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What the Bible says about: The End of the World

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A Response To The Skeptic's Annotated Bible: What The Bible Says About The End Of The World

The SAB indicates that, according to the Bible, the end would come within the lifetime of Jesus' listeners. I will demonstrate why this is not the case by explaining the verses they use to conclude this. They mistake the transfiguration, the destruction of Jerusalem, Jesus being at the right hand of power, and John's Revelation at Patmos.

Matthew 16:28 - Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. (Also see Mark 9:1; Luke 9:27)

The Interpreter's Bible says: "The prediction was not fulfilled, and later Christians found it necessary to explain that it was metaphorical."

What believers and skeptics alike seem to have glossed over is the fact that in the very next verse Matthew reveals that just 6 days later this prophecy was fulfilled. Peter, James and John witnessed the transfiguration. (Matthew 17:1-2; Luke 9:27-36; 2 Peter 1:16-18)

Matthew 23:36 - Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. (Also see Matthew 24:34; Mark 13:30; Luke 21:32)

All of the above verses differ from the verses given in consideration of Matthew 16:28. British scholar G. R. Beasley-Murray: "The phrase 'this generation' should cause no difficulty for interpreters. While admittedly genea in earlier Greek meant birth, progeny, and so race, . . . in the [Greek Septuagint] it most frequently translated the Hebrew term dor, meaning age, age of humankind, or generation in the sense of contemporaries. . . . In sayings attributed to Jesus the term appears to have a twofold connotation: on the one hand it always signifies his contemporaries, and on the other hand it always carries an implicit criticism."

So Jesus could have been directing that statement to the Jewish opposition there around him at that time, who, within a generation would see the destruction of Jerusalem in 66 - 70 CE by Titus, the son of Emperor Vespasian where 1,100,000 Jews died and 97,000 were taken captive, most of whom died horrible deaths and the Christians who knew it would come were saved. (Matthew 24:16, 22) And Jesus may have been applying the same to those in opposition in the future as well.

Matthew 26:64 and Mark 14:62 are parallel accounts to one another and you won't have to wait or look far to see them fulfilled. Acts 7:55-56: "But he, being full of holy spirit gazed into heaven and caught sight of God's glory and of Jesus standing at God's right hand, and he said: "Look! I behold the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God's right hand." Also see Psalm 110:1; Luke 22:69; Ephesians 1:20; Colossians 3:1.

John 21:20-23 is somewhat interesting. Jesus may have been telling Peter that John would live longer than him, and in fact John would live 70 years, but also he might have been referring to the prophetic vision that John was given at the end of his life while in exile on the island of Patmos. As recorded in the book of Revelation John was transported to "the Lords day." (Revelation 1:1, 10; Revelation 22:20)

[SAB] - The end will come within the lifetime of the New Testament authors.

Response: Jesus taught his followers that no one, not even Jesus himself, knew the time of the end of the world. (Matthew 24:36; Mark 13:32; Acts 1:7) It's important to note that Jehovah God doesn't see into the future like a crystal ball simply because the future doesn't exist. When God foretells something that means that either it is obvious to him, with a great deal more experience and resources than us, that something is going to happen or he is going to make sure it happens. What Jesus meant is that God will know when the time is right and act accordingly.

Also at this point some clarification should be made as to what exactly is the "end of the world." The Bible says that Earth was given to man for him to fill and subdue it, that the meek will inherit the earth and live forever upon it, and that it will last forever. (Genesis 1:28; Psalm 37:29; 115:16; Ecclesiastes 1:4) The end of the world is the end of the present system of things and all that involves. Of Satan's influence and sin, which, when concluding brings much destruction, but when ended, allows peace. Pretty much government, religion and commerce. Sin, death, sickness, greed, etc.

