What will be the turning point for some Trump supporters?

[Jimmy Higgins]

I think anyone who thinks that the wall in particular or any other "promises" made by Trump would faze his supporters one bit is deluded. They didn't vote for Trump because of his campaign promises, or because he is an upstanding gentleman who always keeps them (that much was clear during the campaign).

The special prosecutor on Clinton. I think his sheep will be very upset over that not happening. Heck, he said she'd be in jail if he won in a debate! How much they will care, though, impossible to tell. These people aren't operating at the save wavelengths as we are. After all, they reelected the establishment to Congress.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

There is nothing he can do wrong. He even said so and they still voted for him.

 

[Angra Mainyu]

But the demographic itself is not responsible for anything. Some individuals that are in that category are. Similarly, some (or many, perhaps all) individuals in the demographic get hurt.
A problem for taking joy in that is that the hurt part is not sensitive to the responsibility part. In other words, any negative effects resulting from Trump's policies aren't going to discriminate between people responsible for electing Trump, and people who aren't responsible for electing Trump, regardless of what demographic they get classified in.

Why are you responding as if I spoke in absolutes when I said that the only demographic he won outright was largely responsible in his election and that I would take small joy in watching his strongest supporters I'm surrounded by complain when they are still uneducated and unemployed in a year or two?

I'm not responding as if "you spoke in absolutes" (whatever that means).

You said you would take a "small joy" in "that", where "that" is the "demographic that is largely responsible", namely "uneducated whites", getting hurt in a number of ways. If you misspoke, that was your mistake, not mine. But the demographic is neither responsible nor getting hurt. Some individuals are responsible, and some individuals (not the same set) get hurt. While you said "largely", you kept speaking about "the demographic" getting hurt and being responsible, even if not solely responsible.

Moreover, you did not say that you would take joy in "his strongest supporters" getting hurt, nor is it clear that they will (who are his stronger supporters, and how do you know they'll get hurt)?

By the way, many people who voted for him (perhaps most) aren't strong supporters at all. Rather, they just thought he was the lesser evil of the two.

In any event, when you see people getting hurt, you just will not know who was a strong supporter, who voted for him because they thought Clinton was even worse, and who voted against him. I'm not sure how you'll manage to pin down your target.

 

[Artemus]

Why are you responding as if I spoke in absolutes when I said that the only demographic he won outright was largely responsible in his election and that I would take small joy in watching his strongest supporters I'm surrounded by complain when they are still uneducated and unemployed in a year or two?

I'm not responding as if "you spoke in absolutes" (whatever that means).

You said you would take a "small joy" in "that", where "that" is the "demographic that is largely responsible", namely "uneducated whites", getting hurt in a number of ways. If you misspoke, that was your mistake, not mine. But the demographic is neither responsible nor getting hurt. Some individuals are responsible, and some individuals (not the same set) get hurt. While you said "largely", you kept speaking about "the demographic" getting hurt and being responsible, even if not solely responsible.

Moreover, you did not say that you would take joy in "his strongest supporters" getting hurt, nor is it clear that they will (who are his stronger supporters, and how do you know they'll get hurt)?

By the way, many people who voted for him (perhaps most) aren't strong supporters at all. Rather, they just thought he was the lesser evil of the two.

In any event, when you see people getting hurt, you just will not know who was a strong supporter, who voted for him because they thought Clinton was even worse, and who voted against him. I'm not sure how you'll manage to pin down your target.

I'm glad that you can enjoy your strawman of my post.

 

[KeepTalking]

All Trump has to do is continue to send out unhinged Tweets at 3am, putting fat, ugly bitches in their place. He just has to continue to say nasty shit about people he hates, and threaten everyone in the press who publishes anything negative about him with a lawsuit. It will help immensely if he tells a few people they are fired, and we have good video of the event. Wait, scratch that, no new video needed, they can just run a clip from The Apprentice along with a former staffer tucking their tail between their legs as they exit the Lilly White House. In short, he just needs to continue throwing red meat to the reality TV crowd to show that he won't ever be politically correct, and he is a shoe in for 2018. Trump knows this, so what it will come down to is whether he still wants the job 3 years from now.

