at creating more "jobs" for crybabies.

You are not paying attention Lumpen. Biden wants the great reset: https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehil...-devotion-to-radical-great-reset-movement?amp

Trump wanted imdividual liberty and prosperity. Biden wants no one to own anything and everyone to rent from Davos.

Jesus, you take any piece of bullshit from the right without question. Do you realize how moronic that makes you look?

Justin Haskins, the writer of that piece of swill, is the editorial director of the Heartland Institute. Per Media Bias Fact Check:

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE

A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence (Learn More). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact checked on a per article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source. See all Questionable sources.

Overall, we rate the Heartland Institute Right Biased and Questionable based on the promotion of anti-science propaganda, lack of transparency with funding, and more than 5 failed fact checks by IFCN fact-checkers.

They're professional liars.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Er...Trump wanted "individual liberty and prosperity"????? But you forgot to name the individual he wanted them for. Shall l name him for you? Ask politely, and I will.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

At present, the fed is at interest zero, while very soon likely to lose its independence with the US treasury. They have already stated they will buy whatever is necessary and some say that direct stimulus from the treasury is next. The graphs of deficit spending are looking very much like a hockey stick and many are wondering how the fiat dollar can survive as a reserve currency any longer.

You voted for this, why are you objecting to it?

I did not vote for the fed. That private organization was created during the Wilson administration long before I was born.

A vote for Republicans is a vote for exploding deficits.

 

[fromderinside]

Found it!

 

[GenesisNemesis]

RVonse presumably voted for Trump. So did I. This thread doesn’t describe me at all.

1. Fuck your feelings.
2. You constantly caricature people on the left as "communists". You're now complaining about being caricatured yourself? You reap what you sow. Fuck your feelings.
3. You voted for someone who believes "the only good democrat is a dead democrat" and you still stand by him. So yup, I don't give a shit about your poor whittle feelings.

 

[Angra Mainyu]

RVonse presumably voted for Trump. So did I. This thread doesn’t describe me at all.

1. Fuck your feelings.
2. You constantly caricature people on the left as "communists". You're now complaining about being caricatured yourself? You reap what you sow. Fuck your feelings.
3. You voted for someone who believes "the only good democrat is a dead democrat" and you still stand by him. So yup, I don't give a shit about your poor whittle feelings.

It's not about Trausti's feelings. It's about the truth. It's about what Trump supporters actually want. If they are being misrepresented and you believe it, you end up with false beliefs.

 

[ZiprHead]

RVonse presumably voted for Trump. So did I. This thread doesn’t describe me at all.

1. Fuck your feelings.
2. You constantly caricature people on the left as "communists". You're now complaining about being caricatured yourself? You reap what you sow. Fuck your feelings.
3. You voted for someone who believes "the only good democrat is a dead democrat" and you still stand by him. So yup, I don't give a shit about your poor whittle feelings.

It's not about Trausti's feelings. It's about the truth. It's about what Trump supporters actually want. If they are being misrepresented and you believe it, you end up with false beliefs.

And I've asked Trausti to tell us what he wants instead of sniping from the corner. He's yet to do so.

 

[Ahab]

It's a simple question. Can anyone answer?

Minimal sarcasm, please.

1. America first and closely follow what is actually written in our Constitution
2. Disengage from globalism and get out of all the fake wars. No new wars started unless Congress declares them (see#1 above)
3. Lower income taxes for the middle class and higher taxes for the ultra rich
4. Everyone is given equal opportunity but no one is moved closer to the finish line. No racism, no sexism, no identity politics and no affirmative action anywhere.
No favoritism for anyone and everyone succeeds or fails according their ability.
5. Smaller government. Combine the NSA and TSA. Combine the FBI and CIA. Crusade to remove many layers of administrative bureaucracy.
6. Use the money saved on #2 above and focus on advancement and acquisition of high value manufacturing. And de-focus on low value agriculture and mineral/oil mining industries.
7. See number #1 above, set up a task force how to best compete with the CCP in order to ensure continuing democracy, freedom, and liberty.
8. See number #1 above, anchor our reserve dollar back to real money (perhaps gold again) and make it competitive with newer block chain technology.

That doesn't comport with my experience in trying to engage Trumpsters in online discussions.

The elimination of abortion and the freedom to carry a gun wherever they go seem to be the top two concerns. Third would be the establishment of Christianity (the conservative variety - liberal Christians are as bad as atheists in their view) as the number one cultural and moral influence in the country.

I'm not denying that there may be many Trumpsters who support the items in RVonse's list, just pointing out that the one's I've mentioned seem to be more important to them.

 

[Ahab]

It's not about Trausti's feelings. It's about the truth. It's about what Trump supporters actually want. If they are being misrepresented and you believe it, you end up with false beliefs.

And I've asked Trausti to tell us what he wants instead of sniping from the corner. He's yet to do so.

Yes I'd like to know also.

 

[ideologyhunter]

What I hear most often from Trumpsters is their absolute love of his trash talking. They really, really hate liberals and the media, and they swarmed to Trump happily when they heard his jeering, insulting tone. Who else encouraged them to shriek "Lock her up"? McCain lectured supporters when they trashed Obama. Trump told them it was good to despise the enemy -- and that the opposition was the enemy, even "the enemy of the people", which is -- what -- a quote from Lenin? Stalin? Doesn't matter. BTW, this meant that it was useless to tell them that I found his profanity to be shocking and a sign that he was unfit for the office. They didn't give a shit -- cussing made Trump Trump. A man's man. He tells it like it is. So when he acted out the struggles of a handicapped reporter or pretended he was Kavanaugh's whimpering accuser, his cruelty matched theirs. They loved him for it.

 

[Angra Mainyu]

It's not about Trausti's feelings. It's about the truth. It's about what Trump supporters actually want. If they are being misrepresented and you believe it, you end up with false beliefs.

And I've asked Trausti to tell us what he wants instead of sniping from the corner. He's yet to do so.

Given your reply to someone who did explain, it's understandable that Trausti pointed out that the thread misrepresents his views, but chose not to engage. If you look at the exchanges rather than the OP, this thread seems not like an attempt to know about what Trump supporters want for the country, but simply about condemning Trump supporters.