1 Corinthians 1:7-8; 7:29; Philippians 1:10 all convey the importance of the missionary work in the early stages of Christianity. They all had important work to do before the end of their lives. Nowhere in any of these passages is it conveyed that they expected the end of the system of things to occur during that time.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 is often used to support the rapture, but actually it is referring to some who were mourning the death of their fellow Christians. Paul was reminding them as well as faithful Christians in the future of the resurrection hope, some to heaven immediately upon death and some to paradise earth upon resurrection.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 refers to the presence of Jesus Christ. The Greek noun parousia is used. It means "being alongside." In his work on The Parousia, Israel P. Warren, D.D., wrote: "Had our translators done with this technical word 'parousia' as they did with 'baptisma,' - transferring it unchanged, - or if translated using its exact etymological equivalent, presence, and had it been well understood, as it then would have been, that there is no such thing as a 'Second Presence,' I believe that the entire doctrine would have been different from what it now is. The phrases, 'second advent,' and 'second coming,' would never have been heard of. The church would have been taught to speak of The Presence Of The Lord, as that from which its hopes were to be realized, whether in the near future or at the remotest period, - that under which the world was to be made new, a resurrection both spiritual and corporeal should be attained, and justice and everlasting awards administered."

The word occurs 24 times in the Christian Greek scripture: Matthew 24:3, 27, 37, 39; 1 Corinthians 15:23; 16:17; 2 Corinthians 7:6, 7; 10:10; Philippians 1:26; 2:12; 1 Thessalonians 2:19; 3:13; 4:15; 5:23; 2 Thessalonians 2:1, 8, 9; James 5:7, 8; 2 Peter 1:16; 3:4, 12; 1 John 2:28.

Pareimi is a related verb with the similar meaning of being present. It also occurs 24 times in the Christian Greek scripture: Matthew 26:50; Luke 13:1; John 7:6; 11:28; Acts 10:21, 33; 12:20; 17:6; 24:19; Acts 12:20; 1 Corinthians 5:3, 3; 2 Corinthians 10:2, 11; 2 Corinthians 11:9; 13:2, 10; Galatians 4:18, 20; Colossians 1:6; Hebrews 12:11; 13:5; 2 Peter 1:9, 12; Revelation 17:8.

The Greek word, eleusis (Latin adventu), which conveys the physical act of coming is different and only occurs once in the Christian Greek scripture, at Acts 7:52. Paul was encouraging those with a heavenly hope to remain blameless until their death, or the conclusion of the system of things and the presence, not the physical presence, of Jesus Christ.

In discussing Hebrews 1:2; 9:26; 1 Peter 1:20; 4:7 it is somewhat difficult to stay on topic of the so called end of the world because the last days that Paul was referring to were not the last days of the present system of things, but rather the last days of the Jewish system of things. Jehovah had given the prophecy of those days 850 years earlier. (Joel 2:28-32; Acts 2:16-21; Hebrews 1:1-2) It was the end of God's favor upon the Jewish congregation and the beginning of his favor for the new Christian congregation.

1 John 2:18 refers to the end of the apostolic period. The work mentioned as important in the scriptures at the beginning of this article were near completion and would conclude upon the death of John shortly after he completed the writing of Revelation.

[SAB] - The end will come soon. (Within a couple thousand years or so)

Response: It is interesting that, as with the case of Philippians 4:5, the Lord that is being referred to isn't Jesus Christ but rather, Jehovah. Codex Sinaiticus, Greek, fourth century C.E., Codex Alexandrinus, Greek, fifth century C.E., Vatican ms 1209, Greek, fourth century C.E., Christian Greek Scriptures in 12 languages, including Hebrew, by Elias Hutter, Nuremberg, 1599, Christian Greek Scriptures, Hebrew, by William Robertson, London, 1661, and the Latin Vulgate, by Jerome, c. 400 C.E. (Iuxta Vulgatam Versionem) all read Jehovah.

James 5:7-8 is talking about the presence (parousia) mentioned earlier in this article.

At Hebrews 10:37 Paul quotes Habakkuk 2:2-3 from the Greek Septuagint, which reads "And the Lord answered [me] and said: Write a vision; write it distinctly in a book that the reader may trace these things [may run]; for the vision is for a time yet to come. But it will spring up at last and will not be vain. Though he may tarry, wait for him; for he will assuredly come and will not fail [and will not tarry]."

Revelation 1:1, 3; 3:11; 22:7, 12, 20 may undoubtedly amuse the skeptic, who, of course, is familiar with the Biblical fact that a thousand years are as a watch in the night to God (Psalm 90:4), but to the writers of the Bible, especially John when writing Revelation and who would die shortly afterward, the resurrection hope would follow sleep in death which would seem, upon that resurrection, as the same day as they died, though it actually had been thousands of years.​
 
In the end, DLH is just a bore.