 

[Elixir]

All Trump has to do is continue to send out unhinged Tweets at 3am, putting fat, ugly bitches in their place. He just has to continue to say nasty shit about people he hates, and threaten everyone in the press who publishes anything negative about him with a lawsuit. It will help immensely if he tells a few people they are fired, and we have good video of the event. Wait, scratch that, no new video needed, they can just run a clip from The Apprentice along with a former staffer tucking their tail between their legs as they exit the Lilly White House. In short, he just needs to continue throwing red meat to the reality TV crowd to show that he won't ever be politically correct, and he is a shoe in for 2018. Trump knows this, so what it will come down to is whether he still wants the job 3 years from now.

Good chance that by then he'll be blaming his kids for eviscerating his brand (gotta blame SOMEONE - anyone but himself), and claim he is needed back at the office...

 

[braces_for_impact]

A lot of people knew George W was a disaster from the start. But many who didn't closely follow politics thought he was ok for a long time. One person I went to see Fahrenheit 911 with thought the film was borderline treasonous, but now knows it was pretty accurate on a lot of stuff. I think for many the moment their eyes were opened was the Katrina disaster.

I think a lot more people see Trump for what he is, but for those that don't, or the 'give him a chance' crowd, what do you think will happen to make them realize he was a major mistake?

No wall.

Then they will justify that with 'it will be an electronic wall'. But when even that doesn't happen, their feelings will be hurt.

Then when 11 million people are not deported. They will feel betrayed.

Yes, but unfortunately they'll take out their anger on those minorities, not on their cheeto Jesus.

 

[Malintent]

Trump has 4 years to complete a coast-to-coast wall and deport several million people. Can he do it? I doubt it. this is a main reason why he will not win a second term. I remain hopeful the amount of damage that he can do is very limited... for example, only time to insert one Supreme, and not two.

 

[marc]

I do think about 25-30% of people will never find fault with him. That is about the range that still think W was a great leader.

Not delivering on campaign promises, I'm sure a larger percentage will somehow blame it on liberals. When I pointed out to my anti-abortion relative that the republicans had control of both sides of congress, the white house, and supreme court under Bush, and did nothing on the issue, she rationalized that there must have been something in congress preventing them from doing it.

I'm thinking it might have to be some disaster that happens, with a complete lack of effective response to it that might be the real tipping point.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Trump is already backpeddling at full speed. He's already gone back on the wall, on locking Hillary up, and he's even said he wants to keep some of Obamacare. He may just transform into more of the same, which would be a pity, and we are sort of counting on him to be a disaster to give more impetus to reform the Democratic party.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Trump is already backpeddling at full speed. He's already gone back on the wall, on locking Hillary up, and he's even said he wants to keep some of Obamacare. He may just transform into more of the same, which would be a pity, and we are sort of counting on him to be a disaster to give more impetus to reform the Democratic party.

It's the Obamacare thing that I find the weirdest. He wants to keep the most expensive parts of Obamacare which drive the prices of insurance up but then ... get rid of the pieces which offset those costs? While I'm pretty sure that the first time he actually took the time to look into what Obamacare actually consisted of was last Wednesday, I'm really not sure how he's planning on reconciling his goals with reality at this point.

 

[Elixir]

Trump is already backpeddling at full speed. He's already gone back on the wall, on locking Hillary up, and he's even said he wants to keep some of Obamacare. He may just transform into more of the same, which would be a pity, and we are sort of counting on him to be a disaster to give more impetus to reform the Democratic party.

It's the Obamacare thing that I find the weirdest. He wants to keep the most expensive parts of Obamacare which drive the prices of insurance up but then ... get rid of the pieces which offset those costs? While I'm pretty sure that the first time he actually took the time to look into what Obamacare actually consisted of was last Wednesday, I'm really not sure how he's planning on reconciling his goals with reality at this point.

Reality has never been an obstacle for him up to this point. Why should he start considering it now?

 

[Angra Mainyu]

I'm not responding as if "you spoke in absolutes" (whatever that means).

You said you would take a "small joy" in "that", where "that" is the "demographic that is largely responsible", namely "uneducated whites", getting hurt in a number of ways. If you misspoke, that was your mistake, not mine. But the demographic is neither responsible nor getting hurt. Some individuals are responsible, and some individuals (not the same set) get hurt. While you said "largely", you kept speaking about "the demographic" getting hurt and being responsible, even if not solely responsible.

Moreover, you did not say that you would take joy in "his strongest supporters" getting hurt, nor is it clear that they will (who are his stronger supporters, and how do you know they'll get hurt)?

