White Fragility author Robin DiAngelo was paid 70 percent more than a black woman for the same job

[Loren Pechtel]

Those with names associated with a lack of education are considered inferior workers. Just because something falls along racial lines doesn't automatically make it racist.

No matter how you try to dress it up, it is a textbook example of bigotry/racism. It is not surprising to me that you defend it. But with every response you prove my point that you will say anything to hand wave social science research that suggests or shows bigotry/racism.

I do not deny that it is discrimination. I'm just not willing to accept it's based on race when there's a far more obvious cause in sight.

So, how do we fix it?

What I've already suggested: Anonymized job applications.

 

[Jarhyn]

So, how do we fix it?

What I've already suggested: Anonymized job applications.

Which is usually a good thing to lead with.

 

[Emily Lake]

Of course I haven't provided a high-education black name--I'm not aware of any.

I... wow. Just wow, dude.

 

[laughing dog]

Of course I haven't provided a high-education black name--I'm not aware of any.

Yet you brought that up as an issue. So that is another example of you saying anything to dismiss the results of social science that contradicts your religious beliefs.

We have the study that used average-education names and found the supposed "racial" discrimination went away. You still haven't address that.

You mean the study that used last names like Washington and Jefferson as black sounding names? I dismissed it as ridiculous as did Emily Lake.
Not only is it evidence you will grasp at any straw to justify your religious beliefs, it illustrates your double standard on uncritically accepting the result of social science research that is consistent with your religious beliefs while rejecting results that contradict them.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Of course I haven't provided a high-education black name--I'm not aware of any.

Yet you brought that up as an issue. So that is another example of you saying anything to dismiss the results of social science that contradicts your religious beliefs.

We have the study that used average-education names and found the supposed "racial" discrimination went away. You still haven't address that.

You mean the study that used last names like Washington and Jefferson as black sounding names? I dismissed it as ridiculous as did Emily Lake.
Not only is it evidence you will grasp at any straw to justify your religious beliefs, it illustrates your double standard on uncritically accepting the result of social science research that is consistent with your religious beliefs while rejecting results that contradict them.

What would you suggest for black-sounding names that aren't associated with low education?

 

[laughing dog]

Yet you brought that up as an issue. So that is another example of you saying anything to dismiss the results of social science that contradicts your religious beliefs.
You mean the study that used last names like Washington and Jefferson as black sounding names? I dismissed it as ridiculous as did Emily Lake.
Not only is it evidence you will grasp at any straw to justify your religious beliefs, it illustrates your double standard on uncritically accepting the result of social science research that is consistent with your religious beliefs while rejecting results that contradict them.

What would you suggest for black-sounding names that aren't associated with low education?

I have no idea because I think the entire idea of _____ (you pick the ethnicity) name associated with low education is ridiculous.

 

[Jarhyn]

Yet you brought that up as an issue. So that is another example of you saying anything to dismiss the results of social science that contradicts your religious beliefs.
You mean the study that used last names like Washington and Jefferson as black sounding names? I dismissed it as ridiculous as did Emily Lake.
Not only is it evidence you will grasp at any straw to justify your religious beliefs, it illustrates your double standard on uncritically accepting the result of social science research that is consistent with your religious beliefs while rejecting results that contradict them.

What would you suggest for black-sounding names that aren't associated with low education?

I have no idea because I think the entire idea of _____ (you pick the ethnicity) name associated with low education is ridiculous.

So, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that racists who associate (insert name form here) are bigots who need to have their proverbial eyes plucked out, as jason accepts should happen.

I don't think you're going to get an admission of racism out of him, but his proposed solution, that it took him to page 39 to state (I haven't noticed it earlier here, maybe someone can shame me with a link to it? I can't be arsed to dig!), works regardless of whether people are racist or just "nameist".

 

[laughing dog]

I have no idea because I think the entire idea of _____ (you pick the ethnicity) name associated with low education is ridiculous.

So, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that racists who associate (insert name form here) are bigots who need to have their proverbial eyes plucked out, as jason accepts should happen.

I don't think you're going to get an admission of racism out of him, but his proposed solution, that it took him to page 39 to state (I haven't noticed it earlier here, maybe someone can shame me with a link to it? I can't be arsed to dig!), works regardless of whether people are racist or just "nameist".

I am just pointing out that he will say anything to support his views even when it contradicts his stated principles.

 

[Jarhyn]

I have no idea because I think the entire idea of _____ (you pick the ethnicity) name associated with low education is ridiculous.

So, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that racists who associate (insert name form here) are bigots who need to have their proverbial eyes plucked out, as jason accepts should happen.

I don't think you're going to get an admission of racism out of him, but his proposed solution, that it took him to page 39 to state (I haven't noticed it earlier here, maybe someone can shame me with a link to it? I can't be arsed to dig!), works regardless of whether people are racist or just "nameist".

My bad. Loren. As loren... Man, I'm skipping...

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yet you brought that up as an issue. So that is another example of you saying anything to dismiss the results of social science that contradicts your religious beliefs.
You mean the study that used last names like Washington and Jefferson as black sounding names? I dismissed it as ridiculous as did Emily Lake.
Not only is it evidence you will grasp at any straw to justify your religious beliefs, it illustrates your double standard on uncritically accepting the result of social science research that is consistent with your religious beliefs while rejecting results that contradict them.

What would you suggest for black-sounding names that aren't associated with low education?

I have no idea because I think the entire idea of _____ (you pick the ethnicity) name associated with low education is ridiculous.

Calling it ridiculous doesn't make it not true. The blackest (as in % of people who have it being black) names have on average 4 years less education than the whitest names.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I have no idea because I think the entire idea of _____ (you pick the ethnicity) name associated with low education is ridiculous.

So, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that racists who associate (insert name form here) are bigots who need to have their proverbial eyes plucked out, as jason accepts should happen.

I don't think you're going to get an admission of racism out of him, but his proposed solution, that it took him to page 39 to state (I haven't noticed it earlier here, maybe someone can shame me with a link to it? I can't be arsed to dig!), works regardless of whether people are racist or just "nameist".

I don't think I've proposed in before in this thread, but I have proposed it several times in other discrimination discussions.