Who's every word you hang upon as if he were Science almighty itself.
Not hardly. You just amuse me. Especially your obvious anger, bitterness and resentment, which one would not reasonably expect in one who has found The Truth. But, I know, now you’ll deny that you’ve found The Truth. Yawn.
 
In the end, DLH is just a bore.

Who's every word you hang upon as if he were Science almighty itself.
Not hardly. You just amuse me. Especially your obvious anger, bitterness and resentment, which one would not reasonably expect in one who has found The Truth. But, I know, now you’ll deny that you’ve found The Truth. Yawn.

 
I believe that posting a vid without explanatory context is a rules violation. Not that you would care. :rolleyes:
 
DLH is backed up against his last line of defense, calling people anti Jewish.

Desperation.

I am not anti Jewish or anti Russian as individuals.


I am anti Russia for what it does to Ukraine, am anti Israel at this point for its treatment Palestinians form the day it became a state.
 
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DLH is backed up against his last line of defense, calling people anti Jewish.

I know, I know. Ya' got me. Again. And again, and again.

Desperation.

@Politesse you get that?


I am not anti Jewish or anti Russian as individuals.

Good for you. I think that's great.

I am anti Russia for what it does to Ukraine, am anti Israel at this point for its treatment Palestinians form the day it became a state.

From that day, huh? Just from then? Okay. Great.
 
I believe that posting a vid without explanatory context is a rules violation. Not that you would care. :rolleyes:

You believe it?! I need citation! You don't expect me to take the word of the high priestess of the infidels for it, do you?
 
The distinction is between a general timeframe and a specific time within that period. A general timeframe is given - within the lifetime of those present, that generation would see it happen - but not exactly when.

Sorry about that, DBT. The villagers are stomping around with their torch songs again.

In the opening statement of the OP I say "The SAB indicates that, according to the Bible, the end would come within the lifetime of Jesus' listeners. I will demonstrate why this is not the case by explaining the verses they use to conclude this. They mistake the transfiguration, the destruction of Jerusalem, Jesus being at the right hand of power, and John's Revelation at Patmos."

Jesus, as you must know, always said no one knows that day except the Father. God. Jehovah. He didn't mean that God knew it then, he meant that God and only God, who Jesus wasn't, knows when the time is right. It isn't a fixed date. God doesn't see into the future. The future doesn't exist. God will know when the time is right. No one, not Jesus or God or anyone else, knew or were expecting the end of this world to come within a specific timeframe outside of the end days. The end days began when the world was founded. Specifically, when Adam and Eve first conceived.

Fuck.

The meaning of the word fuck is to throw down seed. The meaning of the Greek word katabole is exactly the same. The writers of the Christian Greek scriptures used that term often, as the founding of the world upon the blood of Abel and the prophets, for example, and in a more literal sense, Paul used it in reference to Abraham and Sarah's conception. (Hebrews 11:11)


The words - Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. (Matthew 16: 27, 28) - are quite clear.

You can't transform the meaning or the timeframe, or deny what was said and promised.

That 'no-one knows the exact day or hour does not contradict the wording of the promised return of Jesus in power and glory, which spans a generation, twenty years or so.

The fact is, it didn't happen as promised, so it's clearly a failure of prophesy.
 

The fact is, it didn't happen as promised, so it's clearly a failure of prophesy.
Bible events never run "clearly" in apologetics. They've got bungee texts.
God created the world in six days, but each day might've been a millenium.
All it takes is 8 people to keep the world's biggest zoo boat going...here's how it all makes sense... (TLDR!)
Jesus would return in power inside of one generation, but of course generation means the human species.
The sun going dark and the stars falling out of the sky -- that's a metaphor, y'know.
If you study this collection of fables long enough (say, 35 years), you learn that it's all explainable, and it's a lot like Silly Putty.
S-t-t-t-t-r-r-r-r-r-e-e-e-e-t-t-t-t-t-c-c-c-c-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h. Miracle!!
 
