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What REALLY happened on that United Flight with the Muslim Passenger?

Axulus

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From the moment the news story broke, the claim brought forth by Tahera Ahmad, a Muslim American chaplain at Northwestern University, about a United Flight Attendant (who was actually a Shuttle America flight attendant working a United Express Flight) struck me as odd. Why wouldn’t a flight attendant give anyone a full can of soda? The excuse Ahmad claims she was handed by the flight attendant was that passengers “may use it as a weapon.” That’s something I’ve never heard a flight attendant say. In fact… what?!

Passengers can buy a drink in the airport terminal, post security, and are allowed to keep the unopened can or bottle and board the plane with it. If you buy a beer on board, you get the full can. There’s no way the flight attendant said those words. I also don’t believe that the passengers around her chimed in saying:

“You Muslim, you need to shut the … up,” and said that “You know you would use it as a weapon.”

What flight have you been on where this has happened? Wouldn’t a riot have broken out between passengers? This news story would have unfolded differently. Faced with the news and social media running with this one side of the story, United responded quickly saying “Flight attendant who denied unopened soda can to Muslim will no longer serve United customers” and apologized. But, can you read between the lines? No? What if I told you that the flight attendant “no longer serving” is actually, still employed? Would that lead you to believe the airline knows she did nothing wrong? Keep reading!

As you know there’s three sides to every story– and here’s the second and third. I did my research and spoke to persons close to the matter within the industry and quickly obtained more facts.

A member on FlyerTalk.com, an online community of frequently flyers, was on board this eventful flight. They weren’t involved in the situation but watched it unfold from across the aisle and posted his/her side of the story.

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Ahh, now the plot thickens. A completely different point of view on what’s happened and a view which sounds a bit more realistic.

Could this whole situation be one big misinterpretation and misunderstanding?

The commonality between both stories is the that the flight attendant did not provide Amhad with a can of Coke Zero. And there’s probably a valid reason for that. Speaking with flight attendants from Shuttle America, there are only 4 cans of Coke Zero per beverage cart on the flight in question. So, the flight attendant may not have been able to give Amhad a full, unopened can because one didn’t exist if the flight attendant had already used her supply. Now, Amhad may have perceived her not receiving the full can as some form of discrimination after seeing another passenger get a full can of beer, but may not have been fully aware of the facts behind why she wasn’t provided a full can of Coke Zero.

With that said, we also know that what the passenger posted regarding the can of Diet Coke being delivered to Amhad first holds some weight. This is further supported by the fact that United Airlines and Shuttle America initially characterized this situation as a “misunderstanding regarding a can of diet soda;” a statement that Ahmad and others pilloried on social media as trivializing. Were the trivializing it or just stating the truth? If she received a can of diet soda (unopened or not) but couldn’t get a can of Coke Zero, was the flight attendant actually discriminating against her or was she simply out of stock?

It’s no secret that airlines are quick to fire flight attendants over customer service situations. Bad press is something no airline wants, especially press that associates their brand with discrimination and bad customer service. But, let’s say for a second that Amhad’s story is true and other passengers on the plane substantiated what happened, the flight attendant would surely be terminated. That’s uncalled for, unprofessional and honestly sickening. But read the statement from United and the headlines closely: “Flight attendant who denied unopened soda can to Muslim will no longer serve United customers”, “Flight Attendant Who Refused Muslim Woman Soda Will ‘No Longer Serve”, “United says it will no longer use flight attendant who denied Muslim woman unopened soda can.” Nothing says the flight attendant was ‘fired’ it says, she won’t serve United customers.

Republic Airways Holdings operates Shuttle America and Republic Airlines. Those two carriers operate shorter, regional flights for United, Delta, American and US Airways. Now wait a minute. Why would Shuttle America keep someone employed and reassign them to another one of their airline partners if they’re known to discriminate? Why didn’t United press for her termination? They’re very quick to do so usually, remember the 13 flight attendants they fired in one clean sweep? This doesn’t make sense. Unless.. they know Amhad’s story isn’t true.

Through the investigation into this matter airline officials have had to check the validity of the post on FlyerTalk, and can do so various ways (i.e. the passengers seat assignment) and maybe discovered that things didn’t unfold on board as first thought. But why haven’t we heard about it? Why hasn’t United or Shuttle America stepped up and said (a few days later, mind you): “Wait a minute! Our flight attendant may not be wholly at fault!” Because that would create a worse PR nightmare than what initially transpired. It would look disrespectful and unsympathetic.