By the way, many people who voted for him (perhaps most) aren't strong supporters at all. Rather, they just thought he was the lesser evil of the two.

In any event, when you see people getting hurt, you just will not know who was a strong supporter, who voted for him because they thought Clinton was even worse, and who voted against him. I'm not sure how you'll manage to pin down your target.

I'm glad that you can enjoy your strawman of my post.

I'm not enjoying this conversation, and I did not post any strawman. I'm not glad that despite the fact that I was civil while correcting your mistake, your reply was a misrepresentation of the exchange - which is on record -, and now you attribute to me mental states that I don't have - not even close -, in addition to actions I did not do. In other words, business as usual when engaging with nearly all humans on the internet, as long as one corrects a mistake based on their ideology/religion.

 

[whichphilosophy]

A lot of people knew George W was a disaster from the start. But many who didn't closely follow politics thought he was ok for a long time. One person I went to see Fahrenheit 911 with thought the film was borderline treasonous, but now knows it was pretty accurate on a lot of stuff. I think for many the moment their eyes were opened was the Katrina disaster.

I think a lot more people see Trump for what he is, but for those that don't, or the 'give him a chance' crowd, what do you think will happen to make them realize he was a major mistake?

The only way to tell if it was a mistake is to see what happens in the next few months.
He won the election under the US system of democracy.
Should we have elections followed by coups?
If he is impeached or something like that then things should change.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

It's the Obamacare thing that I find the weirdest. He wants to keep the most expensive parts of Obamacare which drive the prices of insurance up but then ... get rid of the pieces which offset those costs? While I'm pretty sure that the first time he actually took the time to look into what Obamacare actually consisted of was last Wednesday, I'm really not sure how he's planning on reconciling his goals with reality at this point.

Reality has never been an obstacle for him up to this point. Why should he start considering it now?

Because there's a large difference between complaining about policy from the sidelines and actually implementing a policy. The latter requires at least a wink and a nod towards reality.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Trump is already backpeddling at full speed. He's already gone back on the wall, on locking Hillary up, and he's even said he wants to keep some of Obamacare. He may just transform into more of the same, which would be a pity, and we are sort of counting on him to be a disaster to give more impetus to reform the Democratic party.

It's the Obamacare thing that I find the weirdest. He wants to keep the most expensive parts of Obamacare which drive the prices of insurance up but then ... get rid of the pieces which offset those costs? While I'm pretty sure that the first time he actually took the time to look into what Obamacare actually consisted of was last Wednesday, I'm really not sure how he's planning on reconciling his goals with reality at this point.

I think the detailed plan for Obama Care hasn't been finalized yet, so some things may change. The idea is sound but the financial cost is high. Indications are that the Democrats and Republicans will work together on this.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

It's the Obamacare thing that I find the weirdest. He wants to keep the most expensive parts of Obamacare which drive the prices of insurance up but then ... get rid of the pieces which offset those costs? While I'm pretty sure that the first time he actually took the time to look into what Obamacare actually consisted of was last Wednesday, I'm really not sure how he's planning on reconciling his goals with reality at this point.

I think the detailed plan for Obama Care hasn't been finalized yet, so some things may change. The idea is sound but the financial cost is high. Indications are that the Democrats and Republicans will work together on this.

Where are you getting your indications from? The Dems are pissed off and looking for blood. Anyone who compromises is going to find themselves primaried and out of a job.

 

[laughing dog]

A lot of people knew George W was a disaster from the start. But many who didn't closely follow politics thought he was ok for a long time. One person I went to see Fahrenheit 911 with thought the film was borderline treasonous, but now knows it was pretty accurate on a lot of stuff. I think for many the moment their eyes were opened was the Katrina disaster.

I think a lot more people see Trump for what he is, but for those that don't, or the 'give him a chance' crowd, what do you think will happen to make them realize he was a major mistake?

When Trump names Hillary Clinton to the Supreme Court.

 

[funinspace]

I think a lot more people see Trump for what he is, but for those that don't, or the 'give him a chance' crowd, what do you think will happen to make them realize he was a major mistake?

When his sex tapes with Ivanka come out; along with them clearly snorting coke in the vid...

 

[jonatha]

When Trump names Hillary Clinton to the Supreme Court.

That might actually lighten my mood