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The words - Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. (Matthew 16: 27, 28) - are quite clear.

Yes, they are, but they don't mean what you think they do. Some of them standing there, namely Peter, James and John, did see the Son of Man, coming in his kingdom.

You can't transform the meaning or the timeframe, or deny what was said and promised.

But that's what you're doing. You're doing something common with believers. Instead of seeing the text in context with the time and place it was written, that of the Jews waiting for the Messiah at the exact time when the Messiah was supposed to be there, you are seeing him in the light of a modern misinterpretation that sees him outside of the prophecy. I will show you below.

That 'no-one knows the exact day or hour does not contradict the wording of the promised return of Jesus in power and glory, which spans a generation, twenty years or so.

The return? Not the coming? Nowhere in scripture was Jesus supposed to return as a King and be a messiah (savior) like David was, delivering the nation of Israel from its oppressors. The prophecy was much greater than that. Some Jews think that will still happen, but it won't. Modern day Christians see it in that political sense as well, either with modern-day Israel or even America. It isn't going to happen. Modern day Israel and America are part of Satan's system and will be destroyed for God to set up his kingdom.

The fact is, it didn't happen as promised, so it's clearly a failure of prophesy.

Not as you think it was, but you're wrong about what that means.
 
The words - Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. (Matthew 16: 27, 28) - are quite clear.

Yes, they are, but they don't mean what you think they do. Some of them standing there, namely Peter, James and John, did see the Son of Man, coming in his kingdom.


That makes no sense whatsoever.

. The description of the return of Jesus in power and glory includes ''for all the tribes on earth to see and mourn,'' to gather the elect and to judge each man according to their deeds.

Non of the disciples saw that event. None of the 'tribes on earth' saw such an event.

As nothing happend as described, the event did not happen.

Your rationale doesn't take the key elements of the promised return into account, so it fails.


You can't transform the meaning or the timeframe, or deny what was said and promised.

But that's what you're doing. You're doing something common with believers. Instead of seeing the text in context with the time and place it was written, that of the Jews waiting for the Messiah at the exact time when the Messiah was supposed to be there, you are seeing him in the light of a modern misinterpretation that sees him outside of the prophecy. I will show you below.

I do nothing more than quote the verses and point to what is written and what they describe.

You ignore the key elements of the description and try to slip in an entirely different event.


That 'no-one knows the exact day or hour does not contradict the wording of the promised return of Jesus in power and glory, which spans a generation, twenty years or so.

The return? Not the coming? Nowhere in scripture was Jesus supposed to return as a King and be a messiah (savior) like David was, delivering the nation of Israel from its oppressors. The prophecy was much greater than that. Some Jews think that will still happen, but it won't. Modern day Christians see it in that political sense as well, either with modern-day Israel or even America. It isn't going to happen. Modern day Israel and America are part of Satan's system and will be destroyed for God to set up his kingdom.


Why do you ignore the given description of the event?

''For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds'' - this did not happen as promised.
And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.'' - this did not happen as described.


“Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.''

Has any of this happened?

Obviously not.
 
That makes no sense whatsoever.

I think it makes no sense to you because you are conflating everything together. The first paragraph of the OP points out that.

"The SAB indicates that, according to the Bible, the end would come within the lifetime of Jesus' listeners. I will demonstrate why this is not the case by explaining the verses they use to conclude this. They mistake the transfiguration, the destruction of Jerusalem, Jesus being at the right hand of power, and John's Revelation at Patmos."

You are taking several prophecies about different events and lumping them all together as one event the Bible never actually says will happen. It was never meant to happen. Jesus was never meant to come to Earth and be a king of a kingdom on earth. He is the prince of God's Kingdom of which the Earth is part of, along with heaven. Jesus was never meant to come again other than his resurrection as seen by his disciples.

The description of the return of Jesus in power and glory includes ''for all the tribes on earth to see and mourn,'' to gather the elect and to judge each man according to their deeds.

Yes. When God decides that he is going to put an end to the temporary arrangement of kingdoms on Earth, i.e. America, Israel, China, etc. destroying them and setting up his own kingdom; God's kingdom replaces all of Satan's kingdoms, where man rules. From then on God's kingdom with Jesus ruling will be all there is.