So, without the public cleansing of her name (which thankfully was kept quiet unlike Ericka’s) this flight attendant gets to keep her job. She’s obviously been reassigned away from the United brand to appease those who were upset, but she’s still flying. However, a lot of Shuttle America’s crew bases are “airline brand” specific, so she must now commute to/from work because of a can of Coke Zero. But sources confirm that she is being provided with full-fare round trip flights from her home to her new base.

An awfully nice perk for some who allegedly discriminates against her passengers.

Editors Update: 6/8/15 1:45am EST

Also, here’s another passenger comment about the situation (though this one hasn’t been confirmed by the article’s author) as supplied by a reader:

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http://savvystews.com/2015/06/what-really-happened-on-that-united-flight-with-the-muslim-passenger
 
Could this whole situation be one big misinterpretation and misunderstanding?

It sounds more plausible. If anyone, flight attendants would see more Muslim people on a daily basis, so it would be weird for such a horrific display to suddenly be an issue.
 
Could this whole situation be one big misinterpretation and misunderstanding?

It sounds more plausible. If anyone, flight attendants would see more Muslim people on a daily basis, so it would be weird for such a horrific display to suddenly be an issue.

Doesn't sound like a misunderstanding. Sounds like a very dishonest and unethical woman trying to ruin someone else's life and career in order to to gain some notoriety and some form of payout.
The airline the FA should contact the other passengers as witnesses and sue this woman into poverty for defamation.
 
Those damn Muslims.

They're all the same.

I never once met a rude Christian that flipped out the second they didn't get what they wanted.
 
Could this whole situation be one big misinterpretation and misunderstanding?

It sounds more plausible. If anyone, flight attendants would see more Muslim people on a daily basis, so it would be weird for such a horrific display to suddenly be an issue.

Doesn't sound like a misunderstanding. Sounds like a very dishonest and unethical woman trying to ruin someone else's life and career in order to to gain some notoriety and some form of payout.
The airline the FA should contact the other passengers as witnesses and sue this woman into poverty for defamation.

One of these comments is lucid.
 
It sounds more plausible. If anyone, flight attendants would see more Muslim people on a daily basis, so it would be weird for such a horrific display to suddenly be an issue.

Doesn't sound like a misunderstanding. Sounds like a very dishonest and unethical woman trying to ruin someone else's life and career in order to to gain some notoriety and some form of payout.
The airline the FA should contact the other passengers as witnesses and sue this woman into poverty for defamation.

No, it sounds like someone who sees a difference and categorically believes it's due to discrimination no matter what they are told. I suspect she thought her argument was valid, she just didn't understand the limitations of reality.

We have posters on here who take a disparate outcome as proof of discrimination, I don't see this idiot having done anything more than that.
 
I have no horse in this race but are we just believing anonymous people that post comments to news stories? Because if so I can report that I was on that flight and she shouted Allah Snackbar and tried to hijack the plane.
 
I have no horse in this race but are we just believing anonymous people that post comments to news stories? Because if so I can report that I was on that flight and she shouted Allah Snackbar and tried to hijack the plane.

It was backed up by the author's investigation that the FA had not been fired and the oddity of the alleged incident given that any passenger can purchase full cans and bottles of beverages at the terminal post security. It also doesn't ring true that no passenger stood up to such outrageous alleged abuse. It is also consistent with the airline's description of the incident as a "misunderstanding", which is indicative of the airline's failure to collaborate her story with the other passengers.
 
I have no horse in this race but are we just believing anonymous people that post comments to news stories? Because if so I can report that I was on that flight and she shouted Allah Snackbar and tried to hijack the plane.

It was backed up by the author's investigation that the FA had not been fired and the oddity of the alleged incident given that any passenger can purchase full cans and bottles of beverages at the terminal post security. It also doesn't ring true that no passenger stood up to such outrageous alleged abuse. It is also consistent with the airline's description of the incident as a "misunderstanding", which is indicative of the airline's failure to collaborate her story with the other passengers.

As I said no dog in the fight, not even totally sure what the fight is about but airlines being dicks to Muslims and brownish people in general for the last 14 years is not new.
 
Doesn't sound like a misunderstanding. Sounds like a very dishonest and unethical woman trying to ruin someone else's life and career in order to to gain some notoriety and some form of payout.
The airline the FA should contact the other passengers as witnesses and sue this woman into poverty for defamation.