Non of the disciples saw that event. None of the 'tribes on earth' saw such an event.

As nothing happend as described, the event did not happen.

Correct. That specific event obviously has not happened.

Your rationale doesn't take the key elements of the promised return into account, so it fails.

Again, you're conflating events that either have happened as the Bible said they would, or haven't yet happened as the Bible says they will, with an event that the Bible never says will happen. Jesus said to his followers no one knows but God when Jesus begins his rule, but what has happened are some of the events leading up to that as a part of the end times, which began with Adam's sin and ends with Jesus ruling from heaven over God's kingdom, part of which is Earth.

I do nothing more than quote the verses and point to what is written and what they describe.

That's what I did in the OP.

You ignore the key elements of the description and try to slip in an entirely different event.

[laughs] That's what I think you are doing. It could be that we misunderstand one another, this stuff gets confusing, but I think that it's that you are conflating like I said above. I can go briefly over all of the Bible prophecies needed to show you but I'm not sure you would care and it would be a fair amount of work to put that together. I don't want to do it if no one cares one way or the other. And really, I think the OP should suffice at least to begin to show you what was going on with all of it.

The problem is that when it says in Matthew 16:28 that some standing would see Jesus you take that to mean after Armageddon Jesus here on earth as king? It's more like some of them there saw the transfiguration which was sort of like the US election where the president is selected but not acting as president until January.

Why do you ignore the given description of the event?

''For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds'' - this did not happen as promised.
And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.'' - this did not happen as described.

“Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.''

Has any of this happened?

Obviously not.

Correct. And wasn't expected to happen in the first century.
 
That makes no sense whatsoever.

I think it makes no sense to you because you are conflating everything together. The first paragraph of the OP points out that.

Nah, that's not it. It's really not that hard to grasp. We are given a description of an event and given a timeframe for that event to happen.


"The SAB indicates that, according to the Bible, the end would come within the lifetime of Jesus' listeners. I will demonstrate why this is not the case by explaining the verses they use to conclude this. They mistake the transfiguration, the destruction of Jerusalem, Jesus being at the right hand of power, and John's Revelation at Patmos."

Not even close.


You are taking several prophecies about different events and lumping them all together as one event the Bible never actually says will happen. It was never meant to happen. Jesus was never meant to come to Earth and be a king of a kingdom on earth. He is the prince of God's Kingdom of which the Earth is part of, along with heaven. Jesus was never meant to come again other than his resurrection as seen by his disciples.

The description of the return of Jesus in power and glory includes ''for all the tribes on earth to see and mourn,'' to gather the elect and to judge each man according to their deeds.

Yes. When God decides that he is going to put an end to the temporary arrangement of kingdoms on Earth, i.e. America, Israel, China, etc. destroying them and setting up his own kingdom; God's kingdom replaces all of Satan's kingdoms, where man rules. From then on God's kingdom with Jesus ruling will be all there is.

Ahem. the timeframe for the described event is given. The event is something that all the tribes on earth were to see.

What is described and promised didn't happen. It was not the transfiguration that is described. It is not the destruction of the temple and the eviction of Jews that is described.


Non of the disciples saw that event. None of the 'tribes on earth' saw such an event.

As nothing happend as described, the event did not happen.

Correct. That specific event obviously has not happened.

Yet it was promised to happen within a generation, within the lifetime of those present.
Your rationale doesn't take the key elements of the promised return into account, so it fails.

Again, you're conflating events that either have happened as the Bible said they would, or haven't yet happened as the Bible says they will, with an event that the Bible never says will happen. Jesus said to his followers no one knows but God when Jesus begins his rule, but what has happened are some of the events leading up to that as a part of the end times, which began with Adam's sin and ends with Jesus ruling from heaven over God's kingdom, part of which is Earth.

I do nothing more than quote the verses and point to what is written and what they describe.

That's what I did in the OP.

Then you agree that the promised return of Jesus in power and glory is a failed prophesy.


You ignore the key elements of the description and try to slip in an entirely different event.

[laughs] That's what I think you are doing. It could be that we misunderstand one another, this stuff gets confusing, but I think that it's that you are conflating like I said above. I can go briefly over all of the Bible prophecies needed to show you but I'm not sure you would care and it would be a fair amount of work to put that together. I don't want to do it if no one cares one way or the other. And really, I think the OP should suffice at least to begin to show you what was going on with all of it.

The problem is that when it says in Matthew 16:28 that some standing would see Jesus you take that to mean after Armageddon Jesus here on earth as king? It's more like some of them there saw the transfiguration which was sort of like the US election where the president is selected but not acting as president until January.

Why do you ignore the given description of the event?

''For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds'' - this did not happen as promised.
And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.'' - this did not happen as described.

“Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.''

Has any of this happened?

Obviously not.

Correct. And wasn't expected to happen in the first century.

Yet it clearly was. The first generation of Christians fully expected the event to happen within their lifetime,
 
Yet it clearly was. The first generation of Christians fully expected the event to happen within their lifetime
I don't even think it's that.
The first generation, eye witnesses, didn't believe it. It was later evangelical zealots who invented the stories and claimed that the eyewitness generation believed in it.

That's the thing about religious zealots/grifters. They'll believe anything if it suits them.

Not just religious ideologues either. It's a very human trait.
Tom
 
Yet it clearly was. The first generation of Christians fully expected the event to happen within their lifetime
I don't even think it's that.
The first generation, eye witnesses, didn't believe it. It was later evangelical zealots who invented the stories and claimed that the eyewitness generation believed in it.

That's the thing about religious zealots/grifters. They'll believe anything if it suits them.

Not just religious ideologues either. It's a very human trait.
Tom

I'm just going by what is written in the Bible, Paul's letters, John, etc.
 
A lot of the NT reads like a doomsday cult journal. And 2000 years later, you'll have no trouble finding Christers who swear we're in the generation that will see Jeebus come back. They have no irony, none, about serving this stuff up, millenium after millenium. And think how much sense it would've made in 1350 if you lived in Europe, smack dab in the middle of the Plague times, when about 50% of everybody dropped dead. Or 1914-1945, with a collected death toll from two interminable wars of about 100 million humans. Another hot contender would have to be 2007 (the premiere of Keeping Up with the Kardashians -- goddamn, that smells like end times to me. Sometimes Satan beckons in a halter top.)
 
Nah, that's not it. It's really not that hard to grasp. We are given a description of an event and given a timeframe for that event to happen.

Which event? There are several.

Ahem. the timeframe for the described event is given. The event is something that all the tribes on earth were to see.

What is described and promised didn't happen. It was not the transfiguration that is described. It is not the destruction of the temple and the eviction of Jews that is described.

If you're talking about Matthew 16:28 that has already happened. Read the fucking post, man. The transfiguration and the destruction of the temple isn't the same event. Matthew 23:36 is not the same as Matthew 16:28.

Yet it was promised to happen within a generation, within the lifetime of those present.

What? The return of Jesus? That happened three days after his death. Other than that, there isn't any Biblical support that Jesus would come back literally. Then are you talking about Armageddon? He said over and over again. He didn't know what generation, and anyway have you looked at what that word means? How it is used. And don't tell me you know like you think you know the word god, day, hell, etc. Because you don't have a clue. You have to look at that shit, not just say "OKAY, this means this because this is what I believe it means." The end of times began when Adam and Eve first conceived and it continues till the world is destroyed. That is the generation or the day of the end. End of days. The end. The end of what?

You really can't get the Bible with silly religious nonsense you see Christians and Jews presenting.

Yet it clearly was. The first generation of Christians fully expected the event to happen within their lifetime,

But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Matthew 24:36
 
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Matthew 24:36
That verse is, of course, a very strong argument against Trinitarianism.

But I also wonder about the wisdom of placing oneself under the aegis of a mad god who offers no transparency whatsoever, even to his closest followers and lieutenants. Michael is supposed to lead the armies of heaven in furious battle against Satan and all his minions, and his God won't even tell him whether the invasion of Earth is on Tuesday or Thursday? How's he supposed to plan or win any kind of battle without being "allowed" to see a single battle plan? Who's to say Putin isn't going to wipe the floor with this powerful but ill-coordinated angelic host the second they try to establish beachhead?
 
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