No, it sounds like someone who sees a difference and categorically believes it's due to discrimination no matter what they are told. I suspect she thought her argument was valid, she just didn't understand the limitations of reality.


IF the other passengers are telling the truth, then she clearly deliberately lied about the basic facts of what happened, what was said and done, and lied about her own emotional state (that she was "in tears"), which shows deliberate intent to misconstrue, not an honest misunderstanding on her part or an over-reaction to what actually occurred. It shows that she knew that what actually happened was not indicative of discrimination, so she lied about what happened to make it appear that way and to justify her false claims of being so emotionally devastated by it (a clear attempt to money grab). Her going online immediately to tell these lies only bolstered that she manufactured the situation for attention and money.

We have posters on here who take a disparate outcome as proof of discrimination, I don't see this idiot having done anything more than that.

Any claims on here regarding discrimination that rise to this woman's level of insanity and unreason are also likely NOT cases of honest misunderstanding, but rather deliberate distortion of reality for ulterior motives. In those cases the ulterior motive is to support a general ideological view by misrepresenting specific instances. Here the motive for willful unreason is likely more self-serving attention and money grabbing.

Regardless, such reckless and harmful unreason should be punished. IF she made specific false claims about this women (and by proxy the airline she worked for), they should sue her for defamation.
 
It was backed up by the author's investigation that the FA had not been fired and the oddity of the alleged incident given that any passenger can purchase full cans and bottles of beverages at the terminal post security. It also doesn't ring true that no passenger stood up to such outrageous alleged abuse. It is also consistent with the airline's description of the incident as a "misunderstanding", which is indicative of the airline's failure to collaborate her story with the other passengers.

As I said no dog in the fight, not even totally sure what the fight is about but airlines being dicks to Muslims and brownish people in general for the last 14 years is not new.

You're assuming she was in the right yet the evidence says otherwise.
 
OK. OK. OK.

A non-event involving a lying scarfed Muslim young person. wow. Let's go over France's problems with head wear in classrooms again for the umpteenth time.

This is more important than Netanyaho abandoning the radical Israeli settlers about ending negotiations right after they voted him in.

Wha

meh.
 
Seems like very weak evidence. This case seems to have almost no evidence in any direction.
But that won't stop a big lawsuit from being filed tout suite.

A lawyer worth their salt will understand that airlines run out of specific selections on the food & drink carts. If you care about the choices get a low-numbered seat--and even that doesn't protect you from drink carts running out by the end of a very long flight. I haven't done a polar flight in more than 30 years, I expect shortages on the drink cart on TPAC flights.
 
But that won't stop a big lawsuit from being filed tout suite.

A lawyer worth their salt will understand that airlines run out of specific selections on the food & drink carts. If you care about the choices get a low-numbered seat--and even that doesn't protect you from drink carts running out by the end of a very long flight. I haven't done a polar flight in more than 30 years, I expect shortages on the drink cart on TPAC flights.

I don't. I expect the airlines to plan for the appropriate supply level based on the duration of the flight. Almost everywhere is a long flight away when you live in Australia, and the airlines generally know better than to risk running out of beer. Of course, the beer tends to be the local swill from the airport of departure, except on Lufthansa - they ship German beer worldwide by seafreight just so they can stock up aircraft for the return leg. They have a partnership with Warsteiner, which is the official beer of the airline. (Even Qantas doesn't have an official beer, although they did start stocking more upmarket Aussie beers, in place of the more popular low end VB and Crown as of last year).
 
A lawyer worth their salt will understand that airlines run out of specific selections on the food & drink carts. If you care about the choices get a low-numbered seat--and even that doesn't protect you from drink carts running out by the end of a very long flight. I haven't done a polar flight in more than 30 years, I expect shortages on the drink cart on TPAC flights.

I don't. I expect the airlines to plan for the appropriate supply level based on the duration of the flight. Almost everywhere is a long flight away when you live in Australia, and the airlines generally know better than to risk running out of beer. Of course, the beer tends to be the local swill from the airport of departure, except on Lufthansa - they ship German beer worldwide by seafreight just so they can stock up aircraft for the return leg. They have a partnership with Warsteiner, which is the official beer of the airline. (Even Qantas doesn't have an official beer, although they did start stocking more upmarket Aussie beers, in place of the more popular low end VB and Crown as of last year).

I expect the total quantity on the carts to be reasonable but I don't expect them to be able to always have enough of every single item on the cart.
 
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